Rebecca Kimmel's Anatomy Review 002: OPPOSING CURVES

#221

Google Image, again… http://www.marbleclassics.com/XL-01013.htm

Circular motion I set up? More like, was made aware of :D. If A.C. Moore was open 10 minutes longer I’d have some pencils…

#222

tzktime,

Glad to see your post!

I think you definitely went in the right direction by lenghtening your forms in the third picture. It think your series clearly demonstrates 2 things:

1. Practice and repetition is key to improvement - I’ve copied the same master drawings over and over for years, and still have things to learn from those same drawings.
2. Drawing is as much about SEEING as it is about making marks.

The upper portion of the 3rd FIGURE’S left leg is particularly nice ~ loose, but accurately descriptive, and clean.

I think also as one becomes accustomed to the Wacom pen, it becomes a joy to create these clean lines, even if you have to Ctrl Z several times to get them right.

Thanks for posting!

~Rebeccak

#223

Hi Rebecca,

I was too busy to participate last week, but this week I managed to find some time. Thanks for doing this, it’s a HUGE help to me and lots of others I’m sure. I’ve been going to figure drawing classes on and off for the past few months, but I’ve got no real training, so threads like this are like Gold.

Here’s a pic from me:

#224

AndyDay wrote:

>I was too busy to participate last week, but this week I managed to find some time.

Awesome, glad you can participate! Once the new sub-forum gets up for “Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing”, there won’t be the same time constraints.

Thanks for posting your work!

~Rebeccak

#225

Same :expressionless:

I saw the news here first , and went to see on a news channel :expressionless: Very sad to see this.

#226

hi rebecca, you reply fast, thx :slight_smile: do you have some sort of alerts system? anyways i went n tried for a 4th time and since i didnt get to participate in the first lesson, i did some review. ps: my drawing is still loose. will be doing many gesture drawing first before moving on to curves. thanks again for the quick reply. :wip:

Edit: forgot to include image:

#227

My alert system is called “ADD” ~ Attention Deficit Disorder :wink:

Just kidding, I don’t actually have ADD, but wish I did, as some of my smartest friends “suffer” from it ~

Thanks for the update. I’m going to have to be offline for a while now and actually do work :rolleyes:

~Rebeccak

#228

Ok here is mine:

Everybody:please feel free to do some critique on this piece.
link:http://figuredrawings.com/1116JOHN%20EVERARD7.jpg

#229

FYI, if you do an image search on google using any of the old masters names it turns up quite a few hundred thousand images. Raphael Michelangelo De Vinci

If you don’t mind continuing the previous discussion. Out of these 3 fellows I think I favor Raphael the most, works such as altoviti. But its not to do with the form I think. It’s the color. He captured such beautiful lighting and vibrant colors that I think I’m drawn more to his work. Having said that, these 3 are each still so unbelievably good that I could view their works for hours. I would love to see the Sistine Chapel for real one day. I think my neck would be permanetly stuck from looking at the ceiling all day. :smiley:

Lets forget the bodybuilder physique because I don’t really favor that look. Speaking as a guy (which probably sways this a bit) I find the natural female form to be infinately more beautiful than any art I’ve seen. Again, this has alot to do with the color and soft shadow and tone gradations. The soft curves and rounded edges (not the harder edge of muscle) looks much better to me. That’s my opinion and preference.

Having said that my next attempt will be more “like Mike” which is going to be a chore for me. But I must learn something new everyday.

#230

I agree with rebecca, I send regards to all those involved in the recent occurences london. I sincerely hope everyone is fine and that you have been greeted with good fortune (in respect to the situation).

This thread is getting insane, so many good drawings and the involvement of the communtiy is outstanding. I want to say something about so many individuals work, but I think this post would be humongus in size. More and more people are participating and everyone has made impressive progress. Rebecca and Ortiz have done an outstanding job with the creation of this thread and I feel privleged to be able to particpate with everyonne.

It is as if CGTalk is the choclate factory and I have just found that last golden ticket…too good to be true. Thanks to everybody for making this so enjoyable.

Edit- Wyatt check out Tiepolo ( i love his work, if you can not tell)…his drawings are sublime.

#231

Ah, I definitely want to reply to WyattHarris’ post more in-depth later…the Raphael image which you posted is a painting, and as such, delves into a whole different set of properties which go beyond drawing. The old saying that Drawing is Painting is absolutely true…in my opinion, some of the Masters could have “spilled coffee” on their drawings and called it a day, having completed their “paintings”.

Which brings up an EXCELLENT point. I would also like to have on the Artistic Anatomy and Figurative Drawing sub-forum a thread dedicated to figurative PAINTING. So that all of the questions and issues related to that vast subject may be addressed. Perhaps I should just call the sub-forum: “Artistic Anatomy and Figurative ART”. In fact, I think I will.

I think that these two subjects, working together in the same forum, will provide an amazing feeding ground for all of the excellent artists who have participated in this thread, and who will hopefully be participating in the sub-forum as well.

Thanks all for your support, and special thanks to Roberto Ortiz for helping to make all of this possible.

~Rebeccak

EDIT: also, with respect to WyattHarris’ comment about SHADING, that indeed is one of the upcoming lesson topics, so stay tuned…but stay on the current topic, too :wink:

Thanks ~

#232

excellent I have have not painted in years… It might be time to crack open that dusty case of oils. Fun fun fun!

#233

Mirwen,

Just saw your post! :slight_smile: Glad to see you back…ok time to work on some reviews.

~Rebeccak

#234

At the post above I wanted just to post my work (Ok, it is not bad [but also not so good:)] . When I said that I am shy to post, because of quality of posted work of everybody - It had to be a just a compliment):).

And know I would like to react on several posts I read. You will hate me for this:twisted:. Attention: I am about to write this all with respect to everybody and everything

Michalangelo Buonarroti:

Many people in this thread drew this statue of David. And I would like to say: PLEASE, [color=#fffffe]STOP DRAWING THIS STATUE!!! Why? Simple question. Look at this… Thi statue has several disproportions, like long neck, too big right hand and so on. So [color=DarkOrange]did Mike do a bad job? No! This statue and all the things around are purpose! Mike was a Genius with big G. But this statue he did from a piece of marble that was defective aaaand this statue was ment to be on higher place. So people would look on the statue from down and see all things on statue from different point of view. Mike counted with this and created the statue with some calculated disproportions. This is why I say that he was a genius.

It is all what I wanted to say about David. Next- what is perfect? I mean who decide what is or what is not perfect or beautiful? Let me say something: :scream:!EVERYTHING IS ART!:scream: But if you learn some school you MUST follow the way of the school (or you will be kicked out). So if we should learn from masters such as Michalangelo, Rubens, Botticelli, Durer, Leonardo, an so on. Than we should do so. Rebecca is quite tolerant but I think that everybody may see where is her brakepoint and shouldn’t try to challange her.

More about [color=DarkOrange]Michalangelo:[color=#fffffe]He was homosexual (No, I have nothing against them) and it is the purpose, why he did only men. Why he was so interested in muscles and why he never created a woman (every single Mike’s woman is a man:)). This is why he created something that looks soo real and doesn’t really exist. But hell who cares? He really knew the muscles and it is very good to learn from his works. Look at this one (detail from The Last Judgement)

Do you really think that somebody can have such a body? I don’t think so. (Whooo! But look at those muscles! cool!). That’s all I wanted to say about [color=DarkOrange]Mike.[color=#fffffe] Please, feel free to stone me:thumbsup:

[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]stipick_S: Thank you very much for your beautiful kind comments to me and to the others.

Somhairle:I am using A6 Wacom Intuos 2 with 512 (youknowwhat) It is small, I know, but it was cheap:) (only 100 euros)

[color=DarkOrange]Rebecca:[color=#fffffe]In new forum - As Noob said the face would be nice. I mean basic proportions and then. Expressions of face, differences between euro, asia and negro faces (did I say it correctly? It sounds to me like racism. And I am not resistic person). And nice would be also figure in action (swiming, walking, fighting,…) - gestures and but also details.

To everyone: I am really stuned to see how many people in their 30 years have no purpose why to live and create. Hey guys, don’t you have any dreams ?!? How about searching the Meaning of Life?

As I said once before, I am only 19 years old and still discovering and exploring new facinating things. What did I discover?

 - I am seeking my dream!
  1. [color=Red]Everything is art
  2. Tolerance and power ( I tolerate everything until the barrier of tolerance is broken - than I’ll use power)
  3. I am seeking the middle point (not the gray one)
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#235

Mirwen,

This is great stuff! I can’t stop chuckling to myself :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#236

Well, I looked at my work a couple of days later and decided I’d completely missed the boat. So I read right through this whole thread again, and the topic is slowly starting to make more sense to me now. I’ve taken your advice Rebecca and gone back to the masters to copy some of their drawings, which are at the top of the page below, and then tried to apply what I’d learned without the original reference to a straight off the top of the head drawing. It’s come to my attention, looking through some of the gorgeous artwork on here, that my drawing style is very clinical, and I need to loosen up more, but I have a morbid fear of charcoal and pastel instilled in me from school.

You know, I’ve realised my art schooling didn’t actually teach me anything about the fundamentals of art, which is really sad, because my art teacher was such a great guy, he just couldn’t spend the time needed on drawing, and had to pander to the curriculum, which involved sticking tissue paper on everything and desaturating it with bleach. I’ve learned everything I know now mostly from looking at other’s art and reading books, so this thread is really a godsend. If anyone should ever fancy doing a colour theory teaching thread along the same lines, that would be just amazing. But I’m learning with every new stroke I make here, so this is most, most wonderful. Anyone fancy pulling these apart, please be my guest.

#237

Thank’s Rebecca:) and let me say… even if you can’t see me, I am always here somewhere biting through theese english texts (would you trust me, if I say that it is more simple for me to read something in czech or slovak language?:))
Eh- I just found what mistake did I do on my new post:banghead:. I am going to do a better one.

#238

Hello Miss. Kimmel,

Could you please critique my work.

Feel free to be as honest and tactless as you can be.

Thank you,

sWyche

#239

Zepyhri wrote,

>(My very good art teacher) had to pander to the curriculum, which involved sticking tissue paper on everything and desaturating it with bleach.

Hahahaha! I really hated some of the art training I had as a kid…I recall being 8 and in the East (Modern) Wing of the National Art Gallery, and thinking, Jesus, I could do this! Well, my original sensibilities and opinions regarding Modern Art have now been successfully educated out of me ~ read: brainwashed :wink: ~ but I fully understand the frustration with so-called art-training that so-called art schools provide these days ~ and that’s part of the reason I’m so enthused about this thread cum forum, as I’m rather tired of young artists getting taken for a ride, milked for all their parents’ money, and ending up with very little practical training in the end. In my opinion, Modernism devastated traditional art training (at least in the US, where it didn’t have the strongest foundation in the first place), and for that, I really want to express my most sincere gratitude <sarcasm dripping>!:smiley:

That’s my rant, and I’m sticking to it! :wink:

>If anyone should ever fancy doing a colour theory teaching thread along the same lines, that would be just amazing.

Ah, I know just the perfect person…I will contact him about running a Colour Theory thread. This is something I had considered doing…but my former professor is EXCELLENT and his knowledge goes far beyond mine…

~And oh, yes, your drawings look GREAT. KEEP GOING!!! :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#240

I almost blasted coke out my nose when I read this. :scream: Good stuff.

Excellent, definately need to change my tool set for that.

Painting sounds great, there’s an area I can really learn as my education is lacking in it.

stipick_S: Checked out Tiepolo, I really like this one. His rendering of light and shadow are outstanding.