Open Figure Drawing Workshop 009 with Ben Miller and Rebeccak

#181

Morning Beckie :slight_smile: no news about #10 ? :scream: hahahahaā€¦ Iā€™m hot :banghead: :arteest:

#182

Morning, Lolo ~

Open Figure Drawing Workshop 010 with Hong Ly and Rebeccak
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=304947

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I accept apologiesā€¦:wise:

#183

Thanksā€¦ of course Beckieā€¦ you know meā€¦ as usually, Iā€™ve searched during few minutes without resultsā€¦ :shrug: :scream: hahahahaā€¦ Iā€™m always terribly LeNutā€¦ :banghead:

Can you accept a ton of personal apoligies dear ? :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Now, you can choose my puniton thenā€¦ :deal:

#184

Originally posted by LeNut: Thanksā€¦ of course Beckieā€¦ you know meā€¦ as usually, Iā€™ve searched during few minutes without resultsā€¦ :shrug: :scream: hahahahaā€¦ Iā€™m always terribly LeNutā€¦ :banghead:

Can you accept a ton of personal apoligies dear ? :bowdown:

Ummā€¦okay! :scream:

Now, you can choose my puniton thenā€¦ :deal:

Hmmā€¦:twisted:ā€¦free modeling? :scream: :bounce:

#185

Rebeccak - hope i wownā€™t dissapoint you ā€¦ iā€™m not that good you knowā€¦

these are some of my warmup studysā€¦ :slight_smile:


#186

Hi,

Icey - those look grrrreat!

I refined my lines a little and tried some watercolor.
I hope my little experiment helped to develop my eye for lines a bitā€¦ the next OFDWs will showā€¦

#187

Icey - if those were mine, they would be the result of years of hard work - not ā€œwarm-upsā€ :bowdown:

I really like them, and they inspire me to try to draw and sketch those models in traditional media. So, IĀ“m going out tomorrow to by some good old paper and pens (pencils?). What shall I start with? IĀ“ve never done ā€œtraditionalā€ art och sketchingā€¦ Give me some hints where to start!

#188

Sara, iā€™m very glad you liked them! :slight_smile: Wellā€¦ there are about 3 years of studysā€¦ And your decision is the best!! Iā€™m very glad you give me the chance to say this:

i donā€™t know whatā€™s the rush with the grafic tablet and photoshop/painterā€¦ Nobody ever learned like that! Nobody! Not Rebecca, not the people that you admire the most - for certain! The only way to study is by getting a pen and paper and looooong hours strugleing to get the shape/effects you want! Photoshop& wacom gives you the folse impression that youā€™ve learned something if youā€™ve done the shape and randering rightā€¦ It gives you more options of colour, it gives you infinit correction possibilitys and takes your mind from whatā€™s really important : THE DROWING SKILLS THEMSELFS!- the construction, the perception of volume, the perception of mouvement, gravity, etc.
I have to admit - drowing after pictures on a certain point does the same- i can feel it day after day! - the right thing is to drow after life/model.

about your question (sorry for the delay) - get some textured paper - you can touch it befor buying and feel the texture - it has to be a general all-way one - you can find paper with only horizontal texture - thatā€™s for paintingā€¦ itā€™s not good for sketchinā€¦ About pencils - i suggest micanical pencils - they never get short (like the wood ones) the stay sharp much easyer - the one that supports larger mines have sharping tools on back. Watch that the softness of the mine to be at least 2B (for the 0.5 -0.7 -0.9 mechanical pencils) up to 4B on the larger ones! It is important because they give personality to your line! - youā€™ll see! :wink: I suggest to buy sketchbooks - they have quite a lot of pages - itā€™ll come cheaper and have special textures - you donā€™t have to search for paper all the time :wink: - and they are easyer to handle!

This is the start! - not wacom, not photoshop! The very beginning! Do this and get here for more advices! I have a lot in my head and iā€™ll be glad to share them with you! :slight_smile:

good luck!

#189

Icey - if the snowstorm allows me to, IĀ“ll drive to the store tomorrow (I live out in nowhere-land) and I print your reply and hand it to the clerk - ā€œthis is what I needā€

But IĀ“ll sure as hell (pardon the french) need some help and since thereĀ“s no drawingclasses in my town (and come on - to be realistic - with children, horses, dogs and fulltime-job the time to draw is at night and few schools are open then) you can count on that IĀ“m gonna have tons of questions down the road. IĀ“ll keep your head busy :thumbsup:

//Sara

#190

SaraD,

For drawing supplies, check out the following thread (which is by no means a comprehensive list, but should get you started): :slight_smile:

[b]Traditional Drawing Supplies

[/b]Hope this helps! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#191

Icey,

Finally get to see your work! :slight_smile:

Your work is beautiful ~ do not belittle it. :slight_smile: Itā€™s not to say that itā€™s perfect, but you certainly have a lot of talent and drive, and I would caution you against saying that you ā€˜arenā€™t that goodā€™, as itā€™s just not true. :slight_smile:

Do you study the work of Ingres and some of the Classical Drawing masters? I think you would quite like the work (drawings) of Ingres, and his follower Degas. Degasā€™ drawings, while looser (more impressionistic, as the term goes) are breathtakingly beautiful. Iā€™d be interested to know which artists you are interested in the most. :slight_smile:

With respect to traditional vs. digital art ~ there are two sides to this coin. And I would caution one against saying that to learn digitally first is not a good thing ~ it really depends on the person.

My personal thought is that, yes, it is good to learn traditionally first, digitally second. However, bear in mind that folks who contribute their work to this forum are coming from a number of different backgrounds ~ some are traditionally trained artists, such as yourself, but some are also programmers, hobbyists without prior training, 3D artists, etc. Itā€™s what makes this community so unique and special. :slight_smile:

And, bear in mind that this is primarily a 3D Graphics website. :slight_smile: People primarily come here to learn digital skills, and are pleasantly surprised to find traditional work in itā€™s midst. I think the confluence of traditional and digital skills is a great thing, and I am all for all kinds of art ~ digital, traditional, abstract, even some kinds of performance / installation art, and definitely illustration. :slight_smile:

But, fundamentally, I agree that traditional drawing and painting is a very helpful skillset for any digital artist. The OFDWs are here to help interested artists work in the media of their choice. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#192

Mr. Mu,

I quite like this latest work, and think youā€™ve done a tremendous job with finding the balance and sense of weight with the pose. :slight_smile: I think the Sketchathon has helped! Nice work. I look forward to what you will do in the next OFDW. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#193

thanks rebecca for taking the time to check this out and even reply after the workshop officially timed out - appreciate it as everything you say and do hereā€¦:slight_smile:

#194

No prob, Mr. Mu. :wink: Hope you had a great holiday! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rk

#195

hehe

thank you rebecca! :slight_smile:

wellā€¦ yesā€¦ there is this part- 3Dā€¦ Wellā€¦ i think 3D is another point of viewā€¦ Because as a 3D artist i donā€™t think you need that much traditional skills! A 3D artist knows the forms from heā€™s point of view - and thatā€™s another story! And for him, Photoshop is very god for after randering effects.
But i consider this kiind of art something a little diffrent (and i must say that i admire a lot 3D artists! I donā€™t know much about what program is the best, but i will someday - sooon! - want to start ā€œthe 3D lifeā€ - it is deffinitly my next best step!:slight_smile: )

i have never heared of Ingres till nowā€¦ Or maby i did and i donā€™t know who he is, but i will deffinitly check him up! :smiley:

#196

Icey,

Will reply to your PM soon. :slight_smile:

#197

Iā€™d just like to take the opportunity to thank Ben for being a wonderful model for the OFDWs, and Iā€™m happy that heā€™s been such an integral and great part of these Workshops. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#198

Thanks very much, Rebecca! Thatā€™s extremely kind of you to say and I very much appreciate it.

Iā€™m only too pleased to have been involved and to have had the opportunity and thank you and everyone here for that opportunity. I hope that Iā€™ve been helpful and am quite willing to be helpful again when/if the opportunity arises. I strongly believe in the good influence that figure-based art can have on our world/society/culture and am only too pleased, if not anxious to support it as best I can. As I cannot draw (and have only ever frustrated myself in my attempts, so Iā€™ve pretty much given up attempting), thereā€™s only one way for me to (directly) contribute. I donā€™t think I can clap loudly enough or be supportive enough to express my appreciation for artists that develop such amazing talent and skill and that use that to express so beautifully the wonder and beauty that is humanity through figurative artworks.

#199

Ben,

Thank you! Very well~put. :slight_smile: We most definitely appreciate your contribution, and look forward to having you be a part of future OFDWs, as well as your contributions to the Anatomy Forum whenever you feel so moved. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#200

Hi Icey
as Rebeccak said, thereĀ“s two coins to that discussion. And it can be a delicate one:)

I think you can get your skills from many different medias. What you train is your ability to draw what you see, and understand it. Whether you do it with a pen or a wacom-pen. The technique of ā€œputtingā€ the shapes, forms and movement down is different but the technique behind is the same. You study your object, you find the angles, the directions and the values. And you draw them. I draw them on a wacom and screen you draw them on paper. Yes - I have the option to hit ā€œundoā€. But you can erase. In my case I donĀ“t use photoshop, I use Painter - no filter, no manipulation. I would love to learn the technique of drawing with a traditional pen. And I think, after a while of getting use to it and learning the media, that I would reach the same level more or less, that I have with my wacom-pen.

As a digital artist people often have the impression that I ā€œcheatā€. That I take a photo and just copy it. ThatĀ“s not true. The drawing skills has to be there, how can I otherwise find the form, shapes and volume? I agree that you have more options in colour - but it is hard to master all those options. Just as hard as it is to master them painting in traditional oilā€¦

IĀ“ve worked a long time in the graphicbusiness. So long that I started before the computer hit town. So, iĀ“ve been doinĀ“ my thing the very old, traditional way. But I would never say to one of my design students, that they have to go back to that way of working, because thatĀ“s where you have to start. But I do tell, that the things that were true then, is often true now as well. Even though the media and methods has changed.

And I think thatĀ“s the most important. The computer should never allow us to do a lesser job, than what they could achive all those years ago without themā€¦