because adobe is most likely implementing some features in CS5 that will be a real threat for Corel Painter. Mainly the mimicking of traditional brush behaviour looks really nice.
Learn more about it in this video here:
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/10/video_sneak_peek_of_new_photoshop_tech.html
CS5 and ArtRage 3 will be the final blow. Pattern and inking tools the japanese programs have that covered with SAI and IllustStudio, so Corel Painter will have very few if any selling points in the future.
I don’t know, it looks painfully slow… I cant possibly imagine artists using this for full digital painting.
Just like their 3D painting tool is painfully slow and wont replace ZBrush, MudBox or BodyPaint any time soon… Just having the feature is useless if it is sub-par or unusable.
And what’s with the guy talking like he’s on Sesame Street, selling PS to a bunch of kids… :hmm:
(And try ArtRage at print resolution, ~3000x3000 and up. Its not so great.)
Yeah…cuz the rotate feature in CS4 IS SO AWESOME…NOT.
Meh, I think the more Adobe tries to widen what Photoshop does, the more I don’t want to upgrade.
Hmm… I am just thinking of buying CS (I don’t have it).
Either that or upgrade to Painter 12 (if and when it arrives)… coz Painter 11 runs like crap on my brand new win7 system, and Painter IX.5 keeps on crashing and is ennoyingly buggy. (yes, my system is optimized)
The rotation function in the CS4 trial I had running a while ago, was supersmooth.
CS4 ran without any issues.
It is clear to me after this video though, that Adobe is aiming at people that want to turn photos into paintings, which is one of Painter’s main audiences, or at least Corel has marketed it as a strong feature of Painter. I bought this DVD with 12 issues of the official Corel Painter Magazine and in each issue there is at least one tutorial on how to turn photos into paintings while keeping brushwork to a minimum. This is also something a digital painter would never do/use (yuck! why not paint instead huh??).
Perhaps this feature is still in development (after the man says Adobe is working on it), but they thought it was good enough to make some of us warm for CS5…
Yeah ArtRage 2.5 is awful, I was talking about AR3, it looks promissing and they said they made a big perfomance improvement.
The demo of the brushes in CS5 is not so good, it looks just like the smudge brush on steroids, hopefully they’ll offer a better brush engine on the final version.
That CS5 painting feature looks like a gimmick to me. They’re talking about this new real paint emulation like they’ve got something there to build on. They’ve gone from no natural media whatsoever to what? - cutting edge? I don’t think so.
AR3 has recoded most of the brush engines and they are really slick, way ahead of Painter right now and quite a bit better than 2.5. Watercolour is amazing.
I’m a bit puzzled by people reporting slow-down for AR, I often work with 5000+ pixels and brushes of 300% (100+ pixels) and I’ve not experienced any slow-down.
I watched a video of this new paint tool and it looks like they approached it as “Hey, how can we be really clever and replicate how paints and brushes behave?” rather than “Hey, how can we allow the artist to replicate traditional media in digital”? Which is a very different thing. They haven’t even got anything to build on, just wham, here’s a tool for smearing paint around. Bizarre.
It reminds me of Moxi in that I’m sure the coding is cutting edge but can anyone actually paint anything with it? I know Moxi isn’t production but it’s the same principle. From that demo at least there’s nothing that suggests Adobe is interested in attracting “natural media” painters. Which is fine by me as I’ve got all I need in AR3 & Painter 
I’m not sure if I didn’t here that it IS Moxi licensed to Adobe. Like many big companies, they buy code, they don’t innovate themselves.
Thanks for explaining more, I get where you’re coming from. It’s more “Wowie! Zowie! Look at us!” type of razzle dazzle rather than “Hello, painters, we have a useful tool set for you, here’s why”.
All sizzle, not much steak! (So to speak!
BTW-as to AR3-you must be a beta tester? Like many, I’m counting the days til it’s released.
Cheers
Doug
Based on that conference video, Adobe is not a real threat to Corel…yet (that wet-on-wet was painfully slow). But if Adobe gets serious about developing a fast and powerful natural media emulation brush engine. . …
dbisme - Yeah, exactly. If that’s their best demo then I reckon there’s nothing there worth talking about. And nope, wasn’t on the Beta test but I did use the final Beta for an upcoming features article on AR3.
Lunatique - It would be interesting to see them produce a Photoshop “Paint” version but I think they’ll have a lot of catching up to do.
And we all know how easy it is to “Photoshop” images these days and totally doctor the images.
As of 30 seconds ago, AR3 has not been released yet. I know because I keep looking!
And Photoshop Paint is not even released-if ever.
So I guess my take on the whole thing is that if and when they are released, I’ll check both out. Until then, they don’t exist for me. Vapour ware until it hits the shelves and download pages folks!
Just wondering…
What do you “PS is too expensive” guys use when you want to use fonts expressively?
Painter doesn’t like fonts that much. It would be nice if there’s a program that is really good with fonts that is easy to combine with Painter.
Merely looking out for alternatives because PS is expensive after all and if I can avoid the costs, I will 
Thanks in advance!
I am patiently waiting for 12 because 11’s residual problems (even after the fix patch) have been very discouraging. I’m also hoping that Painter can finally mimic Photoshop’s default brush. I know that the Scratchboard Tool can almost do this, but leaves artifacts when turning/tilting the pen.
Almost every other way, Painter is my preference, but the ideal would be having Photoshop stability and technological power with Painter’s Gui, Brushes, Papers, and Color Wheel. I love how Painter can resize brushes, spin the canvas, and mouse-wheel-zoom at will.
I think the most unoriginal request would be to hope for a program with a mix of the two. I guess I won’t hold my breath (will continue to wait and see how 12 turns out.)
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