The Anatomy Thread of ceruleanvii - 2D

#21

MAR 07, 2008

HEY …DEL…Don’t give up on this one, it’s BEAUTIFUL, DRAMATIC, DYNAMIC…I really like those colors and the lighting…GREAT STUFF…:applause: :thumbsup:
I hope you don’t mind,…but a picture is easier to understand than words…for me anyway,…:slight_smile: so I did a quick paintover of the areas that you had questions about, in the neck area…Don’t forget his adams apple, very important landmark, it also makes him male,…and the colar bones on a male are more straight across/horizontal,…make the neck muscles thicker, and around the ear area, make the back muscle receed behind the muscle that snakes up to the base of the skull, under the ear…make that muscle fatter in the middle, kind of like a snake that just ate a mouse…Also, if he is lifting the one arm on the right side of the painting, that back muscle that runnes from his deltoid/shoulder muscle to the back of his skull will be bulging/constricting, creating an arch shape curve…:slight_smile:
I also aged his face a little, and made it more male,…sharper cheek bones, more brow ridges, more nose ect,…I also raised the base of that horn a little, so it’s further back and up on his skull.
Hope this helps some…:slight_smile: …and if you don’t want this paintover posted in your thread, just let me know, and I will have it removed,.no problem…:slight_smile:
TAKE CARE, AND KEEP UP THAT GREAT WORK,…and also, GOOD LUCK in that portrait class…can’t wait to see some of what you will learn in it…:slight_smile:
Glenn

Paintover of Del’s painting…neck area, and face.

#22

Thanks for the feedback on the the painting, Roja and Glenn. Yep, I think you’re both right - the face is too young for the body. I previously had been considering scrapping the head and starting a new one, but I’d grown attached to it… I may see if I can “man” it up a little, but if not, I’ll have to get back to the ol’ drawing board and make something new. I think you’re on to something with that back trapezius muscle, Glenn, that helps. I do want to keep him more faun-ish that satyr-ish though - but some angles to the face will help.

Thank you both for the comments, this is exactly what I needed, some fresh eyes to look at this thing!

#23

Did some skull studies from a model I borrowed yesterday. I’ve never really sat down and tried to draw one of these realistically as I’ve always had a bit of a phobia about them. But if I’m going to get this whole anatomy thing down, I guess it’s good practice. Photoshop.

Feeling kind of down about where my art is at, my slow progress… will I ever get where I want to be? I know it’s a constant learning process - but sometimes I wonder why I’m driving myself like this, what’s the point… I know some of you probably know what I’m talking about - is there a name for it, artist’s malaise perhaps ? :slight_smile:

#24

hey those skull studies are really nice!

not only the anatomy but also the colormood and feeling are great! :thumbsup:
Good to see you’ve done those too :slight_smile:

#25

nice skull study !

specially the perspective angle is good to learn the shape properly.

#26

Hehe, I don’t know of a name for it but you’re NOT alone! And of course it doesn’t happen with just art, but with any skill where you compare yourself to others better than you.
I can’t tell you how many times I looked at some awesome piece and was like…“wow. why do i even bother. this artist did exactly what i wanted to do.” and then you find out they’re younger than you and you get even more depressed >.<
Anyway…do it because you love it, you enjoy it, or it has a purpose as in your job or something. I found that I really can’t make art for just myself anymore, I feel like there’s more important things I should be doing-so I find an “excuse”, and that’s doing it for other people as well as me :slight_smile:

#27

those skull studies are really great, nice perspectives and coloring. The taurus guy is really kewl along with what I can see of scorpio. I’m curious how the whole thing looks.

#28

I feel the same way too :sad:.

#29

so I knew I was not alone :slight_smile: thanks sycen, and roja for your perspective. I guess that’s the nature of doing anything creative, sometimes you feel good about your work, sometimes not… I know what you mean, I see some incredible artwork here at CGtalk and I wonder if I’ll ever do things of that quality… Just have to keep plugging along…

Thanks Bapke, Deepam and DivineRain for the comments on the skulls - a good exercise, I’m visualizing the planes of the face a little better now.

I started this on Sunday and wrapped it up yesterday. My anatomy teacher has always said that babies and toddlers are difficult to draw - I think because the muscular anatomy is so undefined? But I actually think they’re easier than a muscular guy - they’re all round and soft, more an exercise in form than anatomy per se. Anyway, this is my son, painted from a photo and from life - the photo was bad, flattened his features and I had to really study his face. I think I’ve very much captured his true nature :slight_smile: I may do more with it later when I have time - legs/chest are a off, and one of the wings - as always, c/c welcome. The Seegmiller course has started and I think it’s going to keep me busy for the next few weeks!

#30

Nice work in this thread, would love to see you push the depth, volume of forms, and rendering. This last piece is great. :slight_smile:

#31

Thanks Rebecca for your comments! I think I understand what you’re getting at… My work is kind of scratchy, flat and I do need to push it further. I’ll be picking up anatomy/figure drawing again at the end of March and I’m going to try to do a lot more with my charcoal and graphite drawings this time around. I’ve seen some of your charcoal anatomy studies and they’re beautiful! - going to try and push for more of that delineation of form you do so well.

#32

Thanks. :slight_smile: Good to hear, looking forward to seeing your studies. One thing I’ve found useful with charcoal drawing is to do a graphite drawing / block in with a 2B pencil first, then to do a rendering with charcoal (since it is a relatively unforgiving medium).

#33

I’ve decided to combine my sketchbook and anatomy thread into one. So I’m going to keep everything over here from now on, since most of my work is figurative in some way and it’ll be easier to just deal with one thread. Plus it’s much more fun over here! :slight_smile:

Here are a few sketchy bits from my sketch thread I’m bringing over, these are all from the past few months:

Yellow

The Lost

Funny about the above two - I didn’t realize what similar subjects they were until I looked at them together, very different atmospheres though.

Prince of Storms character I’ve been working on, off and on - I really want to finish him one day…

#34

Nice to see you’ve made the switch :wink:

Strong work for sure, I think the key thing that I might suggest you work on is creating a greater sense of depth / value range in your paintings and sketches. I like the atmospheric nature of the landscapes and would love to see more of those, with perhaps more definition to the trees etc. for pieces like the golden toned one.

#35

Thanks for looking again and for your feedback, Rebecca. I can see what you’re getting at, I can see it too - I’m just not quite sure how to do it! If you can recommend someone’s work for me to study, that would be most helpful, thanks.

#36

Min / bumskee is an amazing artist here who has a sketchbook thread. Check out his work for landscape work. Also feel free to check out his site:

http://minart.net/illustrations/

For depth in faces, check out zhuzhu, who also has a sketchbook thread here, as well as a SPOTLIGHT Artist thread in the Spotlight area.

We all have a lot to learn from these guys. :wink:

#37

Hi …Del …:slight_smile:

A GREAT MASTER OF LIGHTING, that you might really enjoy, and learn alot from…not just about lighting, but also COLOR. He was also GREAT at doing great compositional land and water scapes with figures in them, is CLAUDE LORRAINE.
I have studied his lighting, color, and compositions for years now, and am still learning new things from him, and am still amazed by his subtle use of light, color, and composition…PURE MAGIC…:slight_smile:
Just type his name into the search box…:slight_smile:
In your landscapes, keep in mind…FORGROUND…MIDDLE GROUND…DISTANT GROUND.
The levels of focus,.detail… and color value is different in each of those three areas, and is what creates DEPTH in the painting.
Keep up the GREAT work, REALLY looking forward to seeing MORE…:thumbsup: :slight_smile:
TAKE CARE
Glenn

#38

Thanks for the links, Rebecca - amazing work from both of them. Gorgeous! And thanks for the Lorraine suggestion, Glenn, I was actually using one of his paintings for reference when I was doing another landscape type thing, trying to capture atmosphere… He really did it well, didn’t he?

The face and figure painting class has started, and as I thought, it’s a lot of work, and challenging. I am seeing, painfully so, where my lack of a painting background has been impeding me. I never learned basic painting concepts, and it’s a very different approach than the drawing/illustration style I usually work in. I can see the advantages, though, so time to learn! Here’s some of the first week’s assignment, mostly me trying to grasp the concepts of laying in values/large masses to start.

I need to try and keep sketching too, I sorely miss my anatomy class and figure drawing! My little Freedom of Teach muscle guy has arrived, I’m in love :slight_smile: , I want to try and squeeze in some studies of arms/legs/various-parts-I-have-trouble-with over the next few days. It’ll be a tough couple of weeks, way too much going on in my life right now! must… keep… drawing…

#39

nice hands on colors and light !! Like the shading very much.

#40

HEY…Del…:slight_smile:

Looks like your off to a GREAT start in that class…:applause: :thumbsup:
Like I said earlier…what you learn in that class that your taking now, will show up in your life drawing classes later,…and will take your life drawings to a much higher level,…because you will see more and also much better…:slight_smile:

Really looking forward to seeing MORE of your work and progress…:slight_smile: :thumbsup:
TAKE CARE
Glenn