Reason for creating this thread cos I got little frastruated with seing art illustrations and below it says Photoshop… theres no way on earth u used ONLY Photoshop and Wacom to do that.
I (and many others) would appreciate if artists would give little more and say
hahah cool idea for a thread…nothing to contributre though…everythink i think could be useful i splash into my tutorial thread but i see rwhat ur talkin about:thumbsup:
well, photoshop is a very powerful tool in the right hands. I often see people noting down what other software they used in the finished 2d gallery or at least explaining if they used any aids, such as a 3d base. You can usually tell if someone has pasted in some photographic elements (I see it from time to time, though I’m not going to bother complaining about it anymore, I cannot be arsed 
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People sometimes ask if I used 3d packages to get perspective right or to use as a base to paint on. But I never do it on my paintings. There is no need. Perspective is pretty easy in the first place to be honest. Not that I’m a master or anything. Just my humble perspective. (no pun intended 
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Well yea PS is powerfull, Im not talking about that.
for example there I saw illustration of a huge multi level chinese house with flora fauna around it, and for example to hand paint its tiles on the roofs each with correct perspective, they were thousands of them like a photo. you calculate how long that would take. + tiles were “interlocked” with another in perspective, so you cant really stack them, without minor distortion resized… and below it said photoshop…
probably I cant tell differense between photo CG.
You have a link for the image?
I don’t see why this could not have been handpainted though, sounds do-able. And for a skilled artist, time would not be as much as you would think either.
I’m sure this is not quite as complex as the image you refer to… but;
for example… the tiling at the bottom,
Up close, it does not have to be too detailed, thus very quick.
Also making a layer and drawing perspective lines is handy. I used to do the same on paper with a faint pencil (which I could then rub out). But as you improve with perspective, you can learn to do it quite well by eye.
Anyhow, you can see the full progress in my sig below (if you can be arsed 
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i have no doubt some of these guys can do the stuff they do in
Photoshop alone… a artist named Diamonster did this in MS Paint !..
more info… http://www.deviantart.com/view/17908194/
There’s also a lot you can do in Photoshop by drawing something orthagonally on a seperate layer and using the Free Transform tool to “perspectivize” it to where you need it to be, saving a lot of work or need for a 3D app.
All in all, it’s hard to make such sweeping generalizations about Photoshop artists, saying they all leave out apps they use. I know you’re not going that far with your request, but it might also help to inquire on a case-by-case basis: Hey, I’m really impressed with your roof, your perspective, whatever, cold you please share how you did that. People are often flattered to have their work appreciated, and many on this site are more than willing to share their tricks of the trade.
-mike
doesnt matter if the used custom photos … brushes … textures or what ever it is still done in photoshop.
You are missing the point, I didnt say that wasnt legit Photoshop work I just asked to simply share little more technique details when art piece is posted instead of just saying …photoshop.
Similarly I could say its done on computer… and that also would be legit answer.
well here is one…u make a sample of a few tiles lets say, u duplicate it over and over to create a roof surface, now u paint some natural abrasion and stuff, moss whatever, and then free transform it into perspective…i guess that could be a neat trick
Well, thats fair enough But you did say in your original post “theres no way on earth u used ONLY Photoshop and Wacom to do that” which I (and perhaps others) took differently to how you intended. It sounded more like an accusation of deception thats all 
The free transform thing could work well for flat surfaces (but those interlocking tiles you mention might not be possible with such a technique). Could be used as a basis for those tiles I suppose.
Traditional matt painters in the past have painted details like that and even more on real canvas, so I’m was just not sure why it seemed viewed as not possible to do by hand in photoshop. Of course it is.
You should see what my illustrator tutor at college was capable of on paper. :buttrock:
Personally, I do almost all of my paintings in photoshop only 
Really, it’s all about paticense, skill and little tricks.
You know, custom brushes, pressure sensitivity and other useful things.
Well thats great, I like when people are honest and lots of cg artists use images for textures etc. and thats great. if someone doesnt want to share the exp. it’s ok but would be greatly appreciated if ppl said: mostly done in photoshop, used landscape photo as theme, used maya for more realistic stones trees and perspective.
then I can folow you mentally and im happy. 
ok, i’m not having a go here I just want to point something out:
I would understand where you are coming from if people were in fact being deceptive on a regular basis (or at least doing what you say without mentioning it) but…
In my humble opinion; I think most artists DO explain if they use any 3d or photographs in the artwork. If they put down only photoshop, then I am inclined to believe that they used only photoshop (and no photo paste jobs).
Linda B (Enayla) was accused of using photographs in her pieces I recall. The accuser just could not accept that someone could paint what she had painted, well… thats HIS problem, not Linda’s ;). Linda and others have been kind enough to post many tutorials on how they do their work, these are the ‘tricks’ you are requesting. There are no super tricks that they hide from everyone.
Again, a skilled painter does not need to use pasted photo’s for textures, they can paint it.
They do not need to render the scene out in 3d to get the perspective, they can paint it.
Not that I am putting down people who do use other tools. But I just don’t see this ‘hiding of secret tools’ as something that is wide spread. :shrug:
As with anything, there are a minority that will try and pass off photo’s as hand painted work but they usually stand out and have inconsistant work (i.e the non photographic elements look crap or the blending is poor).
Just because something looks very real or complex does not mean the painter had to use 3d or photographs. So I maintain that 99 percent of those pictures you think must have had more than photoshop are likely to be just photoshop There is no secret 2d artist handshake to gain access to a wealth of quick fix tools and magic bullet techniques
Walrus had it spot on, just ask the artist.
Good luck,
ok, I think your goiong little overboard here, you cant call people who use those methods unskillful. (and by btw I never thought Linda’s paintings used photos, I can see her “brush”…)
and you have said yourself that you knew some people that tried to pass photos as their hand painting…so I guess there are some.
check this “unskillfull” person’s work and tell me if he lacks skill cos he used several programs and methods not just ps.
i know what u mean by passing photos as work there was even a blatant attempt at spectacular challenge…but it is often followed by a serious gap of quality…and becomes obvious. but with skilled use that can be completely hidden that is what matte artists do…and do very well