secon alien number2 - modeling

#21

thanks, kirt. glad you think he is better now. so i am patient, waiting for more, and may be work more on the shoes.

#22

I’ll have to draw over your images … I’ll try to get these posted in the morning.

#23

Well, a busy couple of days for me. But there is a new image in the concept art thread now. I hope this works for you. I really need to get back to work on storyboards.

#24

thank you kirt for taking the time to do these sketches ! they really helped, as i could see what was wrong. i worked now matching up your drawing.

here just a quick view of the improved alien, still way to go though.

#25

Getting better … but still a bit off. You need to define those shapes better. Right now he’s looking like he’s molded from a big lump of clay. Boots, kneepads and uniform should look like separate objects on him.

#26

Hey I have been following this whole short film since the beginning… I would have loved to help but was transitioning between apps and finishing up a project a work.

You guys are doing a fantastic job…its very rewarding to watch:p

Anyway kokoro if you dont mind a stranger putting his eyes on your model strictly to help you out then I’ll give it a shot.

Here is my take on why you might be having a little issue with not coming dead on to the concept.

Ill start from the top down:

  1. [ The Head ] On your model the forehead area is small which makes it looked pear shaped. On the original drawing its more like a planters peanut. I would just lengthen the area between the eyes and the forehead and widen it so its just a little smaller than the pudgy jaw.

  2. [ The torso ] this area is off because Kirt drew the body with an old school 2d technique which starts out like a pear shape. Think of it this way, tweak your verts towards the middle of the breast bone and in side the arm pit area to give it that pear shape and then ever so slightly adjust the shoulders to were they are rounded a little bit. also decrease the lower portion as well… he looks like a really fat dude when really he is a top heavy guy with somewhat of a gut and backside to match. That should do the trick in my opinion.

3 [The arms] Your close here dude, just define the forearms more symetrically and tapper in the shoulders some . This character seems like a push-over even though he is supposed to be a bad-ass. Broader shoulders takes away from that look.

4 [The legs] Honestly, if you havent done so already Id just delete them and start over, I think this is what is killing you. This characters legs are skinny and long but well defined with the attachments he is wearing. You seem to have the idea for the attachements but the portions are off a little because the legs arent long and skinny enough.

Modeling can be a pain and a joy all rolled into one, trust me I know. But your doing a great job so far and you have an excellent start. Sometimes you have to step away from what your doing because you cant see whats off. Take a day or two then study the concept again and go for it.

I hope I havent offended you or stepped on any toes… just looking to help from the bleachers where I can. Also dont take my word on any of this… Im not Kirt and he has the final say cause its his concept. I just gave ya something to chew on.

Later and good luck my friend.

#27

oh kid mesh, thank you so much. i will just run and try to do what you have written. i am sure it will help me a lot. thanks for taking the time in helping me.

#28

Kid Mesh revealed some very good points, we will wait until the next update to see what will come along.
keep it up friend.

#29

i restartet modeling. i could not get i right. so this is how far i got now. tried to incorporate your suggestions kid mesh, as far as i understood them.

ila, how many polys has your alien ?

#30

I think it’s better if I send you the raw polymesh. PM me your e-mail address. which app you are using? (I mean which format is suitable for you?)

#31

Looks great my man, Nice turn around, Plus you do good poly work anyway’s. Keep it up :thumbsup:

#32

hi, i have a problem - thats why i cannot go further… may be someone can help me ?

below you see the alien i modeled so far
(1) wireframe
(2) smoothed (100%), but not edge smoothed
(3) smoothed with edgesmoothed (both 100%)

the wireframe “sits” tightly over kirts drawing, as well as the smoothed (2). but this does not look good. because of the missing edgesmoothing. now turning edgesmoothing on (3) changes the form and deletes many details.

i tried hard, but it seems to me, that it is not possible to model with that polycount so that it looks correctly in wireframe and in smoothed with edgesmoth on.

my question :

how should i model ? so that it fits in wireframe ?

or looks correctly in smoothed with edgesmooth on ? for that i would need to increase the polycount. it is now about 2100, then it would be about 8000, or even higher, if i divide further. i could divide only parts of the model, but that brings up triangles… i do not know if triangles are ok for animation…

btw i model in zbrush, if that is relevant for my question.

#33

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