Noob On Nudes

#21

Is that what you really believe? The resurgence in traditional values is due to an aging society coming to grips with it’s mortality and the realization that the world does not revlove around them. No one’s work is being undone, it’s progress. It’s a higher state of conciousness. FYI, 20 years ago Jello Biafra was on trial for a Gieger painting he included on an album cover, and the PMRC launched it’s attack on musicians, and the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund was formed to defend independent comic artists, writers, publishers and retailers who were being bombarded with obscenity charges.

I’m not offended by nudity, however, much of the nudity you find in people’s work here is nothing more than a sensational product of the artist’s arrested development.

#22

there are no full nudes in mine,their parts are all covered in some way.

jmBoekestein: contradiction,where?

#23

Well, for instance you put sticky tape on their nipples, if that’s implying you’re not using sex as an element to the painting, then she has some huge boobs NOOB. In this thread you seem to be saying that you yourself would also disagree, either sarcastically shrugging it off or underlying it’s validity when it comes to senseless nudity. Just curious as to the motivation of the women in your piece. Which has nice colouring btw, and I find the shadow on her underlines what I’m saying, if you get my point. Just seem a little dualistic to me.

#24

huge boobs? look regular size to me,theres no sex involved.and obviously the image itself has it story nipples removed ,this is part of the masters decreasing reproduction but u’ll have to read up my thread to understand it.

but yeh,in short i don’t really like nudity by that i mean in MY stuff so i will try my best to cover things up or shadow things out as u mentioned,but the women are slaves/servants in my pic and not worthy of clothing,thats what i wanted to emphasise,thats why they aren’t wearing much,nothing more than that.

and i don’t think i contradict myself in any way,correct me if i’m wrong.

#25

Makes perfect sense that way… But it wasn’t obvious to me that they weren’t worthy of clothes though. I think that would be more apparent if you gave them very poor looking clothes, there would be the contrast between value in the same element. But that’s my opinion.

Good luck with it. Interesting piece nonetheless.:slight_smile:

#26

well thanks on that note.

and if u didn’t know already,i’m into surreal art,so the reason i didn’t give poor looking clothes is because the art of surrealism usaully takes things to the extreme.not just ur regular.

and also jm,after the who can call themselves an artist thread,i want u to know i still have the same respect for u as i had from the start,theres no beef between us…oh look a slang word for ya,heh.

so keep up the good work.

#27

hats off to that, thx.:slight_smile:

#28

i think i understood your intent in your image, but its always worth hearing about nudity in your own images, if we’r having a discussion about it, so thanks for elaborating… btw, i subscribed to your m & S quite some time ago, i like how its coming on, hope you finish it as you intend to

as for nude in my art, its mostly been for pure technical study of the human body… I recently bough ‘Anatomy for the Artist’ Sarah Simblet… amazing book… so basically, all nudity in my art has definite purpose, that is, improving my skills

#29

Nudity is one thing, vapid, gratuitous sexual cliches are another.

Gord

#30

Ah I’d like to add to that on my own work to contrast:)

I definitely am using nudity to hint at sexuality in my thingy >>here<< motivation behind it though is to depict several things that are completely bound to love as in “adult” love. Sex plays a part and that’s just undeniable. But is it “blinding” is what I’d like to know?

#31

I find the female nudity in the masters’ art is just strikingly beautiful; however, I do agree that use of nudity can be just for elevation of audience numbers.

I, as a rule I set to myself, cloth my women with drapery, yet keep the Sensual parts exposed(neck, thighs, shoulders).

However, with male figures I just do whatever.

But my favorite drawings are when women have drapery on them, like Boreas (I just love the depiction of beauty in it).

btw: A woman’s face has all the provocative marks, no need for breats(although they don’t hurt :twisted: ).

#32

thanks for the thread subscription,i’m still working on it.

i’ll probably do a search for anatomy for the artist if its as good as u say.

#33

Its £25 at waterstone/RRP, but i got it from play.com £18.99 delivered, well worth it in my opinion

http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=sr&page=title&r=BOOK&title=198314

its actually hard back by the way

#34

Depiction of sexuality isn’t a problem (many great art works are erotic ) - but I do get very tired of bad (not bad as in morally bad - just bad) imagery which use sexuality as a cheap prop to grab attention. It seems like such a waste of time.

Gord

#35

When I was younger, I did more gratuitous stuff, but as I got older, I stopped because, well, to put it simply, it’s cheap and degrading not only to the subject you depict, but to your own integrity as a person. What you choose to depict in your artwork directly reflects your taste as a human being. Are you cheap and shallow, or are you profound and intelligent?

If I ever depict nudity, there must be a reason beyond gratuitous flaunting. I’ve used nudity to express vulnerability, and I’ve used it to express intimacy of a loved one. And I have plans to use it to express honesty and truth in a future piece. IMO, that’s is how you should use nudity–with meaning and feeling. If you want to depict honest sexuality, then do it with conviction. Even that is better than smug gratuity.

Don’t get me wrong, I like classy pinups as much as any healthy male. But, classy is the keyword there. Cheap stuff is just vulgar and only appeals to the most primal and base instinct we have as humans. Sometimes, that’s all you want out of something, but moderation is another key there. If someone has an obsession with the vulgar and cheap stuff, then what can you draw as a conclusion about that person’s taste?

#36

Ah, finally someone begins to touch apon the difference between “nude” and “naked”. A nude is designed to be put on display, to pander to the tastes of the viewer and be their fantasy. To show a naked person is to express who they are beyond all pretex and disguise, to expose their inner self.
When someone is naked in an image there is a purpose behind it, when they are nude the purpose is wholy for the enjoyment of the viewer.

#37

Next up…gratuitous violence in modern day films…she-bang…pdaram-bhuhm…

#38

the appeal of nudity is, as most people here agree, discerned by the viewer. i personally agree with noob, in that nudity in pictures should be used with some sort of artistic intent, rather than as just an easy way out. getting people turned on by nudity can also be artistically valid, but the piece itself should convey some justification for it.
i think the main problem is when people pigeonhole themselves into using sex appeal constantly.
i remember a couple years ago, i used stahlberg’s public image as an example for a similar topic (i also remember him misunderstanding what i meant, and getting pissed at me). when people think ‘stahlberg’, they think scantily clad amazon women, when infact he has an incredible amount of variety under his belt. but you have to admit that a significant part of stahlberg’s popularity is due to his use of sex appeal, and i admit that after a while i sort of tire of it.
but it’s the same thing with people who do nothing but model cars, or people who only animate bipedal characters.
everyone should try and challenge themselves in creating something sexy, just don’t let it consume you. if i get good at something, i tend to stay away from it for a bit and try something else. it’s the only way to grow.

#39

how funny that we should have such a debate on something which is seemingly one of the most natural things… human nudity… in western society, its restricted, therefore is lusted for… so the naked form is exploited… and thats why pornography sells… the forbidden fruit… biggest taboo in society could be compared with [slight overreaction?] breathing

#40

i already said at the begginining that i find it odd how humans are offended by the human body.

when u put it like that,u think why are humans so f**kin stupid don’t ya.

oh no!!!,i can see a vagina,if it wasn’t for one of em i wudn’t have been born…but i’m still offended.

:rolleyes: …