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#21

That was my bad. I changed it when you said Computer Science. I was originally doing a Computer Programming AS transfer to Computer Science BS at UCF, but I later decided to do Robotics instead. I’m no longer working toward a Computer Science BS because the curriculum was useless for me and I’d like to do robotics as a fun side project. I could retake Trig and Calc I as electives to complete a 2-year degree at Valencia because Valencia doesn’t require anything beyond College Algebra, not even for Programming. The BS requires these courses OR department approval (testing out), but testing out does not give me credit. Since I am still required to have a certain amount of math credits for the BS AND they can be used as electives in the AS, I chose to just redo the ones I already know for an easy A instead of testing out and doing more advanced math in the BS.

The GI Bill will pay for two schools at the same time, but only under certain conditions (if the classes at the secondary school will transfer into the degree at the primary school, or if you’re pursuing two related degrees at the same school but taking some of the classes at outside schools). I do pay for some of my education out of pocket, but the amount is negligible. Since I’m technically unemployed while attending school (apparently my property rental income either isn’t high enough or doesn’t count), I am still eligible to receive other federal education benefits such as the Pell Grant that I could use to pay for gaps in tuition if I needed to.

Yes you are right. Before going to Full Sail, the highest math I had completed was College Algebra in public school. I had low math-self-esteem, so I was procrastinating the advanced maths for as long as possible (and the Programming degree at public school didn’t require anything beyond MAC1105). I jumped straight from College Algebra into Calculus with Trigonometry. While I feel I am a fast learner when it comes to programming, I am not quite so fast at learning math. I’m good at it once I do learn it, but math takes a LOT more effort for me to learn. I won’t lie, it hurt. Luckily, that was the only class I had that month, and it met 8 hours a day for 2 days a week. I spent 6 hours a day after school doing the homework, for a grand total of 14 straight hours of math on school days. Then I spent another good 6-10 hours a day working on it on non-school days. I got a 78 on my first test in that class, which is the lowest grade I’ve ever gotten on anything in my life. I dedicated the vast majority of my waking hours to doing math, and managed an A on all subsequent tests, and a 100 on the final exam. Yes, some people are capable of acing that class in a month little work put into it (I sat next to a kid that could do calculus problems that took me 2 pages of writing to do, all in his head). Some people, like me, are only capable of acing it with a LOT of work and dedication. And of course some people simply can’t learn that much math in that amount of time, as many failed that class.

I don’t know which of Full Sail’s BS programs can transfer into a MS at which universities, since 1) I have no interest in a Master’s related to Game Development and 2) I don’t know what every university has to offer. The only reason I know it’s possible is because some of the lab assistants in my early classes were Full Sail grads who were working on an outside Master’s. One was in Computer Science at UCF, I don’t know what any of the others were. Personally, if I wanted to pursue a MS, I would do Full Sail’s MS. What that costs, however, I’m not sure. It is listed on their site, but I’m too lazy to look at it right now. I think it was something like $30,000 for the 1-year program.

The whole accreditation issue isn’t really an issue for most people. Full Sail tends to accept most incoming regionally-accredited general ed and math credits, and Full Sail is not designed to be abandoned halfway through and transferred elsewhere. If you go to Full Sail, you go because you plan to finish there. If transferring to an outside Master’s after Full Sail is a concern, I would recommend researching those possibilities prior to enrolling at Full Sail to make sure everything will work out for you with limited redundancy. If you can’t find something that works to your liking, then maybe you shouldn’t go to Full Sail, or maybe you should re-evaluate your educational goals.

Anyway, the purpose of my review was to lay to rest some of the misconceptions about Full Sail that have been propagated by people who base their knowledge off someone else’s review. There are a small handful of people who have been spamming negative reviews of Full Sail EVERYWHERE. These people include: one 50-year old woman (Nancy Ford) who failed out of the film program and claims to be a film industry professional in some places (in other places she claims to be a school teacher), one mother of a recording arts fail-out, and one recording arts grad who is upset that he didn’t get a high-paying job after graduation. These people have reposted their reviews on every Full Sail review page, comment board, and youtube video on the internet.

I’ve seen forums where potential students ask about Full Sail, and other random people who have no knowledge whatsoever link them to some of these reviews saying “sounds like a scam, I would avoid it,” and other such nonsense. When I was researching Full Sail before enrolling, I was a almost scared away by all the negative reviews and negative comments based on those negative reviews. Now I’m glad I didn’t let the comments of a few ignorant people sway my decision. I want to make sure these gross misrepresentations don’t influence anyone else either.

In my second programming class, there were two students who stood out to me. One was a guy who I swear had to be borderline autistic or something. He was about 400 lbs, regularly picked things off his head and arms and ate them, hiccuped to get attention, and frequently made retarded sounding groans, grunts, and shouts, and spastic arm movements. He was a huge distraction and everyone in the class hated him. He failed both his classes that month, so fortunately for the rest of us, he won’t end up on any of our teams later in the program. The other student is a female who said she had already taken the first two programming classes at Full Sail before, got caught cheating and got kicked out. She said in order to be allowed back at Full Sail, she had to take programming classes at an outside college for a certain amount of time (I can’t remember of it was a year or a semester). Apparently she did, and was also required to retake these classes her second time at Full Sail. She failed the second programming class again. I overheard her talking to her friend about it, and her scathing remarks about the school I’m sure would eventually make their way into an online review.

The two students above can be found in any school. There is always someone who is too lazy to stay awake in class, too dumb to major in a scientific field, or too inept keep up with their studies. Of course their reviews are going to have a negative bias, because nobody wants to admit their own failures when it’s so much easier to just blame the school, the teacher, or anything else. I wanted to provide my first-hand experience and knowledge so that others can make informed decisions based on real facts, not on some disgruntled drop-out’s complaint. Full Sail is a great school, but it is not for everyone nor for every purpose. I can’t stress enough how important due diligence is when making educational plans. You can’t let Full Sail’s flashy appearance and fancy tours coax you into paying tuition you can’t afford for an education that can’t get a job that will pay it back. You also can’t let random people on the internet talk you out of a quality education just because Full Sail is different.

That is all.


#22

UPDATE: I added a section about billing, since I see a lot of mentions about being billed for the entire program even if you quit after a month. In reality, you pay for a full term, and just like in public school, you don’t get your tuition back if you withdraw in the middle of the term. I have a copy of one of my enrollment documents somewhere that covers refunds for terms that I never started, so if I can locate that document I’ll upload a shot of that section too.


#23

I believe one major flaw to this thread is, the poster didn’t state what course they had in mind when attending Full Sail.

But I’ll post my opinions again as well, take your quotes and update them a little bit. Again, this is just from my experience.

“Full Sail’s administrative offices are my biggest complaint, as the various departments tend to have trouble communicating and coordinating with each other.”

I will completely agree with this. I went for Computer Animation and toward the end of the program some classmates and I took a ridiculous course that we felt was not necessary for our education. We tried speaking with some office officials about this, but you could never get a hold of anyone. Not even when you showed up there in person. It was some philosophy course/team building. Basically how to work with others but it was a waste of time and money. (Most of us were older students and understood how to work well with others.)
We wanted to voice our opinions and get our money back, and later found out the person teaching this course was an Executive at the school who formed the course and we believe to justify her position at the school. I’m not going to lie, we played kickball outside. :surprised
This was not why I wanted to go to Full Sail and I didn’t want to waste $1,000+ in my tuition money to do that nonsense. It was a shame it was so late in the program and I had no idea that course was coming up (as they were always playing with the schedule and still trying to find a correct balance in what courses to teach). Along with kickball was rock climbing and other outdoor activities.
We thought the lady got a kick (ha!) out of seeing computer geeks running around trying to catch a ball, like we were on some type of comedy show. Horrible.

Full Sail 2011 Course List Catalog

Looking at the above link, it looks like they have changed that course to a Public Speaking course now. Which I hope is nothing like what I had to deal with. Really fires me up just thinking about it.

“The teaching staff has been great. Every instructor I’ve had has been knowledgeable, experienced, available, and easy to learn from.”

The teaching staff that you’ve explained are excellent. I have no complaints.
When I was attending they were all very knowledgeable and loved to help out.
On the other hand, you’ve got to look out for the lab instructors. Some of those guys are interning at Full Sail and don’t really care to help you out or have egos of their own and think they are much high and mightier than you. I had to put one in his place as I got tired of his little attitude toward others and myself. He said he learned his lesson, but I heard from later graduates he was still a jerk.

“Classes failed can be retaken for free. Even classes passed can be retaken for free. You’re (usually) free to sit in on any class in the program if you have the free time and desire to do so.”

If you fail for attendance, you will not be able to retake a course for free.
If you fail the first time for bad grades, you will be able to retake the course for free.
If you fail a second time for bad grades, I believe it is in their practice to charge full price for that specific course.
If you fail a third time you are put on probation and will not be able to come back for awhile. I think they even charge you more money than just specific course cost to come back in.

If you want to sit in a course after you graduate, you have to be able to attend that courses’ hours. Lets say you have a 8:00am - 5:00pm EST job. If a course you’d like to take is at 9:00a - 1:00pm for the lecture and 2:00pm - 6:00pm for the lab, I’ve been told you have to attend those course hours just to sit in. You have to sign up and take the full scheduled hours.
It’s not just a walk in, sit down, and leave whenever you want type of deal.
If that was the case, they’d have no order in the classroom setting. Students attending would be confused and would not pay attention while people come and go through the door.
So good luck retaking courses if you’ve got a real job.

“Mostly because if you hold a BS in Game Dev and you want a Master’s, why not do the Game Design MS at Full Sail too?”

Full Sail Masters Tuition Link

Why take the Masters? I sure wouldn’t want to waste another $32,000 in getting a Masters degree there. You’ll probably have to take out more student living expense money as well, so maybe add another $10,000 - $20,000 to that. You’re looking at another $52,000.
And from your first BS degree there, you’ve already racked up a good $90,000 - $110,000 if you had to take out living expense loans.

You’ve stated it’s accredited based on trade school rules, and I believe you’re correct. A friend of mine did the research on it and basically it’s an accreditation that a taxidermy school would get.
If you don’t get a Masters at Full Sail after your Bachelors, then it’s going to be hard to get a Masters anywhere else without having to take a lot more additional courses.

“Game programming is a tough industry, but with this degree you can still fall back on a decent living in general software development and maintenance, which is significantly easier to come by than a decent living in film or music.”

Very true!
I know some people that knew programming before going into Full Sail. They are doing excellent!
They know what they were doing going in and coming out they were more knowledgeable in the world of the game industry. Plus if you can’t get a job in the game industry doing programming, you can use those skills else where.

I haven’t posted much on here, but it seems like I usually do so about Full Sail.
As much as I liked going there, liked my professors and peers, I don’t know if I can fully recommend it.
There are much cheaper ways of getting this type of education. Digital Tutors, Animation Mentor, the list can get long with online tutorials and classes.
If I could do it over, I wouldn’t have attended. I would have saved the money and bought a house.

Sure I’ve learned some valuable skills, but it all comes down to how much time you put into your work and portfolio pieces.
I can say that from experience, and I should have listened to my community college professor about that before attending Full Sail.


#24

I’ve never failed a class at Full Sail, so my knowledge on how that works is based on what my student adviser has told me, and what I’ve seen other students go through when they did fail. From what I can gather, and this information could be erroneous, is this:

If you fail for attendance, yes you have to pay to retake the class (unless it was excused, such as time spent in the hospital or something). That’s a given, because why let you reserve a seat in a class you’re too lazy to show up for?

If you fail for grades, you retake the class for free, without having a second class that month to distract you.

If you fail again, you get kicked out of the program (probation), at which point (this is where my information is shady, based only on what other people claim they had to do when they failed twice) you are required to attend programming classes (or whatever class you failed) somewhere else for a certain amount of time (1 semester or 1 year, can’t remember which), then you will be allowed back at Full Sail to retake the class for free. If you fail it twice again, I think you are removed from the program permanently. If you paid for any terms ahead, you get refunded your tuition for them (not for the term you’re in though - which is still quite costly).

Again, this is mostly hearsay. I’ve known several people who failed classes once and retook them for free. I’ve only known one person who failed twice and came back and told us about it, and they ended up failing their first attempt back at Full Sail again, and they are apparently retaking the class this month. I don’t know what will happen if they fail it again, but I THINK they get kicked out of that degree program for good.

Anyway, as far as my “why not just do the MS at Full Sail” comment, I just figured if you could afford Full Sail’s BS, I don’t see how the MS could be too much more trouble for you. Anyway, you did the Compuater Animation degree? If you don’t mind me asking, when did you go, and how was it? Was it as good as I’m finding the Game Dev program to be (freaking fantastic)? I’ve seen some stuff from the Computer Animation students here and it looks pretty awesome. If I wasn’t so in love with programming I’d have been tempted to go for that degree.


#25

I graduated in 2009, so it hasn’t been too terribly long ago, however looking at their new course schedule it’s changed a bit.
A lot of my professors that I looked up to are gone and onto other things, which is excellent, and I hope any new professors teaching are up to the pedigree I was taught under.

I liked it, but for the price, don’t know if it was worth it. All that money came out of my pocket.
Having been to several other colleges, I was ready for the challenge that Full Sail offered. And at the beginning I was still working a full time job, then dropped down to part time, then just school as it all got a lot harder with deadlines on projects.
There is a class I failed, it was rigging. It was a rough time because of late hours working on other things, then having to get up for lectures early, then having the rigging test based on memory with no notes. It’s a boot camp in some aspects.
Am I ashamed, nope. Did I get Valedictorian of my class? No, and honestly, who cares about that title? I was there to learn and I didn’t understand rigging, so it looked like I needed to go through it again (I don’t like rigging by the way :slight_smile: and will need a book or tutorial again if I approach it for complicated character rigs).
Also I got deducted a letter grade because I didn’t draw a darker outline on my 2D piece of artwork. I’m really not over exaggerating this.
Isn’t art in the eye of the beholder? Just like beauty?
Then I see another student’s artwork that looked like something a 4 year child produced and I just shook my head and was glad I was almost done with the whole thing. That was in my Historical Archetypes and Mythology course. I did approached them about this later, but to no avail. They said that’s the grade you got without much discussion.

I know several that failed out, some didn’t return, another did and they had to pay a lot of money to get back in. Like you said, they drop like flies.
Sometimes though you’ve got things in life that just happen and you might fail for attendance. Everyone has different issues that may pop up, it might not be because someone is lazy.

Maybe if attending and investing so much money, one should wear a Nerf suit, and drive a Nerf car just so you don’t get in an accident going to and from school.

I’m grateful for learning new things, but I do want people to know that you can learn most 3D aspects through other means besides an expensive school.


#26

CornColonel,

You stated:

"I don’t know which of Full Sail’s BS programs can transfer into a MS at which universities, since 1) I have no interest in a Master’s related to Game Developmentand 2) I don’t know what every university has to offer.

The only reason I know it’s possible is because some of the lab assistants in my early classes were Full Sail grads who were working on an outside Master’s. One was in Computer Science at UCF, I don’t know what any of the others were. Personally, if I wanted to pursue a MS, I would do Full Sail’s MS. What that costs, however, I’m not sure. It is listed on their site, but I’m too lazy to look at it right now. I think it was something like $30,000 for the 1-year program."

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Are you sure your instructors used a Full Sail bachelor degree as their prerequisite for a “Master’s” program at UCF?

Like I said before, it is simple to call admissions at any school and ask about transferring credits and degrees. I went ahead and called graduate admissions at UCF and they said exactly what I have been saying. You can’t use a bachelor’s degree that is not regionally accredited to enroll in a graduate program, and this definitely includes the Computer Science department.

Sorry,
Ohmanoggin


#27

Yes, I am sure. He did mention that he had to make a lot of phone calls and appeals and fussing to get it his way because of the accreditation. Sorry I can’t provide more detail than that, I only knew the guy for a month and only talked to him maybe 3 times. Your questions are the same ones I had at the time because I thought it would be near impossible to transfer into a regional MS program from a Full Sail degree, so I asked about it and this is all I was told. Again, just hearsay, I have no idea what the process would actually be for doing what he was doing. It’s also worth mentioning that this guy was already a month away from graduating from the Full Sail MS in Game Design, so I don’t know if he just transferred enough credits, did the two degrees concurrently like I am, or what. Unless I run into him again, it will remain mystery to me. With me personally, my electrical engineering is completely separate from my game development. At most, I might transfer out some credits from Full Sail to fill any possible electives, but I don’t expect nor care to do a MS in either of them. If I did, I’d do Full Sail’s MS.


#28

Wanted to comment on this as well for anyone thinking of doing 3D Animation instead of Programming.

“Laptops with the appropriate software pre-installed are issued during orientation week.”

They will not be pre-installed with all the tools you need. They might still be doing the Adobe Creative Suite, but that’s pretty much it.
We pleaded for 3D software, and especially with how much you’re paying, you should get it.
The lab computers, on campus, have Maya, maybe some versions of Max, but I believe they have switched over to XSI since I’ve been gone.
You’ll want to use your lab hours very wisely if you choose to attend.

You can also download software from Autodesk, taken from their site:

Autodesk FAQ
Does the software that I get on the Education Community “timeout” after a period of time?
Yes. The software you get from the Autodesk Education Community comes with a 36 month license.


#29

CornColonel,
Sorry to keep brining up this issue, but there is no way anyone can get into a Master’s program at UCF using their Full Sail degree as their prerequisite. It would make no difference if they are already in the Full Sail Master’s program or even completed it. All the phone calls and fussing in the world will not get be enough. I am concerned the instructor was not being completely truthful with you.

To me it is kind of big deal to verify transferring credits and degrees. People, yourself included, are paying a lot of money for training from Full Sail. If they or anyone who represents them (including instructors) says there is no problem transfering credits and degrees, then they need to back it up. Promises (or hearsay) are not good enough at the prices they are asking.

I realize you have no interest in doing so, but what about other students? As you have already stated, the job market is pretty tough with no garantees of any job. In this wacky world, some people actually want to use the credits and degrees they earn and continue their education at another institution- Especially after paying so much for such an education.

Ohmanoggin


#30

Thanks for your concern. As mentioned, it was a lab assistant who was about to graduate from the Full Sail MS in Game Design, not an instructor. I have no reason to believe he was lying. If anything, he has just as much reason to inform others of problems as you or I do. He may have simply had enough transfer credit to only have to spend a little time at UCF before earning that MS. I don’t know, and don’t really care. Regardless, the fact remains that the majority of FS classes (in my program) transfer into credit at the nearby regionally-accredited schools. If it means I only need to spend 1 year at public school instead of 4 to end up with both degrees, well that’s just swell.

To that I will refer you to my previous post in which I mentioned exercising due diligence before making an educational commitment. No information is hidden from you, and no information has been misrepresented for as long as I’ve been here at least. If you want to spend an extra 3 years on inferior training (in software development at least, can’t speak for the other programs) at a public school, by all means go. I’m not trying to talk anyone out of that. On the contrary, I wish it was possible to vote some people off the island and back to a slower-paced public school where they belong.

What I can’t figure out is why people are so hung up on the ability to transfer at all. It makes no sense to approach the idea of going to Full Sail with some preconceived plan to abandon the program before finishing it. That’s like getting a BS in creative writing with plans to advance into a MS in astronomy. You should know your plan BEFORE you execute any part of it. I can’t imagine why anyone would want to go to Full Sail without finishing their education there. Here’s my simple solution: If you don’t know what education you want, don’t commit to one at Full Sail (or any other trade school). If you’re so fickle that you think you might want to change majors, change schools, or transfer credits all over the place, stick to a system that supports such a whimsical education, and stay in public school.

On a side note, I’m about to start tutoring Game Dev students in C++. Maybe I’ll get to find out from the failed students more about the how probation works at Full Sail.


#31

The teaching staff that you’ve explained are excellent. I have no complaints.

After having taught there and knowing many people who are still there, I can say many of them are passionate and knowledgeable. Unlike many tenured professors at Universities that backup to a paycheck, many of these instructors work hard to stay current. I’m glad to hear that many of them have good reputations even outside the school.

But the caveat to that is: Your money doesn’t really go to the instructors. :sad:

Professors at a public institution make nearly twice that. Non-terminal degree instructors make $20k-$30k more annually as well. So please be nice to them and understand they are going to be hard on you for a reason sometimes. (I was constantly told in student reviews I was mean as Hell.)

And as a side note, education is expensive. (duh) Graduating with as little debt as possible is best. The industry does not pay the salary it used to pay even 10 years ago. And you will have a harder time finding jobs where benefits are included.


#32

I was actually thinking about that as I was typing some things together. When I got wind of how much the instructors were making, I was pretty disappointed.
It made me think, ‘Why let a good educator go when you can at least pay him/her what they might be making at a studio?’

With the amount of knowledge that one has to learn every time there might be an update in a specific software or some new tool being created to use in the industry and then taught back to the students, it’s a bit crazy.

I think our United States educational system as a whole is to blame, but I’ll keep away from that topic.


#33

CornColonel,
You stated:
"If you want to spend an extra 3 years on inferior training (in software development at least, can’t speak for the other programs) at a public school, by all means go. I’m not trying to talk anyone out of that.”

You are cracking me up. Didn’t you just spit on public univeristies and then say “I’m not trying to talk anyone out of it”? By the way it would be an extra 2 years of “inferior training”.

I noticed their are two Master’s programs at Full Sail: “ Entertainment Business” and “Game Design”. So, if you or anyone else actually wanted to continue their education, it would have to be somewhere else anyway. If so, you are going to have to start almost at the bottom to get ANOTHER bachelor’s degree to even be considered for a Master’s program.

Honestly, I have nothing against Full Sail for training. However, when the discussion turns to ragging public universities or someone implies you can easily transfer credits to one, I feel it is doing a big diservice to potential students to make such claims.

Respecfully,
Ohmanoggin


#34

So you are saying that instructors are not paid even the amount of ONE student’s tution for a bachelor’s program. Are their at least medical benefits?

Ohmanoggin


#35

However, when the discussion turns to ragging public universities or someone implies you can easily transfer credits to one, I feel it is doing a big diservice to potential students to make such claims.

Full Sail is accredited by a national organization while most universities are accredited by regional organizations.

Universities (public or otherwise) make their own decisions on what credits to accept. This means you will find different information about what is accepted and what isn’t because it can change school to school.

You need to discuss this with anywhere you may plan on attending.

So you are saying that instructors are not paid even the amount of ONE student’s tution for a bachelor’s program. Are their at least medical benefits?

Full Sail does provide benefits. Average salary is around $35k with experience in the field. So the instructor that’s there with you at 2am is getting paid about that amount. Compared to comparable salary at UCF even for non-terminal degree instructors it is at least $20k more than that. (Professors with terminal degrees make greater than $100k a year on average at UCF.)

There is no tenure track or union. Many of them are there because they like the field and like to teach. Teaching also gives them the ability to do their own projects and focus on their own special interests. Studios would mean they lose that freedom so teaching has a certain allure. But that allure is not pay.

Looking at the facilities and what the executives drive will be the best clue where your tuition is spent.


#36

Yes I did. I’m not trying to talk anyone out of it because I believe some people aren’t equipped to handle Full Sail, and should stay in a slower-paced system.

In general it takes 6 years to complete a Master’s in a related field, while Full Sail takes 3. So that’s a difference of an extra 3 years. Your math skills really make that public education shine, don’t they?

Eh, no it wouldn’t. The Game Dev BS I’m doing at Full Sail transfers straight into the Game Design MS at Full Sail. If I wanted to continue my education, it would not have to be somewhere else. Do you read what you write before you post it?


#37

I assumed you were referring to a bachelor’s degree, so 2 versus 4 years is correct. Thus the 3 years was assumed to be a typo. I wasn’t trying to comment on your math skills.

Of course you could transfer into the Game Design MS program. My point was that you were studying Game Development, which is a completely different job skill than Game Design. So, if you wanted to get your Masters in game development, which is your chosen field, YOU would have no choice but to transfer, which I have pointed out is not really possible.

So, again, I am sure the training at Full Sail is great, but for those that want to continue their education (unless they happen to want to change to Game Design) the issue of transferring is not trivial at all.

Ohmanoggin


#38

First, you obviously don’t know anything about game design. Second, your contribution to the discussion seems to have been whittled down to repeating your “I’m sure it’s great, but not really” mantra after each response. It’s like you’re hellbent on getting the last word in just so you can try to “win” the conversation. Sorry, but until you actually have any experience at Full Sail, you can’t win a discussion about it. You obviously just like hearing yourself talk, so talk away. I’m done listening because I have some games to make.


#39

Ok, then I will say something.

I have a degree in Computer Animation from Full Sail and have completed an internship under a former Disney Animator, who is now the Course Director of the 2DA class.

Full Sail University’s expectations of it’s students is in no way lacking compared to any other school; Public or For Profit. Its initial reputation was less than satisfactory, but it has worked extremely hard to quell the previously stated negatives. In my opinion it has done an excellent job. I would not be so bold as to say that our average student is the same as the top schools worldwide. However, I would see strong competition of our best graduates, to any other school’s best in the world. I would compare our staff to the staff of any other school as well.

As an animator, I have worked with nearly 20 former Disney animators, that flocked to Full Sail’s teaching positions after the Orlando studio shut down.

An accelerated program does not simply mean less time. It means more work in less time.


#40

I am sure that Full Sail gets some good instructors and has decent facilities. I would even bet that they can showcase some students who have achieved success with major studios… BUT

  1. If they pay way below normal university medians for professors, don’t you think that the better faculty will go to the places that pay more? Really think about this!

  2. I don’t care how good the instructor may or may not be, art and design take time to develop. There are just so many hours that a person can work before they either burn out or just stop absorbing the required material. All accelerated programs have this problem.

  3. The tuition of $77,500 plus fees is very high and almost as high as non-accelerated programs. Thus, why not go to a program that isn’t accelerated. An extra year or so won’t kill you. True, it is cheaper than most private schools;however, if you are a good student and/or have a good portfolio or are in financial need, you could get a good scholarship from the schools noted in item 4, below. With a scholarship, it might cost about the same to attend these schools for four years that Full Sail charges for much less time.

  4. I do think that Full Sail may be working hard on their reputation and quality. However, as of today, they don’t have the stellar reputation that other animation schools have including Ringling, CalArts, Risd, RIT, SVA, Sheridan, UCSJ, Pratt, Gnomon or even SCAD or Digipen. Thus, why pay a lot of money for a school without the same cache as those mentioned.

  5. Perceived reality becomes reality in many ways. For example, I would bet that that the average quality of student at the schools that I noted above in item 4, are generally much better than that of Full Sail because of their perceived quality. I would bet that firms would take a closer look at demo reel and resumes from the schools mentioned above over that of Full Sail. Don’t discount this. Having higher quality students benefits every one’s work. It also attracts better professors. Let’s face it: would a professor prefer to teach better , more motivated students or teach those of lessor quality and who have less motivation? Which would you rather teach?

  6. Don’t discount the importance of training in liberal arts and English. If you want to advance in your career, you may need to be a good reader and writer. For example, my daughter interned at a animation house that develops trailers for movies. For several projects, she had to read the scripts and develop a well-written report on what should be in the trailer and what should be in the promotional web site.

I say this because Full Sail also abridges liberal arts courses. I really don’t believe that these grads get the same quality of liberal arts and writing training as those of many other, non- accelerated schools. This may not seem that important to you now,but it really can be in the future.

Maybe I am missing something,but I just don’t understand why anyone would go there… Saving money is great, and I don’t discount that. However, the drawbacks incurred don’t seem to outway the $10,000-$15,000 that you might save overall. In fact, a good student, with a good porfolio, can get some decent scholarship money from schools that I noted above that could make the cost equal or even less than that of Full Sail. College is a one-time, life changing experience. I wouldn’t short cut it to save maybe 10-20% of the total costs, if even that much.