New WS based in Xeon E5-2650 v3

[josu]

Hi friends,
Everything right?

We are thinking in purchase a new WS, our idea was it the Xeon e5-2660 v2 but today I have saw the v3 series and a motherboard 2011-3 socket.
I have been looking for information in google, but there are not enough at the moment.
What do you know about it? Is it better than V2?

for example in this confirguration:

[font=Arial]ASUS Server MB Z10PR-D16 C612 DDR 4EEB [/font]

[font=Arial]2x [/font][font=Arial]Intel Xeon E5-2650v3 10x 2.30GHz So.2011-3[/font]

[font=Arial]2x [/font][font=Arial]8GB Crucial DDR4-2133 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit[/font]

[font=Arial]2x [/font][font=Arial]Arctic Cooling Freezer i30 Tower Kühler[/font]

[font=Arial]Thermaltake Urban S71 mit Sichtfenster Midi [/font]

[font=Arial]650 Watt Seasonic G Series Modular 80+ Gold[/font]

[font=Arial]Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD-RW SATA 1.5Gb/s intern[/font]

[font=Arial]240GB SanDisk Extreme PRO 2.5" (6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s[/font]

[font=Arial]500GB WD Black [/font]

[font=Arial]2048MB EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti FTW ACX Cooler Aktiv PCIe3.0 x16 (Retail)[/font]

[font=Arial]Thanks in advance for your help.[/font]
regards

Josu

[mirkoj]

what will be primary task for it, what it will be used for?

[imashination]

That machine makes absolutely no sense for any possible use. Dual 10 core xeons at a paltry 2.3GHz are a very slow chip for workstation usage at an incredibly high price, that cpu hardly even has a reason to exist.

For a 3000+ euro machine, the geforce 750 is pretty much as bottom end as it gets before you hit onboard gfx. 16 gigs of ram for a 40 thread machine? again, it just makes no sense, that is a pretty low amount of ram for a new machine where the budget isnt tight.

650 watts will struggle to power a dual xeon machine, you should be looking a bit higher than that. 500 gig harddrive. Did I wake up in the year 2000?

This machine is a render node, at best, I would never suggest this as a workstation. I just built a new machine last week for about the same amount of money, maybe take this as a starting point.

MSI X99S Motherboard
i7 5960x cpu
32 gigs ddr 4 memory (8 gig sticks)
geforce 980
700 watt psu
H110 cpu cooler.

Throw in whatever harddrives you want and youre at about the same price. Next spend the best part of 10 seconds in the bios and set the cpu speed to somewhere between 4 and 4.5ghz. This will give you a gfx card x4 faster, a cpu which lets you edit x2 faster in exchange for being 20% slower on some renders, and offers twice the memory.

[sentry66]

yeah I agree with imashination, unless you’re really uncomfortable with overclocking, but you’re already building the machine yourself anyway.

IMO the main reason to go with xeons for CG work is if you’re going for a top-end system with a dual E5-2687 v3, need more than 64 gigs ram, or specifically need more PCI-E lanes for multi-GPU rendering and/or fast PCI-E SSD’s.

Even then, no xeon can match an overclocked i7 in single-threaded tasks. In the case of xeon 2650’s, they’d be half as fast at single-threading. Even if a dual 2650 v3 system is 20% faster at multi-threading than an overclocked 5960x for rendering, oftentimes rendering has numerous single-threaded calculations at the beginning stage of rendering that will negate that 20% advantage.

[josu]

Many thanks for the reply.
I am not an expert about it, my apology.
The target for this WS will be to work in 3D, render and image retouch all as quick as possible.
The last paragraph I do not understand fully… sorry.

That machine makes absolutely no sense for any possible use. Dual 10 core xeons at a paltry 2.3GHz are a very slow chip for workstation usage at an incredibly high price, that cpu hardly even has a reason to exist.

For a 3000+ euro machine, the geforce 750 is pretty much as bottom end as it gets before you hit onboard gfx. 16 gigs of ram for a 40 thread machine? again, it just makes no sense, that is a pretty low amount of ram for a new machine where the budget isnt tight.

650 watts will struggle to power a dual xeon machine, you should be looking a bit higher than that. 500 gig harddrive. Did I wake up in the year 2000?

This machine is a render node, at best, I would never suggest this as a workstation. I just built a new machine last week for about the same amount of money, maybe take this as a starting point.

MSI X99S Motherboard
i7 5960x cpu
32 gigs ddr 4 memory (8 gig sticks)
geforce 980
700 watt psu
H110 cpu cooler.

Throw in whatever harddrives you want and youre at about the same price. Next spend the best part of 10 seconds in the bios and set the cpu speed to somewhere between 4 and 4.5ghz. This will give you a gfx card x4 faster, a cpu which lets you edit x2 faster in exchange for being 20% slower on some renders, and offers twice the memory.

[josu]

Ok ok, many thanks both.
I am seeing that this kind of process are not recommended for 3d max and vray for example.
I appreciate a lot your help correcting my mistakes.
I am going to see these components in my supplier and worth it.

Talk soon.

[josu]

Good morning friends.

I have spoken with the seller and he said me that OC an i7 is very difficult for an inexpert like me and expensive as well.
As well he spoken to me about Xeon 2660 v3, he think that is better but is complicated to build correctly, especially for the ram memory and power supply.

so I continue as before :banghead:

[Srek]

Good morning friends.

I have spoken with the seller and he said me that OC an i7 is very difficult for an inexpert like me and expensive as well.

You should talk to an idependent technician, not to a salesman that wants to sell Xeon workstations
These days OCing an i7 K or X series is about as easy as changing your desktop background. Modern BIOS and Mainboards make it realy easy. It becomes more complicated if you want to push it to the maximum, but basic OCing is realy easy and not expensive at all.

[sirio]

Good morning friends.

I have spoken with the seller and he said me that OC an i7 is very difficult for an inexpert like me and expensive as well.
As well he spoken to me about Xeon 2660 v3, he think that is better but is complicated to build correctly, especially for the ram memory and power supply.

so I continue as before :banghead:

Lol… Next time just try to ask to somebody who don’t want to sell you something.
Many people still thinks the more core the better… we come to a point in which this is only partially true. Only a few tasks will benefit from many core(like rendering and simulation). For everything else you need just more single core speed and Xeon can’t compete with i7 on this because they are specifically conceived for multitreated parallel computing and power efficiency(and only a small part of our workflow is made of that unless you spend everyday all of your time rendering).
If you want a fast machine for work buy a 6/8core OC i7, great speed for editing and decent rendering as well, also much cheaper than a Xeon rig. If you lack render speed just add a render slave, you will have more render power than dual Xeon for less money.
If you need a fast machine for rendering go for a dual Xeon, the more core the better, but be aware that with just 2.3ghz your system will be vastly outperformed by any i7 out there for most of the other tasks.
If you look for a good balance of both worlds then go for the fastest 8/10core dual Xeon, you will have good editing speed and good rendering speed. Of course it will be much pricier than i7 alternative.

[vlad]

Good morning friends.

I have spoken with the seller and he said me that OC an i7 is very difficult for an inexpert like me and expensive as well…

… :rolleyes:

The problem with those store clerks is that they wouldnt tell Houdini from QuarkXpress. They know their hardware specs but they dont have a single clue about each particular dcc software actual requirements. So they just push for Xeons and Quadros and figure it universally applies to everything. You’ll be much better informed with someone who actually works day in day out with the same programs you work with and is the least bit interested in the hardware he’s using. I’d look for the hardware section of some CG thing forum…

[imashination]

Good morning friends.

I have spoken with the seller and he said me that OC an i7 is very difficult for an inexpert like me and expensive as well.
As well he spoken to me about Xeon 2660 v3, he think that is better but is complicated to build correctly, especially for the ram memory and power supply.

so I continue as before :banghead:

He is trying to sell you an expensive system where he makes more profit, take his advice with caution as it is for his benefit, not yours.

The last paragraph I wrote; most processors you buy are rated to run at a certain frequency, with a set voltage and they will create a certain amount of heat. If you purchase an upgraded cooling system, then you can increase the voltage to the processor, turn up the speed and enjoy a faster computer for basically the low cost of a better cooling system. This process is called overclocking.

To do it, you enter the computer’s startup settings called the bios, just press ‘delete’ when you turn your computer on. In here you can select all sorts of things, but the important bit will be listed as the multiplier. Just select it with your mouse and turn it up until the computer lists the speed you would like it to run at. If you increase it a modest amount (for example from 3GHz to 4GHz) then all it will take you is a few seconds to find the setting and then press save.

[umblefugly]

Don’t forget to run it through Prime95 though, make sure your OC is stable.

[okmijun]

Good morning friends.

I have spoken with the seller and he said me that OC an i7 is very difficult for an inexpert like me and expensive as well.
As well he spoken to me about Xeon 2660 v3, he think that is better but is complicated to build correctly, especially for the ram memory and power supply.

so I continue as before :banghead:

Please, let me guess what that HW seller told you?
“Do not listen these CGTalk guys! They dont want you to have excellent HW!!”
Am I right?
I am sorry if that is true, because IT IS NOT true, at least.
4930/5930/5280 is awsome money/speed CPU
along with
GTX760/770/970 is the best for your money.
Paired with 32GB Non-ECC ram…ofcourse…

Good luck!

[josu]

Thanks a lot everyone, fantastic people¡¡¡

My finally decisition will be xeon v2 or v3. This thread from Sirio made me think:

“If you look for a good balance of both worlds then go for the fastest 8/10core dual Xeon, you will have good editing speed and good rendering speed. Of course it will be much pricier than i7 alternative.”

Now the second question nowadays which choose Xeon E5 2660v2 or E5 2650v3. My worry is concerning to the compatibility between components o more important with 3d studio, vray or adobe suite, among others…

p.d. I think with 16 gigas ecc reg or ddr4 per procerss it is enough, no?

Again, thanks a lot guys¡

[Srek]

Thanks a lot everyone, fantastic people¡¡¡

My finally decisition will be xeon v2 or v3. This thread from Sirio made me think:

“If you look for a good balance of both worlds then go for the fastest 8/10core dual Xeon, you will have good editing speed and good rendering speed. Of course it will be much pricier than i7 alternative.”

Now the second question nowadays which choose Xeon E5 2660v2 or E5 2650v3. My worry is concerning to the compatibility between components o more important with 3d studio, vray or adobe suite, among others…

p.d. I think with 16 gigas ecc reg or ddr4 per procerss it is enough, no?

Again, thanks a lot guys¡

I have to disagree with Sirio here, a 2.2 or 2.3 GHz Xeon, like the ones you picked out, does NOT make a decent workstation it will make for a slow Workstation that is good at rendering. That’s what all the help you got was about. Feel free to ignore it, but don’t be surprised if the resulting machine does not meet your expectations.
As for the choice between the two bad choices, it doesn’t matter, all of the software you mention will run on both equally well. The small technological advances of the v3 (AVX 2) does not make any noticeable difference to you or the apps.
32 GB for the system sounds like the useful minimum to me, the number of processors generally does not come into the calculation for the memory. Only very few, very badly multithreaded, apps that run copies of itself on each core would need to be calculated like that.

[josu]

I have to disagree with Sirio here, a 2.2 or 2.3 GHz Xeon, like the ones you picked out, does NOT make a decent workstation it will make for a slow Workstation that is good at rendering. That’s what all the help you got was about. Feel free to ignore it, but don’t be surprised if the resulting machine does not meet your expectations.
As for the choice between the two bad choices, it doesn’t matter, all of the software you mention will run on both equally well. The small technological advances of the v3 (AVX 2) does not make any noticeable difference to you or the apps.
32 GB for the system sounds like the useful minimum to me, the number of processors generally does not come into the calculation for the memory. Only very few, very badly multithreaded, apps that run copies of itself on each core would need to be calculated like that.

From your experience, would you recommend? thanks Srek

[Srek]

From your experience, would you recommend? thanks Srek

I would do what Mash proposed, he is spot on with his recommendation.

[josu]

Mash give us your expert advice, please.

[sirio]

I have to disagree with Sirio here, a 2.2 or 2.3 GHz Xeon, like the ones you picked out, does NOT make a decent workstation it will make for a slow Workstation that is good at rendering.

But that is exactly what I’ve told him, read again my post;) Josu probably didn’t understand my advice.
IF you really want to go with Xeon is better to go for two 8/10 core with the highest ghz(like the 2687W) then you will have plenty of render power and also more than decent single thread speed.

[josu]

But the model 2660 v2 or 2650 v3 has 10 core… (x2 of course)
These are the top ten in our budget. :sad:

But that is exactly what I’ve told him, read again my post;) Josu probably didn’t understand my advice.
IF you really want to go with Xeon is better to go for two 8/10 core with the highest ghz(like the 2687W) then you will have plenty of render power and also more than decent single thread speed.