Open Figure Drawing Workshop 009 with Ben Miller and Rebeccak

#201

i agree :slight_smile:

but i still find it hard to learn with a wacomā€¦I find it almost impossible to get the shape you could get with a pencil on paper, and i consider digital methods to be a help in continueing the art, not create it. But iā€™ve seen things done only on computer that looked damn good! And i have to admit, day by day i find digital methods comeing handyerā€¦ And about two years ago i was against Photoshop, maby in a couple of years i will forget about pencils and paper :slight_smile:

time will decide wich is best - at least for me - because i have to see somebody incredibly good that started drowing in PS and reached an outstanding level just to convince myself :smiley:

anyway - iā€™ve just started my digital paintingā€¦ can i start a thread with this even thow it is not anatomy, but concepts too? Because i really donā€™t feel up to the 2D Finished work sectionā€¦

#202

Icey,

Feel free to create your own Anatomy Thread of Icey. :slight_smile:

I donā€™t want to get into a digital vs. traditional debate here, but letā€™s just say that I totally agree with SaraD that just because you have Ctrl + Z, doesnā€™t mean that you can be a great digital artist. :wink: That is far too simplistic, and just untrue.

Digital art and Traditional Art are peas in a pod to my mind.

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#203

To ā€¦Iceyā€¦SaraD ā€¦and anyone else who cares to read thisā€¦:slight_smile:

Tricks and manipulation have been used since the first artist arived on the scene, and
have been used in every medium that has ever been created.
To exclude them from your bag of tools, or tricks, would be a big mistake in my opinion.
It would simply mean that you are afraid of, or have not taken the time to MASTER, and
become MASTER OF the tools that have become available at this moment in time.
We are as artist, in the business of creating beauty ect. thru illusion, by whatever means
that become avalible to us.
FILTERS and MANIPULATION, ARE JUST ANOTHER SET OF TOOLS OR TRICKS, TO BE ā€¦
MASTERED, AND BECOME MASTER OF ā€¦:slight_smile:
The general public, or main audience, do not care, or know if filters and manipulation
were used to creat what they see. All they care about, is wheather they like it or not.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CHEATINGā€¦That is a restriction imposed upon artist, by
other artist, who have, and always have had the mentality, that is and has always been
ā€¦AFRAID OF CHANGEā€¦ :slight_smile:
If we never took advantage of what has become, and is avalible to us as artist, we would
STILL BE FINGER PAINTING, WITH MUD, ON STONE WALLSā€¦:slight_smile:

This is just my opinion on the subject of FILTERS AND MANIPULATION, IN THIS NEW MEDIUMā€¦:eek: ā€¦:slight_smile:

Take Care
Glenn

#204

Hi SpiritDreamer!
As I said - this can be a really delicate question.

My answer was regarding drawing skills. And that one could not learn to draw without a traditional pen an paper. I think you can.

I am also a big fan of all kind of digital art - handpainted or manipulated, 3D or illustrations. And when I say that people thinks I ā€œcheatā€ because I do it on the computer, doesnĀ“t mean that I think itĀ“s cheating to manip or use filters. I think you should be clear with what method you use, so that you donĀ“t give the impression that itĀ“s freepainted, when its a cloned or manipulated photo. ThatĀ“s cheating. But using filters in itself is of course not cheating.

And I donĀ“t exclude them from my bag of tools. Except from when IĀ“m trying to draw something, when IĀ“m trying to increase my skills in portraying the human body or the human face or whatever it is I am trying to capture on my canvas. Then they are not my tools. But when I do magazinecovers, bookcovers etc etc - they are one of my bets friends. IĀ“ve been working with the ā€œnewā€ tools in a long time, and I wouldnĀ“t trade for anything.

So, now I hope thereĀ“s noone out there who thinks IĀ“m putting there method down, whatever method that is. The first post was regarding drawingskills. Not what is art and not art. Anything can be art.

Time to draw. Time to create. Time to have fun. In any media, and with any tool.

#205

Hi SaraDā€¦:slight_smile:

Just trying to settle this debate over old fashsioned verses new fashsioned methods of
creating artā€¦
Whats new today, will be old tomarrow, and I am sure there will be more debate between
OLD and NEW ā€¦THERE and THEN alsoā€¦:slight_smile:

Heyā€¦By the wayā€¦I REALLY LIKE YOUR ā€¦DOODLEā€¦:bounce: ā€¦:thumbsup:

Take Care
Glenn

#206

Hey guys, :wink:

I like discussion, but letā€™s not turn this into and Art Theories and Techniques kind of thing ~ thatā€™s what that forum is for. :wink:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#207

Sure, always happy to help however I can (while hopefully avoiding the ā€œtoo much Benā€ syndrome :eek: ), what sorts of things would be helpful there and how do I contribute them?

#208

Ben,

No worries there :wink: if I can think of something, I will definitely ask youā€¦I really just meant having you continue to participate in the OFDWs with your images and comments, which are both very useful and much appreciated. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#209

todays little sketch

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#210

Wow, Per! Thatā€™s quite emotionally impactfulā€¦it reminds me quite favorably of the type of experimental collage work I did in one particularly great class where we were encouraged to really mix media / etc. ~ probably one of the best classes Iā€™ve had. Itā€™s really cool to see this translated in digital terms. The body is definitely really solid, I only think the face needs a bit of refinement / to make it a bit more solid and dimensional. Great piece! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#211

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