new idea on create clouds

[yhloon]

• little price (like $25). Hmmm… it’s possible but our enthusiasm falls down to zero when we remember a set of limitation. Imagine the product is announced with a cool cloud intro image. User sees it and imagines a cool “stormbringer” scene, he’s full of bright hopes and buys the product… Bang! no animation :sad: Bang! no multiply clouds :sad:. Looks like we foolished him, huh? Let doc explains what the shader can/cannot? Of course, but be sure - nobody is in a big hurry to read it. “I bought your product to make same nice results as the best EI artists do! Why I cannot?” It’s always hard to answer for such questions, for this shader - in 10 times harder. Developers should think about all users (not about advanced only :))

$25 is not bad, but in case other user complain in the future… you need beta tester…and that is me hehehe…:twisted:

regards,
Loon

[BJMonkey]

Can’t you just drop the shader in here for download “as is” now… just in here? And people who download it are held to an agreement that they won’t send nagging e-mails?

We’d all like to play around with it

[Igors]

Can’t you just drop the shader in here for download “as is” now… just in here? And people who download it are held to an agreement that they won’t send nagging e-mails?

We’d all like to play around with it

No, we cannot. Any product (count freebie) should be documented, should have samples/demo, and (most important) should have some “guaranteed functionality”. Our shader has not all this and thus we cannot upload a “something not a product”

Not any prj is finished with a product, it’s normal. But ideas of unlucky prjs can be interested/usable - at least they show what’s on a way was selected

[worx3d]

hmm… I’ve been reading this thread with growing interest. I understand that the Igors don’t want to release this shader as a freebie, after all even when it was an experiment and for their own joy as they say, it’s hard work. Some developers release freebies, other don’t and that’s their choice.

But the idea of getting a good looking cloud shader with limitations for $25 is veeeery tempting. I can think of 1 project that I will start very soon that could make good use of it, and being a non commercial project (for fun) $25 sounds reeeally tempting.

I believe, Igors, that if you guys put a web page with big warnings about the limitations of the shader, and explain that the low cost of the shader is due to those limitations and nothing more should be expected, NO ONE should/will complain. I can assure you, whenever I need a more advanced cloud shader for a commercial project, I will turn to other shaders, like kMyst, AG Mondoclouds or Psyclone (or whatever it’s called, it’s a nice cloud shader).

But for 3D artists that don’t do commercial projects, a $25, static and limitated shader could be all it’s needed. I join the other users to encourage you to make a try and release it for a low price, like $25.00, with warnings and all.

In the unlikely case that someone calls complaining, please just send him/her to me and I’ll kick his/her butt to the moon!! hahaha… really, for $25 I’m sure no one will complain.

cheers and please give it a serious thought.

Joel

[bronco]

for 25$ i would order it this second, never complain and would try to make some nice use out of it. seriously, this is much to promising to never see the light of day, even if it is limited.

[Igors]

In the unlikely case that someone calls complaining, please just send him/her to me and I’ll kick his/her butt to the moon!! hahaha… really, for $25 I’m sure no one will complain.

cheers and please give it a serious thought.
Joel

Hi, Joel

Thx for your help proposition The main reason of our unwilling is: we ourselves hate products that have “nice gallery” but give user nothing concrete/guaranteed. Unfortunately,
Sky4 is exactly same thing: yes, after several hours of tries you can receive (maybe) a single cloud you like, but…

But who knows, maybe you are right: $25 is $25, and, after all, developers write their programs for people. So: in first half of summer MAYBE. Before this we must to finish some other projects.

[SteveW928]

Hi Igors,

I think as long as you are honest about the state of the product you are delivering, folks won’t complain. Advertise it as a ‘tool for geeky animators’ or something. Maybe create a page of site devoted to selling tools at lower costs that never made it to a full public interface or usability state.

Just write up some docs and make it known that anyone wanting to purchase and use it will have to really dig into it to get results… only for the ‘advanced and adventurous’ crowd.

About the only ‘complaints’ I think youd hear then, would be requests to add features or update it. But, if it gets popular enough, then maybe it would be worth investing the time to make it into a more full product.

-Steve

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