Matte practice - London Street


#41

I have all but given up on this! I just need to do other work too, since this doesn’t pay any bills.

Here is the plan as I’m contemplating it now. First, here is the render that was a base for the sketch:

And here is a raw “base plan” of the area to make it more clear:

These are the houses I’m planning to add instead of the boxes. There is numbers on both the baseplan and the house image to connect the right houses to right places:

Some remarks considering the houses:

  1. As a single family house, thinking of having a park / driveway on front of the house.
  2. Church is a thing I need comments on. Can I combine the tower in pic 3 to a design of 2 or 4? Which is the most likely church to find in a neighborhood like this?
  3. The style of the corner house would be this, but probably not as tall. I want to have a pub on the corner too.
  4. Houses on the right side of declining road. And built accordingly
  5. The other side of the road
  6. Boulevard. Will use different trees. More along the lines of those in the last church image
  7. Park like this, but with trees and more worn out and “London” feel. Other refs are from country palace gardens, so mix of them and this.

All the refs are not to be produced as such. Rather I aim to produce houses that resemble them in style and proportions.

My biggest problem is that I have never been in London. I therefore miss the actual feel of this kind of neighborhood and it makes it all the more difficult to create it from the scratch. Sure, I have stereotypical feel about London and the era, and I fear the painting will reflect that too, in a bad way.

As it comes to these concepts, I think the long, straight road is somewhat more “boring” to do than something with the little twist. Also, it easily looks like a single point perspective practice. I thought from the start that it would need at least some crossing streets. But as I was trying to do just what I was asked for, I did not mind and went for what was needed. I also thought from the start these buildings don’t look the sort that are by the side of narrowish street facing each other, and butt-joined to other houses. They both look like they are by the side of the park, or at the center of one. Or by the seashore.

The night matte concept was born purely out of the joy of drawing. It was also fun to try the night painting techniques to this very immature concept layout of buildings. I am the first one to admit there is a lot of things wrong in that picture, but it also clarified some of the ideas I had. Expecially the inclusion of park areas. The street decline and the city on the horizon are not what I want them to be, but I have a couple of ideas on how to get there.

As I get the buildings modeled and the composition nailed, I start to make a neutrally light photoreal version of this image. Once that is done, I will use that to make different moods and weather conditions versions of the same matte. Cameramapping would not be a problem with this approach, since everything on the top of the hill will be 3d.

Please comment on the buildings I have chosen and the cityblock as a whole. Is it realistic as a London street of 19th century? Or realistic as a surrounding in that it doesn’t combine elements you can never find on the same street in London?


#42

Well 1 and 7 i took myself so know these are very typical of london streets. The pub looks quite typical too. Image 6, you’ll need to head a hundred miles out before you see something like that :slight_smile: 4 maybe. The whole of row 3, doesn’t feel like london. Granted there are many styles of buildings in london, but there is also a distinctive georgian style that everyone associates with london what you typically find in films such as those mentioned above. The layout seems a little too wide and quite low.

Dave.


#43

The churches are from Google images. I used keywords “Church London”. =)

Do you have a ref for me for the small streetside church? I can picture it in my mind quite good (it’s the one in night concept, but with a tower like maybe in row 3. on image 3.) but it would be nice to see the actual ones other than these.

I tend to go overboard with the width of my images. I fix that. Maybe it also needs higher buildings.


#44

go to bed! LOL its 4.26am!! :slight_smile:


#45

+2 hours here in Finland. =D


#46

Are you insane!!! :slight_smile: or, do you wake up earrly, ah that probably makes sense.


#47

I have to take the insanity-card. =) I like to burn the midnight oil. That is, I work at nights and sleep at the mornings.

No graphic update today. The next is again going to be something else. I thought of all the things so far, and decided to search more references. I think I found what you’re looking for. It’s a whole different issue if I’m able to do it. But I’m already trying. And I should be able to post an update during this weekend.


#48

This is the first peek for the latest revision. I decided to go with the original straight street and taller, more urban buildings. The main references are Regent Street and Piccadilly, plus numerous other old photos of Victorian era.

There’s obviously tons to do, not least to complete the fasades and ornaments of the houses. But I think the direction is in line with the original concept again, and the base feels a lot more workable.

Bare with me. It’s kind of normal for me to take the side steps when doing something like this. It feels important to get a good feel of the subject at hand and the methods of getting to the desired results.

Comments are welcome, as always.


#49

its looking good :slight_smile:

but I was wondering if you are still using the original plate provided by everlite?


#50

Not at the moment no. I probably will at the end, altough I will use 3d-model made from that, and textured with the original plate.

This version so far is just a bunch of buildingblocks (windows, columns, arches, lamp etc.) assembled to resemble a street. The main focus is to get the comp done now, and after that I’ll give serious attention to detail.


#51


Had to draw again.


#52

Hmmm, not quite sure if the style is quite london, but looks interesting, nice composition too. The sketch is … well im guessing still a sketch :slight_smile: In the end make sure you leave out any falling snow or moving elements (big NO for matte painting :slight_smile: )

(looking at render) Over all looking too brown, needs more textures working into to break off the 3d look.

The road is very blurry

Obviously replace the tree with a real one, but im sure this is still concept.

The horizon shouldn’t fall of to a zero white point, needs a subtle shape of buildings or something.

Hmmm, yeh coming on well, but you need to take care you dont over work it. So dont screw this up :slight_smile: lol

Dave.


#53

Yep, still a sketch. Had to try winter, since I had a couple of ideas about the technique. Mainly for the snowfall and tracks at the snow.

The base has a lot to do still, but I didn’t feel like modelling yesterday. =)

The buildings will be a lot closer to London ones once I get the balconies and ornaments in place.

As for the 3d feel, It can well stay, since my intention is not to texture them but to use them as a base for the final painting. Same goes with the road, which currently is a tiled map with no bump or displacement. The pavements don’t even have a texture, and the whole image is lit with AO only to produce neutral light.

As for the final images, there will be plenty. I plan on producing mattes of different lighting conditions as well as seasons. On top of them I plan to do full paintings of each too, sort of like a freeze - frame from the movie they were used. And cameramaps too, if I can keep myself motivated.
This could be an excellent excuse to practice with After Effects too.


#54

Well the best advice i can give you after that is … do just one first and complete it to a photorealistic, practical, professional level :slight_smile: don’t worry about all the frills etc … do one; then frills later :slight_smile:

Im liking the wintery tone you have on the concept, be good to see that finished. Though please lose any moving elements from the final painting. You can do these in AE pr post 3d.

What you using for 3d??

Dave.


#55

The purpose is to finish the base plate first and have real fun with the different versions after that. But I’m impatient… =)
Anyway, these in-between sketches restore my faith that what I’m doing can get good at the end. Once I get the plate going, I am quite confident I can paint the rest and get the results I am after.

I have virtually no experience on AE, so I’m pretty much shooting in the dark there. I think Andrew Cramer has the tuts I need when time comes.

For 3D? Why, Blender of course! =)


#56

This and Miles’ thread are really informative, I’m pleased you have been willing to start again over and over to get it right. Keep it up!


#57

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