some more sketches…
don’t know if i like this one
this was traced from a photograph (proportions and pose). the pose convinced me and it didn’t seem to make sense to construct it again by my own.
Sketchbook Thread of Erich Schreiner
ErichSchreiner
#222
here’s my first try in painting a fantasy pin-up. ref was used.
btw, is it sharp enough? i often used the airbrush and a blender…
Rebeccak
#223
Erich,
WOW! This last piece is very impressive! :applause: Do you feel as though all of the master copies as well as the OFDW piece helped improve your drawing / painting abilities? Definitely interested in hearing your thoughts. 
Can you post a higher res version? The only thing that bothers me is the the band of red around the outline of her suit ~ it seems to flatten the outfit out too much. Also, her raised arm seems a little funnily placed ~ what are your thoughts?
Great job with this! 
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Lyneran
#224
i see. thanks for sharing a bit about your process. goodluck with the expose 4 piece, it’ll be great stuff for sure
i love the paint job on that last piece! you’re getting better and better! although there’s something on her left shoulder (a division bet. the deltoid & trapezius part i think) that i’m wondering about. i’m not quite sure though, maybe it’s just because of the small size, or i might just be dazed as usual! 
would love to see a hi-res version too.
ErichSchreiner
#225
thx. well, my eyes are more trained now than before, and i can recognize errors more quickly. the girl was made with photo-ref, so my drawing skills were reduced to developing the costume etc, so i think i’m able to draw figures, but without some refs, i think i couldn’t make them look realistic right now. so i have to practice more
@Lyneran
thx. forgot the hi-res version, but i’ll try to link one soon.
here’s something without reference…
Rebeccak
#227
Erich,
This is an impressive piece, particularly given that it’s not from Reference! I feel a few of the figures feel a bit stiff, such as the sitting figures against the wall, and far right figures ~ perhaps using reference for these poses could help?
Overall, though, nice piece ~ perhaps a few areas of greater contrast could give it a little more ‘punch’.
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
Rebeccak
#228
If you haven’t already, you should totally join the Challenge!
http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/journey_begins/enter.php
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
ErichSchreiner
#229
hi folks. i was practicing a lot the last 1 1/2 years, and these are my actual skills. i think i need another few months to get where i want to…but as you all know, there are no short - cuts
i used ref for some of the paintings, i think you will see where. so here we go:
color
ErichSchreiner
#230
B/W
creatures
i know i have a long road to go, but i feel not too bad about my stuff. have to do some more dynamic stuff in the future.
i would be glad about some critique
thx
aLoneCuzzo
#231
nice post.
the b/w characters look kinda stiff…
I like the moth creature thing the best and the woman w/ the sword…
Rebeccak
#232
Erich,
Some really strong work here. It’s great to see as a group like this.
Have you seen this excellent thread?
“PAINTOVER PLEASE” - painted crits on demand - with Steven Stahlberg
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=359226
If you are having doubts about any of your pieces, it might be a good opportunity to post one of your pieces to his thread for some great suggestions.
One thing I think you might work on with your figures is making them look more dynamic, and less stiff. Doing an occasional Master Copy of an artist such as Rubens will help to keep those skills sharp. I think one thing I see in your work is that forms don’t always ‘finish’ or completely breathe ~ and I think adding a bit more gestural life to the figures will give them that much more believability. Would love to see you do another Master Copy, only one that was fully digital. It might be a good exercise to create a digital painting from Reference of Classical / Renaissance Sculpture, to really get the feeling of the round into your forms.
Check out these excellent references from the Web Gallery of Art:
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Cheers,
~Rebeccak
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ErichSchreiner
#234
thx. yes, i simply can’t overcome the stiff look, don’t know why…guess i didn’t get something.
@rebekka
thx for the refs, i hope to find the time to copy some of them.
that forms don’t always ‘finish’ or completely breathe
do you mean that it’s not loose enough? sorry for asking but i think i didn’t understand exactly what you mean.
i’m trying now for months to do more dynamic figures. when i’m strictly using refs, the paintings are never dynamic, when i try drawing without refs, and add some ref later on, the figures are often wrong…man, i hope there’s some light at the end of the tunnel
Rebeccak
#235
Originally posted by Erich: do you mean that it’s not loose enough? sorry for asking but i think i didn’t understand exactly what you mean.
i’m trying now for months to do more dynamic figures. when i’m strictly using refs, the paintings are never dynamic, when i try drawing without refs, and add some ref later on, the figures are often wrong…man, i hope there’s some light at the end of the tunnel
Erich, bringing all of the pieces together in figure drawing / painting is no easy / fast task, I sure haven’t mastered it. I think the key concept to bear in mind is that all forms, regardless of their complexity, are made of overlapping simple shapes.
You will see this concept repeated in all of representational figurative art throughout history. Well created form implies roundness from one side of the figure to the other. This is essentially the opposing curves concept in action. The white lines represent where the curve of one side of the organic shape implies the other side, and the black lines are the contour of the form which you intentionally create to bounce off of one another and to imply the other side:
[left]Form created this way ‘breathes’. The invisible connections between the sides of the form give the sense of a flowing, organic, whole form. If one side of the form fails to imply the other, then the form looks flat and stiff, and doesn’t ‘breathe’.
This is why it helps to exxaggerate the roundness of form on the page. With only lines as visual cues to form, this opposing curves method is the essential ingredient to creating illusion of human form on the page.
Cheers,
~Rebeccak
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erilaz
#236
Erich, I haven’t check your stuff in a while, but the new fantasy stuff you’re dishing out is intense. There’s some funky use of light and mood in those!
ErichSchreiner
#237
SpiritDreamer
#238
Hi…Erich…
GREAT…colors…atmosphere…air…and dramatic lighting…:applause:
TAKE CARE
Glenn
