Variations in Anatomy - anyone know about this?


#81

Fascinating topic, and one that I’ve been studying for some decades. (As an artist with some scientific training and interest, not as a scientist.)

I’m assuming that by “human variation,” John Keates means normal variation. Not deformity, but something along the lines of “why do some people have blond hair, when most don’t? Why do some have epicanthal folds? Why do some noses have high bridges and others have low ones?” and things of that nature. I apologize if I’ve misunderstood. I confess that I haven’t read all the posts.

It’s my contention that people know a lot more at an unconscious, emotional level than they do at a cognitive level. That’s why we have visceral, emotional reactions to things, but can’t articulate quite why it’s striking us like that.

As artists, it’s our job to manipulate emotional reactions; to get people to feel what we want them to feel when they look at our work. The more we understand about those things that most of us know only unconsciously, the more we can use those things in our pictures, and the better we are at our job.

So it pays to know as much as possible about why things are the way they are. I believe that’s as true for why humans look the way they do as for anything else.

It’s not so important when we’re using live models or doing portraits. We can just look at the person in front of us, and the only things we have to decide are what features to emphasize, and which to downplay (as previously mentioned.)

But when we start to design people, especially non-human people, to fit into their environments (or not, as the case may be,) then it is, I believe, vitally important to know what combination of attributes will do that.

And not just human attributes. We can incorporate non-human variables, too; but only if we understand them.

For instance, it has been discovered that there are clusters of attributes that show up together, for whatever reason. (I’m not a geneticist, so I’m not going to talk about genes and alleles.) But, for some reason, when animals are bred for docility, they also come out with short legs, short round snouts, droopy ears, soft hair, curly tails, and piebald coats. (Research from the 40+ year Belyaev Silver Fox experiment.)

We can use this.

If you want a figure to look docile, friendly, and non-threatening, give him short arms and legs, a short face, bulbous nose, soft hair, and round, floppy ears. On the other hand, if you want him to look wild, and a little dangerous, give him long limbs, a long face, stiff hair, and sharply pointed ears. Freckles for the funny guy or hair that’s darker on the top and lighter on the bottom for the wild fellow can underline the effect.

Human variations are based on several factors; genes, environment, and the way that the person habitually holds their face and body.

The habitual stuff can be a product of the environment, for example, the “seaman’s squint” (holding the lower eyelids partially closed to protect the eyes from reflected glare off the water.) Or it can be learned behavior, for instance the way the British Aristocracy habitually hold their chins and eyebrows higher than average, which gives them a very distinctive “look.” Or it can be the result of their normal emotional state, for instance, someone who seems to be always scowling, or looking worried. All of these leave marks on the face, over the course of years, and are what gives an older face its “character.”

We have learned that, at a genetic level, there’s no such thing as “race.” And yet, most people from central Africa have quite dark skin, and people from China have epicanthal folds. This isn’t because they are closely related; they aren’t. It’s because the environment left its stamp on the people living in it, over the course of many generations.

Skin color is a response to ultraviolet radiation. Where there’s a lot, the skin has a lot of melanin, to protect the deeper tissues from damage. Where there is little, skin has lost its melanin, so that enough can penetrate to allow the formation of precursor vitamin D3. (Research from Jablonski and Chaplin, 2000.)

The epicanthal fold allows an extra layer of fat to surround the eyeball, protecting it in areas where the temperature becomes extreme, like the interior of China. In fact, there is an extra subcutaneous fat layer all over the body in Chinese people, because of the extreme cold of the winters in the interior. This is why their muscle definition is softer, and their surface veins not as prominent, as, say, people from Africa (where cold isn’t a problem.)

If anyone is interested, I can give many more examples; but this post is already quite long. The important thing is that we can use these facts to tell the story in our paintings and animations.

If you have two picutres of humanoid people in a forest, and one is very pale, while the other is deeply pigmented, the people looking at the picture will get the impression that the first is in a Northern forest, while the second is in a hot, tropical setting. This will happen even if the trees aren’t at all like trees on Earth, and the heavily pigmented individual is purple or green. The second will just “feel” hotter than the first.

You can make this even clearer by putting small leaves on the trees in the first picture, and large leaves on the plants in the second, because these variations are as true for plants as for animals.

So, ummmm, can we please stop arguing about what variations are esthetically pleasing, and talk about where the variations come from? :slight_smile:


#82

Robin Wood:

Very interesting observations. Thanks for sharing. If you have more examples of how environment influences physionomy, I’d be deeply interested.

One observation that I’ve made on people’s facial symmetry (I have seen the left brained-right brained theory argued on this site, but it makes sense to me):

You can usually tell if a person is predominantly right-brained or left-brained by looking for one side of the face that is more gracious.
For example, I’ve always been more intuitive than logical (right brained). The left side of my face is more elegant: smile longer on that side, not as many marks left by stress…

I might be wrong, but it’s an interesting thing to look at…


#83

nothing to add yet, just say this topic is very interesting and i suscribe it to not lose this one, continue sharing :slight_smile:


#84

I have seen a documentary about people with paralysis on one side of the brain. These people developed deformity on the opposite side of the body over time. It does make sense in this case.

However, for people with healthy brains may have other factors that come in to play. For example, perhaps you sleep on only one side that resulted in your left side of the face to become “elegant”. I don’t know.

Many far east Asians have heads that are flat on the back. I’ve seen mothers who placed baby on their stomachs so the back of the head do not flattern as they sleep.

As for the comment about Asian women’s eyes appearing large due to plastic surgery to open the lid is a gross generalization. I don’t deny the fact that there is a growing trend with plastic surgery in Asian countries which I think is unfortunate. Leaving those who’ve had plastic surgeries aside, some Asians have epicanthic folds that are more pronounced than others, some don’t. The eyes appear to be smaller or larger based on how these folds are shaped around the eyes, how wide or high. Perhaps some environmental factor did play a role tens of thousands of years ago, but I believe these traits are hereditary. The eye balls or the iris are not smaller than any other race.


#85

Very interesting discussion! I just want to share my take on the subject:

I think when it comes to heads or any constructions, be it hand made or organic, “the smaller the detail the bigger the difference”. If you have two brick blocks and you look at them from 100 meters, you’re not gonna be able to tell the difference… if you look at them up close they’re gonna look way different. Same for people, or heads etc.

Think of it as pixels on screen, a box with slightly jagged edges drawn in 1000x1000 pixel image is gonna look perfect if resized to 10x10 image.

When I start sketching a character I don’t go out and render a head in full detail, in most cases a blob of paint will do just fine - For me the blob serves as average human head, it can become a cartoon head, realistic head, you name it.

When I’ve chosen which direction to go into: realistic, stylistic, cartoony, stickman. I take the next set of features that are fitting. For realistic humans I’ve studied few general base models and on top of that there is a huuuge library of features that I have memorized by looking at real people, films, games and then comparing that to the generic models, how much do I have to move stuff… Exactly what displacement mapping does in rendering, you have the “base mesh” and then the lesser details on top of that.

Don’t know how to explain it better… hope this example helps to illustrate what I’m talking:


#86

Hey Robin Wood,

Thanks for getting this thread back up and running. Your insights are very interesting and I will put what I can onto the front post. I would very much like to read more.

I am including ‘abnormal’ variations as well just because they are interesting but I would like to concentrate on ‘normal’ variations mostly. I just hope that my categorisation scheme works (should the seaman’s squint go in ‘eyes’ or ‘effect of posture’?). I may start to build a section into my website with all this stuff so it can by hyperlinked and better categorised.

Thanks also to everyone else who has contributed.


#87

Hi everybody,
really interesting thread, and opinions.
I’d like to share my views.
A good read is a book called “the artist as an anthropologist
this was a recent link I found.

As for the right and left brain hemispheres, they in turn control the opposite part of our face: the right facial side represents our fathers inheritance and the conscious image we want to project to society, whereas the left facial side corresponds to our mothers inheritance and reveals our more inner emotional responses. No face is exactly symmetrical.

Try using a head on portrait pic of yours, and in photoshop, select the one half of the face, duplicate and flop it (on the X axis). Do the same with the other half.
These are called Chimerical Composites.
Now you will be viewing the right sides together and the left ones together. Look how different they appear.
What is the reason for this bilateral asymmetry? Genetic variation
Evolutionary theorists suggest that a high degree of symmetry may be an indication of particularly good genes, and perhaps resistance to the sorts of disease that can cause asymmetrical development.

The more symmetrical the facial expressions the more honest, any emotion displayed is likely to be.
The more asymmetrical the more likely it is that the feeling is being forced or faked.Habitual differences in the two sides of our facial expression can show up underlying contradictions in our personality.

As for the question of why one has a high nose convexity and why another person a concave one and so forth:
Cells are devoted to specific functions; and the capacity of each personality trait is indicated by the number of cells devoted to it.
We function according to how we have been constructed Each feature has a correlation to physical, and emotional attributes.
Our face is our DNA blueprint.
This is a long subject and I don’t want to tire you with too much info straight away:)
So, for now I’ll just suggest a few good books for reference:
An old out of print but recently reprinted one, is in French;
Author: Dr Louis Corman
Title:nouveau manuel de morpho-psychologie
Publisher: PUF
A Scotish author, Gerald EltonFosbroke, the book published by Tynron press called “Character Reading through the Features”.
And “Reading Faces” by Leslie A. Zebrowitz of Brandeis University.


#88

Hi evanfotis,

Thanks for the info there. That book looks interesting but personally I would treat it more as a sign of how people used to think rather than how we should think now.

The victorians had some funny ideas about faces and what it is possible to tell from them which are now discredited. There were people who made a lot of money from basically just making stuff up. This was partly as a result of the increasing numbers of middle classes and the fact that people had a greater need to quickly judge who they were talking to. There was a lot of money to be made by physiognimcal “experts”.

Later on (in the 20th century) One of the most well known of these “experts” decided to do a study of the most commenly believed trait and one that was very important, that of the criminal. It had long been supposed that there were common facial traits in criminals and there were a lot of swindlers at the time so everyone wanted to know who they could trust (or not).

The guy (sorry, can’t remember his name) took photos of prison inmates and merged them together to see what he got. He found that the result was a normal and quite hansome guy.

We now know that the kinds of biological trait that might be more common in criminals (masculinity, the ability to keep calm, the ability to focus on the task at hand without thinking too much etc), are also exactly what firemen and policemen need to do their jobs. So the mere notion of criminality as a biological trait is bogus, whilst it still remains possible to talk about traits that could UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES increase the likelyhood of criminal behaviour.

I guess that the faces of the criminals in the study were more hansome as a result of the fact that they have more testosterone, which would give just the traits needed to be a criminal or policeman, and would result in a large jaw and brow (and penis)… oh, and increased likelyhood of homosexuality.

So nowerdays if we want to make links between physiognomics and behaviour we have to throw away not only a lot of our notions of facial types, but of behaviour also.

Study of this subject will always be taboo, but I think it is better for us artists to carefully inform ourselves about the latest research rather than rely upon old ideas. I just hope that political correctness doesn’t get in the way of the research.

I would suggest also that we try to understand as much as possible about the causes behind behaviours whether they biological or cultural, and then try to extrapolate from there what visual characteristics may result.


#89

I kinda had a thought about my last post just there. I came to thinking that maybe many artists have a certain ability to percieve character which stems from the same source as our artistic ability.

Maybe I put too much emphesis on science as the only way forward…

Of course we have to temper our ambition with a sense of probability/humility (eg, we shouldn’t get too ahead of ourselves)… or something… see what I mean?


#90

Are you refering to Lombrozo, who was involved with phrenology?

So the mere notion of criminality as a biological trait is bogus, whilst it still remains possible to talk about traits that could UNDER THE RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES increase the likelyhood of criminal behaviour.

As you say yourself, if the traits are there, they might be inflicted by certain circumstances which will wake them up and express them in the behaviour. However if one does not have these traits they will never appear, even if crcumstances push towards that direction.

I guess that the faces of the criminals in the study were more hansome as a result of the fact that they have more testosterone, which would give just the traits needed to be a criminal or policeman, and would result in a large jaw and brow (and penis)… oh, and increased likelyhood of homosexuality.

The last book I refer to, “Reading Faces” by Leslie A. Zebrowitz, has two chapters, one on attractiveness and the baby face effect.
You have to distinguish various things that apparently you mix together .
Testosterone, will be a factor in agression and sexuality, but is not related with balance and symmetry that give the good looks.

As for simillar features of criminals and “good guys”, we have to understand that the most dangerous criminals, have brilliant minds, creative calculative, etc.
The area where they differ, has to do with ethical barriers.
And as the saying goes, if you give directions to someone in order to get somewhere, and he follows them but in one turn he makes a mistake, he will end up in a very different place.
That is why there is the distinction between the term logic, and rational or orthologic.

So nowerdays if we want to make links between physiognomics and behaviour we have to throw away not only a lot of our notions of facial types, but of behaviour also.

Recent scientific research, shows that we have genes that are responsible for physical traits and genes responsible for psychological traits.
I appreciate your sceptisism but you have to look a bit deeper into this field and then come up with a conclusion.

Study of this subject will always be taboo, but I think it is better for us artists to carefully inform ourselves about the latest research rather than rely upon old ideas. I just hope that political correctness doesn’t get in the way of the research.

The politically correct stereotyped notion that all of us humans are created equal, that everybody is the same, and that only enviromental influences make up our unique individuality, has serious flaws.
Reality lies somewhere in between.
We are born with certain traits, which depending on the enviroment AND our make up (whether we are affected easily or not by enviromental influences) form our character.
It is upon us to cultivate our merits and control our flaws.

I would suggest also that we try to understand as much as possible about the causes behind behaviours whether they biological or cultural, and then try to extrapolate from there what visual characteristics may result.

Evolutionary, humans have adapted to their enviroment.
People from the north where it is cold, have languages with more consonates,and people who live in hot climates are more extrovert, with mre vowels in the language.
As I metioned in my previous post, we function according to how we have been constructed, and that is a result of where we have evolved.

To take this topic back to the artists point of view, I think it is interesting to consider the various “rules” and principles artists endeavoured to apply along the years about beauty and correct form.
Here are a few:
Rule of 3rds
The ancient Greeks developed the notion of the Golden Mean.
This dictates that the face is split horizontally into three equal sections: in a beautiful face, the brow should be one-third of the way down from the hairline, and the mouth one-third of the way up from the chin. Overall, the face should be two-thirds the width of its height.
Divine Proportion
The proportions were expressed as a mathematical formula that divided the perfect face into a ratio of 1:1.618, where the ratio between the smallest parts to the larger is the same as the ratio between the larger part and the whole face.
The ‘Golden Section’ could be applied to the beauty of anything in nature or in art — for example, it was used to evaluate the beauty of a landscape as well as a face.
Rule of 7ths
There was a principle whereby the whole world conformed to analysis into sevenths.
Botticelli’s Venus fits into sevenths: the hair comprised the top seventh, the forehead the next two sevenths, and the nose a further two sevenths. Another seventh was taken up by the space between nose and mouth, and from there to the chin occupied the final seventh.


#91

Humans are visual animals.Within the 4 first seconds when we see someone, we subconsciously decide whether we like him or not. We are all transmitters and receivers of the visual information our faces carry.
Women, have evolutionary evolved this ability to discern visually the mood due to their task of having to understand how their babies felt, if they where ok or not.
Certainly artists who are more perceptive and observant, have this ability more developed, than an accountant for example…

And another interesting finding is that we perceive others faces as caricatures.
We seem to be able to read more from these exaggerated drawings than the tracings that reproduce the features accurately. The exaggerated lines trigger recognition better than literal sketches…
We encode the appearance and keep the highlights within our brain…


#92

I guess that the faces of the criminals in the study were more hansome as a result of the fact that they have more testosterone

No, the reason is that we are always much more likely to perceive any group of faces averaged together to be more attractive than any one single face. As long as the selection contains enough faces - you’ll start to see the effect at 2, it will quickly become more pronounced up to a handful, then gradually level off.
This effect works for both sexes, I’ve tried it in Photoshop (though using a morphing app would be better). You can try it yourself, that book of 1000 faces from the streets of New York, for instance, would be perfect source material for such experiments I suspect. (obviously don’t mix men with women, kids with seniors, etc.) There are websites about it too, but I can’t find them atm.


#93

You seem to have gotten me wrong there. I am in no way saying that our behaviour and looks are not controled by genes in any way… in fact that should have been quite clear by my post. I was just illustrating that Victorian notions of how this works are faulty and we have to more-or-less start again without the assumptions that we all have and are brought up with.

You seem to be working with the idea that a gene can only have one effect and this can either be for looks or behaviour. If this is the case then it is you who need to look deeper into the field.

 Stahlberg,

In fact, the guy doing that study (sorry evanfotis, I don’t know his name) originally did the same thing with “normal” people outside of prison and the comparison was between the two averaged faces, not between an averaged on and a non-averaged one. Sorry, I should have made that clear.

Also, you seem to be hugging on to the notion that there is AN ideal face. I don’t contest that an averaged face may be deemed more attractive than an individual photo but a simplistic enterpretation of the result is mis-leading.

For instance, women on heat find masculine men more attractive but when they are not on heat they prefer more feminine looking men. This is intirely consistant with gene theory but inconsistant with the idea that there is a single ideal.

 Now, I could try to explain the gene theory to you but that is a whole other subject and takes us away from art somewhat.

The bottom line is that there is more than one way to be attractive and looking for a singular ideal of beauty doen’t stand up to reason particularly when viewed in scientific terms.

There are lots of reasons why averaged faces will tend to look more attractive. The symmetry thing is a compelling idea and certainly we can say that symmetry is a facter in attractiveness. Averaged faces will tend towards symmetry. Blemishes will tend to get faded out (it is easy to see why un-usual marks on skin might be un-attractive as they are associated with desiese). Also, any harsh marks will tend to get ironed out.

In other words, there are different ways that the faces could be averaged. It always struck me that the simple averaging of photos is a very crude way to go. Actually, those montaged photos have a dreamy sfumato look that Leonardos stuff often had. Maybe this works by giving an “evening time” look to the face which could be more sexy? It is equivelent to photographing someone in soft warm lighting rather than cold harsh lighting. The beauty effect is perhaps as much to do with the style of depiction than the face itself? Again, I am not denying the use of gene theory when considering beauty, just that we need to be carefull.

A more mathematically accurate way to average the faces would take into account the number of moles and where they are (for example) so the resulting average face may have some moles (unless the average number is only a fraction of 1 ). Moles are generally deemed un-attractive but some people like them.

So again, in short, I am all for finding genetic (as well as cultural) reasons which shold be factored into our understanding of human beauty but I am just saying that we need to be carefull about coming to any quick conclusions as it is a tricky subject.

For example, a lot of people who think they know about evolution don’t realise that it is GENES that are subject to natural selection and not individuals or groups. Once you grasp this and its implications then you start to get a better picture of what genetic variation means.

 I recommend "The Selfish Gene" as a starter although it takes some effort to get through it.

#94

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