I’d make this post a sticky for every single forum of cgtalk.com, i couldn’t have said it better, well done Raffaele.
Very well said and hopefully this will make users think/research before they post. I copied the oringinal answer to the deleted thread and posted it on XSI Base’s -Animation -FAQ
Wise words, the_jaco, thanks.
The key to a great deal of understanding, is learning how to learn. Get those right, and you’ll set yourself good for whatever task you put your mind too.
Brilliant, simply brilliant The_JacO. I agree, this should be a sticky on every cgtalk forum As a newbie on certain aspects of 3d, its has also opened my eyes :eek:
It is realy nice to hear your insight Jaco, I too feel the same about people being spoon fed information without any effort put into searching. I know that i ask alot of questions on Cg talk and in the Cgtalk chat room on irc. but generaly ive made an effort to lookinto the problem before hand. sometimes i post the Q and look for a solution at the same time, Cgtalk is a resource. when you have real people with knowledge, ask.
My friends and I often get asked quesions that could be found by simple trial and error. or even in the first page of the tutorial manual. my first few months in training i willingly help most ppl, but now i 100% realize that what you say is true and ask them if they looked for it before asking me.
ps Yes this should be globaly posted on cgtalk !
I’ve made it a sticky in the Cinema4D forum, i hope it’ll help people to find their way in the 3D world.
I am making this a sticky.
A little follow up that seemed to be necessary in another forum’s spawn of this thread:
the post was NOT intended to prevent people from asking simple questions, less then less wanted to promote any form of elitarism.
all questions are legit someone said, and I agree to the extent that implies that BEFORE asking the question you already spent some efforts on doing your best to figure it out.
if the manual was lacking, if you feel uncertain about parts of it, if you wonder the practical applications of something, or if you just want to share your newly found out knowledge, in the hope that someone more seasoned will also fill in the blanks, by all means do so; but only after you spent a little of your time on the issue please.
this is NOT something you do to spare people’s bandwidth or time, this is something you have to do FOR YOURSELF in first place.
the inciting to focus and find the willpower to study was the hinge of my post, and not some sick for of elitarism.
/me steps off the soapbox for good
great comments Jaco!
this is a great one! … if possible spread it around as stickys to all the other forums here :applause:
Fantastic post Jaco!
I would also suggest that people take a look at this page too:
While it is not directed 100% at CG artists it does contain a lot of important information that only helps support what Jaco has posted.
Awesome post, I tottaly agree with you and you can count on my support for that, CGTalk is not a “F1” key and people should know that, but it seems that a good part of them don’t realise that at all, and this is very sad because it shows the type of people that are entering the industry.
I’m glad that you put that out because I have the same feeling, even tho I’m far from being a XSI master I do master others applications and I feel the same thing in other foruns here as well, in fact I feel this type of behavior in every single forum that I go.
Knowledge must be exchanged when possible, and not just leeched like I’ve being seen lately, and a “thanks” reply is always welcome.
Anyway you rock, and you got my vote for president in the next elections
Great post Raffaele.
I guess I won’t post my “how do I move my cube around” post then
One thing I’ve never liked is elitism, or peopel looking down on others when it comes to learning. I saw this years ago, long before net forums became popular, on the Lightwave, and Softimage mailing lists, it bugged me to no end.
If a post is basic, the ignore it, but if not, then help, dead simple.
I hope it wasn’t my last idiotic question that inspired this post, but if it was, well a least it was good for something.
hi guys…i’ve tryed to make a sphere in XSI and i went to get>primitive>cube and…surprise!!! i get a cube…come on man…where is my sphere?!
next…i’ve tryed to make a grid 20x20 polys and i followed a very simple workflow that i came up with…i’ve made a cube, delete the polygons leaving just 1 face, duplicated the box 400 times, arange them manualy and merge the points and voila…here is my grid:)
why are you looking like this as my post…have i done something wrong?! what?!
just kiddin’ but i was trying to complicate myself A LOT and a very smart guy told me that the best way to achieve something in CG is to go straight to the first and simplest aproach that comes in mind.
i think that anyone should work their brains out to achive something but…how about my sphere…and my grid…
Wow dude, thx for the tip. I honestly never thought of problems in that way. From now on I’ll work through my problems further
good luck to you man and to all!!!
now…let’s go to work!
I agree with all comments.
After all, we all are in the learning evolution of 3d. :shrug:
I am not going to repeat what it has been said but, one thing is for sure.
“research” is what will make you better. You might not always find the answers but
it will lead you to ask a very good question.
That’s what I preach and that is what I do.
We have a great community here at CGTALK.
basically… a gold mine of resources.
Sometimes by reading some of the forums you don’t even have
to ask because it has been answered.
and finally “THE INTERNET”
The great internet is vast and offers lots of
tutorials for free, yes, free…this leads you back to my first line: research.
Let’s all use our grey matter for a change.
…now, how do I start Windows again?
my 2 cents.
Even though I agree with the Idea of limiting the amount of ‘dumb quesiton’ chat on a forum like this… it also smacks too often of just simply the ‘Clik’ culture…
We are the insiders… and yooooou can’t get in… without ‘slurping serious glutmous maximus’
From my observations of this all too normal behavior… that just as there is a certain percentage of newbees out there that are lazy SoBees there an equally ballanced percentage of Top Guns that are All to ready and willing to take advantage the situation…
I have the knowledge you don’t… you must give me something in return for it…
Claiming that there will be concequences if you don’t cooperate with us…
That we will do the McCarthyistic thing and ‘Black List’ you from the industry if you don’t…
Seems that in the Real world that often times is seen as Mafioso…
But somehow on the internet people (even the big guys) think that because they are protected by distance… and a certain amount of anomimity… then they can say what they want… They can become judge and Jury over other peoples lives…
It really is a matter that the Big Guys think they have the upper hand…
I have to question the confidense that you guys seem to have about all this…
People say well Hollywood is a small club… better play our way… or you will pay…
I’m 47 years old… I lived all my life practicing art… and working Ad Agencies… and Billboards… and signs… and Newspaper and Magzines… just about every form of print you can imgaine… and I can tell you this… guys…
you guys who are ‘now’ on top…
Don’t piss off the little guys … don’t mess with the newbees…
cause if you do…
You will find yourself someday working for ‘them’ when your old and weak and can’t think strait like you use to and can’t keep up with all the new technology that is coming out…
There will come your time of not being able to work the remote…
You think your on top now… so you take advantage… because you can… better be carefull…
What goes around comes around…
The Universe is not fooled by your high handedness…
The newbee you help out today will be the guy that comes to visit you in the Old Folks home later…
In the Oreint … you never ever earn the Title of… Master… Until you have learned to Teach
(Hey Bee Positive…)