Sketchbook Thread of Erich Schreiner

#121

39 i think… :slight_smile:

#122

LOL. Great work! :slight_smile:

#123

Erich,

I don’t mean to belittle your earlier work (in fact I regurlary visited your thread, so…)

…but these studies look like a different person drew them! It’s amazing.

I am so anxious now what your own compositions will look like with your new expression.

Also, it makes me feel bad, about me sitting there and fumbling away at my single painting for the OFDW for two days while you churn out these amazing master copies. :eek:

I need to get more productive… ah… a goal I set myself on so many levels for this year…

so thanks for the inspiration!

#124

@Mr Mu

thx a lot. i think i needed some time to get used to my pencil, copying drawings etc, now the process is much more loose than in the beginning, and the main bunch of the drawings looks equal (shading-wise), so perhaps we are all witnesses of the birth of a style :slight_smile:

Also, it makes me feel bad, about me sitting there and fumbling away at my single painting for the OFDW for two days while you churn out these amazing master copies

it’s really all about practicing. i always believed and now am convinced that there are no short-cuts. you just have to do a certain amount of drawings to become faster and better. So take your pencil and do something! :slight_smile:

@Rebecca
thx

made ten today (some look very rough, but some master drawings do look like that…don’t think i’m lazy :slight_smile: )

#125

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#126

Ha, yeah, the first thing that comes to mind when I think of Erich is ‘lazy’ :scream: ~ great stuff! Definitely want to take a closer look later on. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#127

Wow! great copies man!:thumbsup: Are you just using a regular pencil or what?

#128

very nice muscles study all around the thread~good stuff:)

#129

@rblitz7

thx. i use a 0,5 mm mechanical pencil, kneaded eraser and paper blender

@sh@ke

thx

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#130

Wow! your on fire!!:thumbsup: The first one in this set is great. It seems like you really know the figure so it would be nice to see if you take the shading to the extreme.

#131

@rblitz7

thx. unfortunately i have no time at the moment to make really smooth shaded drawings.

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#132

Erich,

You’re doing a terrific job. :slight_smile: The one thing I would say would be to slow down on these a bit. Even if you don’t smooth shade these, which I think is unnecessary in any case, I would recommend taking more time on them ~ go for quality over quanity. Of course, quality and quantity is the best. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#133

thx Rebecca. i planned to do about 100 in a row (i will finish these next week), then perhaps 1 per day, cause i don’t have the time to practice them for three months (unfortunately). there are some contests these year, and i need a showable portfolio (better sooner than later) :slight_smile: .

i hope that these drawings will affect my free stuff positively :slight_smile:

#134

Erich,

No prob, cool ~ sounds like you definitely have a good plan! :slight_smile: Will you be posting anything of your contest work here? Even if it’s only the finals, and not WIP, that would be cool to see. :slight_smile:

I think it’s inevitable that your drawings will improve as a result of doing these studies. Master Copies are things to which you should return periodically in your career ~ no one can really outdo them, so you’re constantly testing yourself against the best. :slight_smile:

Good luck with the competitions and the portfolio ~ hope to see your progress here!

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#135

@Rebecca
sure i will post perhaps the sketches and the finals…if the sketch is bad, the final will follow, so that’s the important point. :slight_smile:

I think it’s inevitable that your drawings will improve as a result of doing these studies. Master Copies are things to which you should return periodically in your career ~ no one can really outdo them, so you’re constantly testing yourself against the best

i recognized several lines and shapes that are repeated continously through the drawings, and i think that’s already worth it. And i never thought that i’ll have to do a bunch of them and that’s it forever. i’m nearly done with the anatomy lessons from the great masters, but i ordered some out of the draughtmans-series.

just one more question: do you think it’s possible to do figures out of your head that look more or less realistic (no comic look) without the help of a model.
I made now nearly 70 copies and some patterns appear equal on the models, but just in a kinda rough way, that means, when you look closer, it looks slightly different on each of them. so if i build my archetype (what a figure basically should look like) in my head, and only would work from this, i’m going to repeat myself again and again. diversification would just appear through happy accidents (perhaps).
Don’t know if that makes sense :slight_smile:

btw i don’t want to achieve a 100% photorealistic look, it should not look like comic-style, stylization is ok, but more in a realistic way (perhaps like Luis Royo does).

When i’m done with the drawings, i’m going to color some of them, because i bought the puddnhead DVDs and need to do some tests before i’ll start a ‘big’ painting.

#136

Hey Erich :scream:

I haven’t been on this thread for a few weeks due to MA work at University, but I must say I am stunned by your output and dedication to the task you have undertaken. Well done!! :thumbsup:

With regards to the question you asked in the quote - I know that artists/draughtsmen like Andrew Loomis, (I’m pretty sure Burne Hogarth,) and infact my current life drawing teacher at University all did/do it.

My current lecturer told me that he works out his pose first in his head, forms it on paper and finally gets a model in to sit in the pose to make sure he didn’t miss anything. I’m sure that the last part is an optional extra. :smiley:

Basically he told me that this made the most sense from a financial point of view, as if you know how people work then all you need them for is to capture the fine details. And paying high prices for a model to sit there while you do a rough in and refinement that you could do on your own makes no sense.

My 2 pences worth there

Keep going, I’m inspired.

MIKE :slight_smile:

#137

hi erich,

just wanted to say that your work is great!

thank you for the inspiration :slight_smile: keep it up!

#138

Good works Erich, I´ll watch to your progress:thumbsup:

#139

i recognized several lines and shapes that are repeated continously through the drawings, and i think that’s already worth it. And i never thought that i’ll have to do a bunch of them and that’s it forever. i’m nearly done with the anatomy lessons from the great masters, but i ordered some out of the draughtmans-series.

Sweet! Yep, that’s the beauty of copying the work of people who were already at the top of their game. I think too often, artists try to ‘go it alone’ and wind up floundering about, not really knowing what they are doing and why ~ they hear the endlessly repeated phrase ‘drawing from life is the best’ when they don’t realize that drawing from master copies is equally good, if not better sometimes ~ in fact, in old style atelier systems, students were never allowed in front of a live model until they had completed copies of plaster casts, so they would know what the hell to look for in a live model. :wink:

just one more question: do you think it’s possible to do figures out of your head that look more or less realistic (no comic look) without the help of a model.
I made now nearly 70 copies and some patterns appear equal on the models, but just in a kinda rough way, that means, when you look closer, it looks slightly different on each of them. so if i build my archetype (what a figure basically should look like) in my head, and only would work from this, i’m going to repeat myself again and again. diversification would just appear through happy accidents (perhaps).
Don’t know if that makes sense :slight_smile:

You’ll get better at this the more life drawing and master copies you do. The main thing to remember here is that there are no exclusive rules ~ if you get stuck in a spot and need to look at reference whilst trying to come up with a pose from imagination, why the heck not look at reference? I think it’s perfectly valid to do so ~ it’s like taking a test, and you will quickly discover the things you don’t know. When you find those trouble areas, do more master copies / life drawings / drawing from reference, and eventually you will fill in the blind spots. But drawing from imagination is not something one does well having only done a few copies / life drawings / then they move on. The goal is to mix everything up, and keep things in a steady continuum. Which, fortunately one can do more cheaply these days thanks to the myriad resources of the internet. :slight_smile:

btw i don’t want to achieve a 100% photorealistic look, it should not look like comic-style, stylization is ok, but more in a realistic way (perhaps like Luis Royo does).

Yeah, I won’t criticize someone’s style, unless it looks as though that particular person only has style, and no substance. You are working on the substance first, which is how I wish most artists would approach art ~ but it’s rare, most aim straight for style, which is backwards. :wink:

When i’m done with the drawings, i’m going to color some of them, because i bought the puddnhead DVDs and need to do some tests before i’ll start a ‘big’ painting.

Great! I look forward to seeing those pieces here. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#140

@Mike
thx a lot. i really liked the creature you designed in your thread…have to check in from time to time, could miss something :slight_smile:

foster, vallejo, bell, Donato Giancola (there are surely more, but i know only them) work the same way. guess the human body is so complex and complicated, that you have to work from a model to get all the details.

but i have to admit that royos stylized girls are (for me) much much cooler than a photorealistic painted model.

@Dunkelgold
thank you very much for your motivating words :slight_smile:

@Gonzalo
thx, like your drawings too :slight_smile:

@Rebecca
thx for your thoughts (all agreed :slight_smile: ) and the time spent thinking about them. hope to have enough substance now to start serious artworks.

couldn’t do anything yesterday, so i made some rest. i feel my motivation is decreasing, so i hope to get to my 100 and the slow down a bit :slight_smile: actual count: 74