Should I pick the MSI TRX40 Creator or ASUS TRX40 Zenth Extreme II for my TR3 Content Creation system? Please


#1

Any preference both features and things like bios and reliabilty. Between

  • MSI TRX40 Creator
  • ASUS TRX40 Zeneth Extreme II

These seem close spec wise.

One difference is the MSI has more M.2 slots due to its PCIe 4.0 4x M.2 addon card totalling 7 (3 on board). But has only 6 Sata ports.

Zeneth Extreme II has 5x M.2 slots but the full 8 Sata slots.

Both have all their PCIe 16 slots full 16 lane speed and 10gb internet. Lots of usb connection.

Is the zeneth more of a games mb as the Creator board lists some sort of content creator feautres or mode and this would be for a media, video and CAD creation system.

How reliable, issue free, quality bios (ie the stuff not listed in feature lists and comparisons) are both and their brands

  • 3960x processor
  • Quadro 8gb RTX4000 or GEForce RTX 11 gb 2080 ti
  • 1tb corsair force 4 gen SSD
  • Raid 1 pair Seagate Ironwolf 4tb drive
  • 64g corsair vengence ram

I understand in most the geforce card should beat the Quadro but would be using Solidworks which appears to be Quadro fussy.

Interestingly

The Gigabyte Designare has a Thunderbolt and a M.2 x 4 ssd addon card. But not all the pci sliys 16 lane

Any info on TRX80 or WRSX80 mbs inc release dates?

Software likly to include:

Solidworks
Vectorworks
Google Sketchup
Rhino

Cinema 4D
Maya
3d Stuio Max
Mari
Modo

Premier, After Effects Nuke

Stetch
Adobe Audtion
Encode
Vray
Keyshot
Photoshop
Indesign


#2

For such a highly configured machine, the pair of slow, not particularly high capacity NAS harddrives is an odd choice. Why not go for 4tb of super fast nvme ssd storage and an external high capacity NAs drive for backups.


#3

I dont have anywhere near that kind on money Im stretching the budget to £4200 to £4400 as am just a film extra who is a graduate of an industrial design and technology degree with various media and Cad creative interests.

At the moment struggling to decide between a

Quadro 8gb RTX4000 or GEForce RTX 11gb 2080 ti ( thats eleven the 1 was a typo now fixed)

Most advice suggests to go the the GE force GPU except where it comes to Solidworks the CAD program I know the most whihc seems to be a stickler for Quadro cards

I think the only way to swap this for the Quadro 5000x would be to drop down to a AMD Ryzen 3950x system.

Likewise I dont think I can afford to go up to the 3970x , especially if I go for the MSI creator or ASUS Zeneth Extreme motherboard

And what Motherboard between a Asus TRX40 Rog Strix, Gigabyte TRX40 Designare, ASUS Zeneth II Extreme and MSI TRX40 Creator Motherboard.

Im curious about a TRX80 MB but not heards anyth about these, especially a realease date.

Plus tryign to decide between a Corsair Graphite Series 780t and a Fractal Design Define R6 (Ideally the version with a windoww but how much sound proofing do you loose?)


#4

Also wondering…

Could it be a better idea to go for a

Ryzen 3950x with Quadro 16gb rtx 5000

or

Threadripper 3960x with Quadro 8gb 4000rtx or Geforce 11 gb 2080ti given one of the more common software would be solidworks whihc seems Quadro certified pushing,.?

Also adding into this the motherboard issues that tyhe threadripper ones have far more pcie lanes for add ons, pcie cards , ssds , usbs etc


#5

What’s exactly your workflow? What’s the final product of your job, basically? I would like to understand why do you think you need a multicore beast like the 3960X? Where do you think its 24c/48t would be useful? Is the final product of your work related to cpu rendering? Why do you think you need all those pcie lanes?
These are basic things one should know in order to give some help here.
If the major part of your work is CAD related (Solidworks etc), I would advise you to pick a 3950X/Quadro RTX 5000 combination. Something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List


#6

Im a graduate from an industrial design course with various creative interests who works in the film industry as a film extra looking to get into area like art department, props and special effectd trying to get into various entry level creative work where there is not lots of job in any one area so often its this job wants Vectorworks that one wants Autocad and that one wants google Sketchup. I seems there is more demand for Rhino, I have a Raise 3D N2 Dual 3d Printer, often making audition videos, was good at presentign so thinking if I cannot get the Graduate, Apprentice Ship, Trainee type position maybe I should try more for making own yourtube vdeos and podcasts with some green screen. Maybe go bat to making prop Live action Role Playing possibly using the Cad software to 3d print a model I can then mould to sell copies of etc.

So there is not one set as you say workflow yet, but have been hampered by the lack of a decent creative computer with a crappy laptop (A lenovo Thinkpad Edge laptop with I3 2.2 gz processor, 500tb drive, 8g ram,no graphics card ) and very little room looking for something that genuinely enables me to learn and develop skills to the ppint where I can get a creative job to focus on a set area as need real work not more film extra and occasional brain dead promo or shop work.

Looking to add to this as can afford a DSLR camera geared to wards portrait, green screen filming and product photos, A green screen studio and podcast set up (maybe amking own rock and rebellious radio type shows and most things I see are utterly bornign radio wise.

Part of this is to try and work out what really is useful and what is not.

Solidworks was what I used the most in uni to do CAD work, very much lookign to learn Rhino as it offere more organic creativity, did courses in June on Vectorworks for set and interior design and after effects which Im looking to follow up.

So there is no one set thing at the moment whihc is why Ive run into problems like the Geforce or Quadro GPU issue as the Geforce looks fine for the 3d modeling, animation and editing side buyt not the CAD in particualr Solidworks side, I dont have the pubdjet really for QUadro 5000 and 6000 cards and have been looking to work out a system for much of the last year whe it was I9 9900x or amd tr 2950x as a choice and have been waiting for the new Threadripper and Rizen system to get something good for single threated creation and the follow up renderign and encoding.

Hvae had hard disk failure before, have about 2 and a 1/2 tb of content that needs stroign hence the 4tb raid pair.

Have been advised on 64gb, have data on dvds whihc would need the dvd writer and been trying to narrtoe down whast the best motherboard, GPU, Case and cooler should be in what had been a increasng budget that I need to limit with a lot of saving up.

So my entire savings (have no real pension, no homes / mortage and little money comming in thats not at all regular) is ust under £6000 so trying to keep the budget around £4300 as this has taken 2 yeas + to save up but needs to be done to get oj with this especially as only have 5 months of Vectorworks student licence left.

I have had a fair bit of problems with last minute audition videos and videos in general taking forever to encode, but also issues when editing, trying to run solidworks, vectorworks, Rhino etc. Looking to learn Maya and 3d Studio Max and others, like Z brush/mudbox for characters and models to 3d print.

I understand the high cores will help the renderign and encoding aling with a decent pro level graphcis card with a decet amount of ram by need a high clock speed as well.

Looking for something I can expand over time hence interest in PCIe lanes as not wantig to be restricted like the laptop (used to have an I5 system but it failed and been stuck with this parents laptop since)

So not what you used to, more in the kind of stage maybe you were at the start of a career. Lookingto try and build one not be stuck in fill in odd day casual work that in no way develops creative/engineering skills

So a fair bit currently is video and very much looking to add the likes of After effectsm nuke, 3d Studio Max, Mays, Blender etc to this

Trying to develop modeling and CAD skills to aim for entry product design, or prop like work or maybe some craft, podcast, youtube work I can do at home.

Also technically minded and most likly could build own system but have only added or removed parts like graphics cards, ram, drives, windws 7 issues before. Somewhat nervious to be trying to wing it with combining parts over £600 to £1300 each on own when could just do minor clumbsy issues and busting a few processor pins, or static screw up to put the whle thing together my self and looking for some kind of warranty and support. Would rather practice on a £300 system first rather and over 2/3 of savings.

Also when I checked single parts price lists and the cost of having a custm system made up by the likes of PC Specialist and Scan UK or Amari (In united Kingdom) there did not see to be any significant cost difference (I suppose this as as said cmpanies get bulk part discounts). So it looks like the risk of trying to put the main parts together ie processor, motherboard, case, bios to start and any over clocking (The rest should be easy) did not seem justified with a big saving.

More than likely should have no trouble with mainenance. More than likely should be able to work out how to assemble it all but woudl rather avoid a £2000 opps moment when dont have the finance to replace parts and try again.

Dont know if that helps


#7

Out of curiosity, what are these “moulds” from 3d printers that you’re going to sell?

Also, ESPECIALLY since you’re on a budget, is there some reason you’re not considering FOSS software like Blender and Linux?? :slight_smile:


#8

Dont know much about Linux but heard blender maybe free and will be keen to learn as soon as get a system that can handle it. Ab big reason for getting a much better system such as the one Im an trying to make is for use as a teaching and practice system that can handle the software. Plus I don’t think blender was around when I was in uni up to 2013 and only recently learned about it

If I was to try and make a dual boot system bearing in mind would be starting with most Likly a 1tb ssd and 4tb raid pair of hard drives, what would be the best way to mix windows 10 and Linux so could try it out and what software would work better using linux? and how do I learn to use linux and can all windows software work on it?

I think im gonner stick with the Quadro card so that leaves the decisions on the case, cooler and motherboard…

Top choices now are the Fractal Design Define R6 white with tempered glass window it is actually has a dvd 5.25 inch slot which is supposed to be quite and I like the look of the Corsair Graphite series 780T. I was looking as well at the Be Quiet pro 900 rev 2 orange case but heard there is an issue with the air flow/

Also which cooler. maybe the Corsair 100i, 115i or 150i AIO or the CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML360 RGB TR4 Edition All In One Liquid CPU Cooler. Not sure on a dark rock air cooler.

and which motherboard?

The TRX40 MSI Creator or ASUS TRX40 Zeneth Extreme II.

I had also been looking at the Gigabyte TRX40 Designare with Thunderbolt and M.2 PCI 4.0 4 slot SSD addon card but would loose PCIe slots

Can you advise on that please?

Also was thinking say of making what could be a nice hilt for a dagger for a live action role play weapon, then making a silicon 2 part mould or similar to will with something like 2 part gun foam I think it was called in a prop making course, or similar. Or do a whole dagger my printing sections of it on the printer, gluing them together and smoothing it off them making a silicon mould of that, maybe two part to do the whole dagger etc including a means of holding a fibre glass rod in it.

Also figurines with possible a way of using a different kind of silicon mould for pewter metal or maybe jewellery.
comes to mind. Maybe experiment this way till can come up with a product idea that would be worth gettign investment to do mass production of but thats a fair way away.

Something like that or say decorative panel single block moulds for materials like fast cast resin or jesomonite


#9

not sure about CAD and Quadro, but for general 3d_modelling you don’t need most beefy card. Turing cards ll’get “much weaker” in 2 half of ther year. 12 to 7 nm have to be big jump in efficiency. used “super” card with 8GB can be good spare wheel for 6-7 month.


#10

I’m not in the market for hardware right now, so can’t advise on that, sorry.

I’ll try and point you to the right answers for your questions, but please, do Google :slight_smile: :

https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-learn-to-use-Linux-Where-do-I-begin-Are-all-the-Linus-distros-the-same-If-not-which-should-I-use

A video that I got from Youtube, not necessarily the BEST on the subject:

You should probably read this too:

Just another video:

Hope all that gets you started :slight_smile: I’d love to know how it went :slight_smile:


#11

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/F9YTrV
£2800 including VAT

16 core amd cpu @ 4.7GHz
Decent cooler so it can turbo all day long
Motherboard with all the slots youre gonna need
Glass case with plenty of airflow
PSU with enough capacity for an extra GPU if you need later
64 gigs fast ram
4TB NVME SSD storage
12 TB external backup/archive storage
Geforce 2080