NewTek CORE discussion and information

#581

Actually… no one KNEW what the CORE announcement was going to be. That was part of the marketing hype. And… it worked. And it’s STILL working since everyone is talking about it. Any publicity is good publicity… :slight_smile:

tell that to Michael Jackson

#582

I don’t work in marketing, and I enjoy Bill Hicks. That’s probably why I think claiming that publicity is inherently positive is wrong :slight_smile:

Pooby for the win :slight_smile:

#583

…and his nose.

#584

NewTek’s pricing system is REALLY SIMPLE. So please, try to understand. It’s actually the best pricing structure of any 3D software company, except for maybe Blender :wink:

If you purchase a membership to HardCORE, you are paying for the final product. You get the final product just like everyone else - in fact, you get it for cheaper! Where’s the problem exactly? Just because they also give you optional access to the developers and the latest builds, does NOT mean you are at all required to test those builds! The optional beta testing is for enthusiasts who like to be the first to see and use new technology.

HardCORE membership DOES NOT equal beta testing. Beta testing is just an added perk.

I’m really starting to think that some people WANT to misunderstand… because it really isn’t difficult.

#585

Sorry… But… I think I would take the word of actual ADVERTISING professionals and their books over 3D artists on a forum… :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

That’s obvious. Some people ONLY see the glass as half (or more) empty. :wink:

#586

I’m also not sure why peeps are complaining about the pricing.

Basically I haven’t paid for LW in what? 1.5, 2 years now after upgrading from v8?

All they’re saying is for $395, you’ll get core when it’s released and similar to LW’s v9x beta cycle, you’ll get access to a special forum and the devs - nothing has really changed here.

This is basically a V10 (or Core if you prefer) upgrade along with beta access similar to what folks did with v9x.

The only thing different is now they WILL be charging yearly unlike what they did this last development cycle going over the year mark without charging.

I would think after almost 2 years, Newtek would need some money - don’t you?

Spending $400 is kinda cheap considering I just spent $1800 to upgrade my v6 XSI to v7 AND $600 to upgrade my Cinema 4D - I got hit HELLA HARD last year.

To me Newtek has the best hobbyist friendly pricing out there! (Well besides Pixologic!) Sure it’s not FREE, but it’s not $1000+/year like some 3D hauses are charging!

I’m definitely gonna hafta let XSI go after v7 (considering who now owns it now and their pricing schemes) and I would love to drop C4D - provided Newtek can get my MOI objects to look just as good after import as they do in Cinema 4D.

All this software is expensive and trying to hold on to them all in this economy (for a hobbyist as well) just ain’t gonna fly with my wallet this year…

-Will

#587

Some people don’t even have a glass, just a ring on the table where the glass used to be. :stuck_out_tongue:

#588

nothing is expensive if you make money with it… i own lw i make money i bought core i will make money with core… i have invested like what 400 $ in core? big deal… if i invested 1500$ i would again say BIG deal why? i make money out of tools that is main difference… any1 complaining on 400 600 1000 1500 and than pay it off 20 times round in just single year is at least stupid… when i buy new workstation i dont look how much it cost… i just put best cpu/ gfx card/ display/ etc… and i do not regret on that… i need powerfull work enviroment to deliver good quality to customers… so complaining on 400$ for core subscription is really funny… developers need money to develop . if we give them money they can hire more engineers, if there is more engineers we will get more frequent updates and better tools to work with… simple as that.
so once again . lw core subscription is steal and i am sure once it shape in production ready enviroment every1 will start to pay it off and probable pay off in half of month.
big deal

#589

Well I had a full glass,
until that horrible video drained every last bit of water out of it, then shattered the glass!

The hype has passed without them trying to redeem themselves, that tells me how far along their dev is.

Not saying the core is going to suck, just saying we anit getting it in q4… sound familiar!

#590

i think it looks awesome,
just show me the new weightpaint and skinning process already.

#591

What looks awesome?

Weight paint SOUNDS nice though… Hope they dont try and reuse any of the paint we have in modeler.

#592

@ mav3rick
I know what you’re saying on the business end user vs hobbiest.
Many times over the years I was very tempted to leave Lightwave. Came very close to doing so. The last time was on LW8’s release.

At one point I did the time line research on the overall cost of making the switch to Maya. The costs were more than I could bear to pass on to my clients. This didn’t include the time it would take me to become proficient enough to have Maya as my core app.

In a business environment Lightwave is far and away the most client friendly. The **** against LW was that it fell behind so badly that its cost of operation was losing traction. Core is the answer to that. Sure there is a price structure thats changed, but I’ll gladly pay said fee in exchange for fresh foundation to be built on.

#593

@ mav3rick as well…

I’d be surprised that it was any >business owners< cryin broke on $400 - I’d believe (and expect) that the folks upset over the pricing ARE the hobbyists.

I’m a hobbyist but I’m also a software engineer by profession that (fortunately), pays well and allows me to indulge my fantasies of being a graphics artist / game designer…

So while I can afford to (look the other way and) purchase these wares, I certainly feel the stings at upgrade time because I don’t >regularily< make money with these apps. Every now and then yes, but they’re certainly not self-supporting come upgrade time every year for me.

Anybody that makes money with LW and are complaining about $400 must have had a bad year (or two) to now complain about paying for an upgrade.

The business folks I’d imagine would be the ones complaining about proof before they outlay - I can’t imagine any other complaints from the business end??

-Will

#594

Well then I’ll tell ya what… you can’t see. How many people have posted here and on the Newtek forums discussing exactly WHAT THEY SAW - NOT the presentation itself? Ifd you really took the time to LOOK, you would see what there is to be excited about. But again, you apparently are deluding yourself thinking that you saw “the full glass.”

Newtek has already apologized for the snafu’s in the presentation. And what exactly did they promise you? NO ONE knew what to expect. No one knew whether it was an announcment of a new product or a beta or anything. IT WAS A TEASER. And there will be more to come. I suppose you expected them to come out and have a 30 minute video showing clips of everything that CORE will be able to do? Stop being unrealistic and TRY to see what they have shown you.

Sheesh.

#595

Actually… we have had a REALLY bad year ('08) and '07 wasn’t much better. And… '09 looks to be even worse. But having said that… so what? We have ten seats of LW and although we won’t be able to upgrade to CORE on most of them at the low price of $395, I’ll probably be upgrading two - one for me and one for an employee that we had to lay off. I don’t REALLY see how ANYONE can complain about the pricing - especially since every other 3D program out there STILL costs more. With the exception of Blender and trueSpace. And CORE looks like it will finally kick some azz and will be doing many/most of the things that the top contenders are doing AND for a much lower price than any of them.

This bad economy will pass and LW will be helping me make even more money in the future. :slight_smile:

#596

Yeah… you are right!
I must have missed something.

PS
I am sick of apologies from NT
Them being unprofessional reflects upon its users.
After 15 years they should have this stuff ironed out!!!

I could have done without the apology and taken some proof…

If you feel like telling me what I missed… I am all ears!

#597

This sounds typical… have someone else do the work for you. :wink:

Are you still banned from the Newtek forums? Or have you got yet another screen name? You are WELL KNOWN for your anti-Newtek raves. If you REALLY wanted to find out what is great about CORE, you would - but you won’t. But then… I don’t care. :slight_smile:

#598

This sounds typical… have someone else do the work for you.
Not sure what you are implying? If you want to elaborate…

yeah, I can still go on NT, dont very often though. I did yesterday to see if I could find any info on core.

I said in earlier post that I believe the core will end up great…And I am upgrading, but not cause of anything on that video.

#599

Uh? Are you serious about that statement?

I am all ears!

No, you are not. If you were, you’ve already “got it”. You, are apparently a troll.

#600

And this is exactly why I’m upgrading - definitely not becuse of the video!

This was the one time I decided being at work or not, I"ma watch this “event” and what did I get to see?

“5…, 4…, 3…, 2… 1… 0 - One Moment Please……,” (20 minutes later) "One Moment Please… "

I didn’t get to see JACK until the next day when someone posted a direct link.

And what I saw didn’t knock off my socks like what I saw for ZBrush 3 or XSI 7 but >I knew< it was time to upgrade Lightwave something that I haven’t done in ~2 years.

The $395 price even though I’m dead broke right now due to the wifey having me remodeling practically the whole 2nd floor of our home is something I’m fortunately enough to be able to foot by March 31st.

I like Lightwave, I’m hoping that it can become a package that will let me drop XSI and C4D but that’s all it is for me, I know it’s upgrade time plain and simple.

-Will