HMC #22: Classic Self Portrait: Magdalena Dadela


#81

coming along very nicely :slight_smile:

i think for me what make the figure in the original painting so intriguing is the way she’s almost peaking out over the rim of all this clothing to the comfortable dog on the floor. there’s almost this face-peering-out-of-jungle effect, as if the figures natural camouflage is the layers and layers of clothing that she’s bundled up in.

i think your figures pose and the arrangement of clothing, especially around her torso, loses some of that hidden depth that’s present in the original.

maybe it’s just that your figure looks more comfortable and, well, happy while the original seems to me more distracted and confined. down to the point we even her hands are busy in the task of just dealing with her enormous wardrobe.

i’d like to see the folds and creases in your cloth get sharpened, with some nice flat spaces between. the referenced material appears to be stiff with starch and i think it’s important, adding to this feeling that the clothing is greater than the lady.

the expression on the face in your image seems quite happy, which is fine as after all it’s a self portrait and the emotion has to be your own. that being said, if you dropped the outer part of the eyes slightly and pulled the neck back i think it’d go a long way to adding a more mysterious look to the face.

i feel like the face in this portrait could wear any emotional expression as long as it suggests a particular thought. the viewer needs to be asking “what is she thinking about?” :slight_smile:

finally, i wouldn’t worry about the other side of the fireplace too much. for me the original image is about claustrophobia, it’s tight on the lady and even the main light through the window has to fight for it’s space on the canvas. i think you could tighten up your framing and drop those extra tasks.

over all i really like where this is going and wouldn’t have bothered with my above comments if i wasn’t impressed with your attention to form, as I am every challenge you do :slight_smile:


#82

great comments guys thanks :slight_smile:

yes I’ll reposition the cat 'cause I totally agree with you on that kicking thing :wink: and yeah the fireplace may be blazing a bit much :smiley:

As to the neck - yes I have changed it in the latest version a bit - it’s hard to get it to look like the painting though because that way her head would be tiny and her torso huge - the 2d artist got away with a lot here - especially the length of a neck, which seems to be gone when you try to reproduce it in 3d. I still have to add the ribbon around the neck which makes the head look even more hidden so maybe it’ll enhance the effect. Yes the face - well I won’t touch that I’m afraid - I’m not copying the painting here after all and I have to make it by Nov 2nd haha:)
Also the other side of the fireplace thing - yes I agree but I’m not going for a fixed camera shot - I want to make it viewable from all sides and I want to make a turntable of it so if it’s too empty it’ll look a bit silly I think, the fireplace is huge and she’ll get lost.

about the creases - yeah I only just started - worked for like an hour on them :slight_smile: they’ll be sharper for sure - it’s evidently a stiff taffeta dress so yeah …good eye
Thanks for great comments :slight_smile:


#83

I find it amazing how often art in traditional mediums gets away with things like this, as if the artist is aware of how our own eyes will just piece things together and make sense of them. It’s like we’re presented with subtle optical illusions that are embedded into our understanding of form, particularly the language of the human body.

3d continues to teach me so much about the difference between Art and the Real. An echo of the intersection between Technical and Artistic perhaps.

good eye

From you that’s a wonderful compliment, thank you :slight_smile:


#84

Damn, I thought this was hot with just the girl, now it looks awesome!!

Keep it up!


#85

Just place a dog there and the kicking thing should be totally fine :stuck_out_tongue:


#86

LOL :wink:

Fictis - thank you very much


#87

well just a bit of sculpting today…


#88

Everything is coming together nicely. One thing I notice, and this may be better, is the cloth looks thicker on your model like its a different type of fabric. Again, this is not really a problem just different.


#89

good point - will make sure I to work on it - yeah I look at it all the time there’s things like that one can miss… Thanks a lot!


#90

This looks so good it is unfit, I have a few questions. I love the pose on the cat , was he posed in ZBrush? Can we see a render of the hat and the hair? , they look awesome.
Is the background going to be a matte or will it be modeled as well? I can’t wait to see this textured, your texture work is so nice, and as others have said this thread is great. can’t wait to see more. :smiley:


#91

Thanks very much Adam.

To answer your questiongs - yes, the cat was posed in zbrush - he’s not completely posed though - still have to pose the front paws hhehe

I am not going to texture it I fear - no time for that… I would like to render it in the style of the louvre or Musee D’Orsay sculpture images - white marble with light similar bg… I still have to do so much sculpting on this that texturing is definitely out of the question :slight_smile:


#92

continuing to sculpt and add some missing meshes…

as for the hair and hat - I’m still thinking what to do with the hair and I fear I’ll have to retopo it properly… right now it’s just simple tubes and the geo’s not good enough for a nice sculpt IMO The hat for now is just imported base meshes that need to be sculpted further still … like everything - there’s so much of it :cry:


#93

some work on the fireplace today… thnx for looking


#94

Looking Beautiful!!!

:drool::drool:

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#95

Awesome Awesome stuff :smiley:


#96

:surprised wow~

great progress!!


#97

Zbrush flames :o) Nice work Ints! Have you got any of the ‘V&A Fashion in Details’ books? I think you’d dig them.


#98

I sure do :slight_smile: Thanks :smiley: I damn haven’t got the 18nth century one though - but I do have the Kyoto institute’s history of fashion huge 2 volumes so it’s cool, cause there are those ‘robe a la polonaise’ dresses there too… I only have the 19nth cent in detail and recreating the tudor fashion :slight_smile:

A person after my own heart I see :smiley:

thanks all :smiley:


#99

Never heard of them before. Thanks for the heads up.


#100

yesterday I mostly worked in xsi, setting up some lighting and so on so nothing much to show… started working on the other sides of her dress - interpolating between the side view and some back views of similar dresses from other references - those real dresses look like a mess in the back 0_O so my will too… only touched the scarf around her shoulders a bit so it looks like a lamp hanging there :argh: - that will change I promise :wink:

the hair’s new geometry which needs to be reshaped… I had to add a more subdivided mesh to get any effect and hopefully it’ll work…

but yeah generally still tons to do on that costume not to mention the cat :surprised Cheers