Need help with new system

[Pericu]

Hi folks,

I could really need some help from experts on this topic. I’m really not deeply into Hardware specific things and honestly, I have no real clue about what I really need (xeon, Core etc

no idea what’s best for my kind of needs) and what might be “too much” for what I want to do with the new system.

•      [b]What I do:[/b] I’m a retoucher, so mainly the system should handle large images (up to 10gb). Furthermore I’d start playing around with 3D softwares. Until now, I wasn’t able to do it, due to my current system.
  

•      [b]Programs I use: [/b]Mainly Photoshop, Lightroom/Capture1, and in future 3D-softwares (Maya, cinema 4d or similar)
  

•      [b]Budget: [/b]Max 2000€. If I can get away with less, it’d be great.
  

Furthermore I need to mention that it’s not necessary, that it’s the newest hardware on the market, I just want something which fits my needs and if I can get away with a former model of let’s say, the CPU, then that’ll be fine.

I highly appreciate any kind of help and any kind of tipps you can give me!

[qwatkins]

…- What I do: I’m a retoucher, so mainly the system should handle large images (up to 10gb)…- Programs I use: Mainly Photoshop, Lightroom/Capture1, and in future 3D-softwares (Maya, cinema 4d or similar)

When you are pushing around large files onscreen it can really impair your productivity when you get lag. I think you are going to need a system with plenty of RAM (look in the 32GB neighborhood or up), as well as a video card with as much RAM as you can afford. It would also be helpful to have an SSD for cache. Probably a basic Core i7 would be fine on the CPU front.

If you can find a used workstation that has a decent video card where you could just add more RAM that might be worthwhile otherwise get a basic box from HP or the like and then just buy RAM and video card from NewEgg or the like and upgrade yourself to save some money and get what you need without going over the budget.

[Pericu]

When you are pushing around large files onscreen it can really impair your productivity when you get lag. I think you are going to need a system with plenty of RAM (look in the 32GB neighborhood or up), as well as a video card with as much RAM as you can afford. It would also be helpful to have an SSD for cache. Probably a basic Core i7 would be fine on the CPU front.

If you can find a used workstation that has a decent video card where you could just add more RAM that might be worthwhile otherwise get a basic box from HP or the like and then just buy RAM and video card from NewEgg or the like and upgrade yourself to save some money and get what you need without going over the budget.

Thanks for the reply!

I totally agree! At work I have a workstation with
- 32gb Ram

• [b]Geforce GTX 680
• Intel Xeon E5-2620

[/b]and even with that large pictures tend to lag and interfere with my workflow.
So, I think 32 gb are necessary, but I have no idea which gfx-card might fit my needs (which one is decent).

Furthermore I heard that the i7-series is much more appropriate for our kind of work then f.ex. the Xeon-series. Why is that?

Thanks again for the reply and help!

[qwatkins]

…but I have no idea which gfx-card might fit my needs (which one is decent).

I think that you will get great bang for your buck with with something like the GTX 780 or 780ti (price/perf ) plus some limited CUDA bonus with certain aspects of the Adobe suite.

Furthermore I heard that the i7-series is much more appropriate for our kind of work then f.ex. the Xeon-series. Why is that?

Generally speaking Xeons are clocked slower but have more cores and also can be used in a dual socket motherboard where as i7’s can’t. One might think that “Hey more cores means more ‘compute power’ working on the problem at once” but this is usually not the case because of either the way that the software is written or because the type of problem to solve does not lend itself well to parallelization. In essence the problem has to be solved sequentially because of inherent dependencies. So with that in mind you generally see better performance from the i7 type chips for these activities because they run at a faster rate and since you can’t divide the problem amongst many cores then you lose the primary benefit of the Xeon type setups.

[Pericu]

I think that you will get great bang for your buck with with something like the GTX 780 or 780ti (price/perf ) plus some limited CUDA bonus with certain aspects of the Adobe suite.

If I’ll get up too the max budget, it’ll be a strong machine aleady! Since CS6 is using more and more gfx-chip, would you suggest investing more into the gfx and get away with a “cheaper” CPU?
Something like i4820k instead of 4930k?

Generally speaking Xeons are clocked slower but have more cores and also can be used in a dual socket motherboard where as i7’s can’t. One might think that “Hey more cores means more ‘compute power’ working on the problem at once” but this is usually not the case because of either the way that the software is written or because the type of problem to solve does not lend itself well to parallelization. In essence the problem has to be solved sequentially because of inherent dependencies. So with that in mind you generally see better performance from the i7 type chips for these activities because they run at a faster rate and since you can’t divide the problem amongst many cores then you lose the primary benefit of the Xeon type setups.

I see, thanks for the eye opener!

[imashination]

I totally agree! At work I have a workstation with
- 32gb Ram

• [b]Geforce GTX 680
• Intel Xeon E5-2620
  [/b]and even with that large pictures tend to lag and interfere with my workflow.

The Xeon you have is the computer equivalent of strapping a dozen wheelchair motors together to try and get a faster vehicle, so, Im not surprised you find it a bit slow. I’ll leave you to pick a supplier, but youre probably after something like this:

Intel i7 4770
32 gigs ram (any speed/type)
geforce 750Ti, 760, 770 (whichever you can afford)
128-256 gig SSD

Then the rest you can pick yourself or it doesnt matter so much.

[Pericu]

The Xeon you have is the computer equivalent of strapping a dozen wheelchair motors together to try and get a faster vehicle, so, Im not surprised you find it a bit slow. I’ll leave you to pick a supplier, but youre probably after something like this:

Intel i7 4770
32 gigs ram (any speed/type)
geforce 750Ti, 760, 770 (whichever you can afford)
128-256 gig SSD

Then the rest you can pick yourself or it doesnt matter so much.

Hahahaha, lovely!
This is nearly exactly what I createt;

[b]Intel Core i7-4770K Tray,3,5 GHZ, 8MB Cache, LGA 1150, VGA
MSI Z87-G43, ATX, Sockel 1150
Cooler Master Hyper 412S
32GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance Pro Silber PC3-17066U CL 11-11-11-27 (DDR3- 2133)
Zalman Z9 Plus Midi Tower
Cooler Master G 650 M
Zotac GeForce GTX 760, 4GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI
WD Green 1TB, SATA 6Gb/s
Samsung SSD 840 EVO Basic 120GB SATA 6Gb/s
OEM Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit

[/b]

[ThE_JacO]

Drop those Corsair sticks, they hardly drop their timing even under clocked, and you will never push a 4770K to anywhere near 2k rates anyway.
Get some less obtrusive, cheaper and faster G-Skill like the Ares, save money and get better timing and footprint at the same time.

And IMO get a 250GB SSD, 120 these days fill up pretty quick, and the evo’s cells tend to really beg for at least 20% free space, and 250s dropped in price considerably.

[Pericu]

Drop those Corsair sticks, they hardly drop their timing even under clocked, and you will never push a 4770K to anywhere near 2k rates anyway.
Get some less obtrusive, cheaper and faster G-Skill like the Ares, save money and get better timing and footprint at the same time.

Any suggestions?

EDIT: Sorry, just saw it that you suggested the ares.

[ThE_JacO]

You kind of quoted my suggestion, rest seems fine