Full Sail?

#1

Is Full Sail really as great as they make it out to be?

#2

Its not Gobelins in Paris. Its not Vancouver or Cal Arts. FS doesn’t need a portfolio, and credentials for acceptance. If those schools are the Harvord and Oxford of animation, Full Sail is not. However, it is a very strong, up and coming, accelerated program. You will get a very good education there.

#3

Im sure they provide a great education, but it is my strong opinion. As a working professional in the CG industry. That 21 months is not enough time to learn and create a portfolio strong enough to compete in this industry. I’d recommend the School of Visual Arts for CG and Ringling or Cal Arts for Animation.

#4

Hello, I’m a current Full Sail animation student and I’m about a year into the program. I gotta say I’ve gotten a great education so far. Like any other school if you work hard and give it your all your going to get a great education out of it. I cant speak for their other programs but from what I’ve experienced and seen the computer animation program is great and I’m loving every second of it.

#5

I just thought I would share this. Its not directly related, but I feel it offers a little information to the level of professionalism and quality you can expect from Full Sail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6dj0yxwimC4#!

#6

Read this first before you enroll. :thumbsup:
http://www.thebestfilmschools.com/full-sail-scam.html

#7

Great find grundel, that site pretty much told it like it is. I think its kinda a shame that we get so much negative feedback when all I’ve seen and done is so far from the opposite.

#8

Make sure you check what kind of accreditation they have. Last I new they did not have the same kind of accreditation as a regular 4 year college or university, so if you want to continue on with your education after Full Sail, the credits from Full Sail would not be accepted at other colleges. In Florida, SACS accreditation is what you want.

#9

Thats not entirely accurate. Classes may not transfer directly, but the bachelors of science degree that I have obtained in computer animation is absolutely accepted.

#10

It could be that they have SACS accreditation now. I’m just telling the original poster to check on that. I knew a graduate from Full Sail several years ago that wanted to go on and get a MFA at a state university and couldn’t because Full Sail didn’t have the correct accreditation so their BS was not accepted. A lot of the Art Institutes have the same issue. It’s just something to ask about. Some schools say they have accreditation, but they are accredited as trade schools, not colleges.

#11

I had a friend in the same situation. The problem isn’t accrediation, the problem is that Full Sail isn’t recognized by CHEA which handles all the regions (I think 7 in the country). Florida universities and colleges that are accredidted by SACS (Southern Association of Colleges and Schools) is recognized by CHEA and therefore credits and degrees are “usually” transferable to all other regions of the country.

The problem with is Full Sail there accredited but not SACS, they use some other orgnization that mainly focuses on trades like hair styling and similar. Therefore, NOT ONE SINGLE CREDIT will transfer to any traditional university or college. Even if you got your bachelor’s degree in a game developer’s program, and took calculus, C++ and other heaving courses, it will make no difference to SACS schools or any other region covered by CHEA. Not one single credit will transfer. So if you are hoping to use any credits toward a computer science degree or use the bachelor’s to get a masters at a university, you will be out of luck.

For anyone who disagrees, there is a simple way to confirm this. Pick any traditional school you like. Perhaps Univeristy of Florida, or your local community college. Call the “Admissions Department” and simply ask "I want to know if my credits and degree from Full Sail, located in Orlando Florida will transfer to your school. They have a list of all the schools they recognize and can give you a yes or no quickly.

There is still value in going to Full Sail. I am sure they offer some great training, but the bachelor degree’s they offer are really only recognized by them. Employers that require a Bachelor’s degree for ALL employees, usually accept them, but I fear that one day there will be a back lash on all these unrecognized diplomas.

P.S. Because the friend I was helping didn’t believe me, I called the outfit that accredits Full Sail, and told them I was interested in transfering to a traditional college after graduation and would my credits transfer. They said, that if that was my intention, I should go ahead and go to a traditional college instead.

Ohmanoggin

#12

As a full sail graduate, I must say I did learn a lot, and I do work int he industry now, as a result of my education… HOWEVER, because Full Sail requires no portfolio for acceptance, many believe you can simply be taught a program, and become an artist… My starting class was around 115 students, I graduated with 15 of them… They drop like flies… If you DO NOT HAVE a STRONG traditional art background, and a sturdy foundation in art, meaning you’ve been attending art schools from the beginning of grade school, or just in general, equipped with a god given artistic talent, then Full Sail is probably not a good idea… In all honesty, their recruiters are sharks, they can and WILL tell you what you need to hear, to get that fat check from you.

I loved Full Sail, but I do NOT agree with how they do things… Because I had a strong artistic background, and years of experience in the digital arts before attending, I did very well I feel, but my friends, not so much. KNOW THIS… if you go to this school, and drop the $80,000-$105,000 to attend, go to every class, every open lab, lecture etc. Because if you don’t your going to screw yourself in the end… this school does not require your time, it requires your life… and you will be debt for nearly the rest of your life, depending on your financial situation of course. But I digress…

Its a good school, but the education is over priced, half the teachers are former students, which has its perks/ Positives-Negatives, and if your comfortable knowing your going to be herded through each class like a cattle, all the while becoming part of the education economic bubble…

if your focused and dedicated, this is a perfect school, to challenge yourself, and really persue your interests in this industry… BTW the teachers are all mad cool… but the policies they have to follow, suck.

-Proud Full Sail Graduate

#13

I would have to agree with ArtisticDave. I am currently enrolled in Full Sail and he has hit the nail right on the head. This school is not for everyone and yes it is fairly expensive. When compared to schools such as Cal Art and Ringling the difference in the amount of fine art classes you receive are not enough ( you only have 3 true fine art classes).
But, if you are dedicated to this industry and are ready to sacrifice/ eat, breathe, sleep this industry then Full Sail could be a great school for you. I went to this school after a doing a lot of research in thee accelerated work flow and wanting to finish my education sooner. One thing I do know for a fact is going through these harsh schedules and ridiculous lab times I will be prepared for anything the industry will throw my way.

I am a firm believer in what you put into school is what you get out of it. So, if you show the drive to succeed and can understand the work ethic you will need to achieve this then you’re golden at any institute you should choose.

Side Note: Full Sail does offer an extended program now that is 36 months. ( Which i believe should be the status quot for the Computer Animation program as someone said in an earlier post (the 21 months is not enough).

#14

job placement is horrible. I don’t regret going there at all… ok maybe a little since I think I could get more help at other schools. I’ve learned a lot but sadly it was from one or 2 teachers and the rest from tutorials (which you will do during labs). At lab we were told not to bother lab techs with questions unless you can’t find the answer in your books or on line (pretty crappy deal when your classes are about one month long and you’re wasting your time searching for answers). Costs too much but I guess they need all that money to get the hallways painted every other day (seriously).

All in all I would recommend anyone to go somewhere else, but then again $80k+ bought me the best contacts I could ever ask for…and a diploma i got a year after my graduation…

PS. Long live Larry Santaw :slight_smile: best teacher ever who I believe no longer works there…

#15

Larry Santaw was amazing! Alas, he does not teach there anymore.

I agree with most that has been said here, you’ve got to put a lot of effort in and out of your classes. Just getting a degree from there isn’t going to make you a good artist, especially when you can pretty much learn everything you need from the web.
Also, Fullsail is still promoting more of their Recording Arts degree programs more than the Computer Animation program. All the upgrades and remodeling, from when I left, have been for RA, not CA. Which is very disappointing as CA needed a lot more labs for your work to be finished.

Look hard into which school you want to go to. If I could have done it over again, I would have done a 4 year Computer Animation program, not a 2 year. Two years just isn’t enough time to generate enough quality work for the outside professional world. Some people did it, but they are very few, and dedicated every single night into producing “awesome”.

Good luck with your decision.

Edit:
Forgot to mention…if you can prolong your decision, this school will be the better choice in the future. At least I hope so.

New School in the Southeast

My decision for attending FS was mostly because I figured I didn’t have 4 years to waste, I needed the education as fast as I could get it. Two years is tempting, but again, you’ve got to dedicate yourself.

#16

Yes, Full Sail is as good as they say.

Click here for a full review.

#17

Corn Colonel,
Wow, I see you just joined this site and on your very first post you offer us a wonderful review on Full Sail. We’ll, as long as we have a voucher (Steve Martin).

So let me get this straight

He states he is going to Full Sail, and getting 4 year Game Developer bachelor degree in 2 years AND going to a traditional 4 year public universities at the SAME time where he is also getting his BS in Computer Science.

Does it not sound a little odd that his critque of public university is so low, and yet he is still going to one AT THE SAME TIME!!!? Just what courses would he want at a traditinal univesity? He states they are so “slow, dumbed-down, and dull? When I was a Mechanical Engineering student, I took 2 years of college calculus and and a year of physics, which the CS majors had to take too. I assure you NONE of us thought they were “slow, dumbed-down and dull”?

As I have already stated, Full Sail is accredited, but the accredidation is by Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT), which is for trade schools. That is fine, since art can be taught as a trade, but traditional universities and colleges do not recognize credits or degrees from programs like this. He states “To drive my point home, my regionally accredited university has had no problem accepting transfer credits for courses I’ve completed at Full Sail, so the whole case against Full Sail’s accreditation is moot.”

I would like to know just what he could transfer? Core classes like math and programming would not transfer unless they are recoginized by “The Southern Association of Colleges and Schools” (SACS) which traditional universities in the south use for accredidation. If they are not, they can’t transfer. So wouldn’t that mean this guy would have to be taking redundant course work in his primary classes?

He might be able to petition a dean to give him credit for a couple of entry level courses, but there is no way any univeristy is going to let someone transfer junior or senior courses that they don’t recognize. So saying “no problem acceping transfer credits” appears to be misleading.

In closing I would like to point out that in the “JOB PROSPECTS” section he states “It’s no secret that entertainment media in general is an extremely competitive industry. Much more so than any other industry. Maybe one of a thousand film students will “make it big” and become rich or famous. The rest might work at a failing video rental store. You KNOW this before you start. If you choose a dumb thing to major in, and expect everything to be spoonfed or handed to you on a silver platter, you will fail. You will be one of the disgruntled dropouts writing negative reviews.”

So, even he states that you might be spending $80,000 (plus 2 years living expenses) and wind up working at a video rental store. So, while I am sure Full Sail is a fine school, I am not getting a warm fuzzy from this guy. Perhaps find a review from someone who has actually finished their “diploma” from the school.

Just my two cents. I could be wrong.
Ohmanoggin

#18

That reviewer is me. The pasted excerpt was some guy I don’t know. As a veteran, I have a lot of education benefits. I wanted to maximize the bang for my buck, so to speak. This is the reason for my concurrent enrollment at the public university. It’s just for fun, as a side project. If I didn’t have the benefits to do so much school at once, I would do only Full Sail.

To answer your first question, yes, compared to Full Sail, classes at public university do feel slow and dumbed down, even at advanced levels. I’m also sure the classes don’t feel slow and dull for everyone. Many Full Sail students fail their classes because the pace is too fast. In their Game Development degree, there is an average 18% on-time graduation rate, so obviously not everyone is able to keep up. For me personally, I find the pace to be just right, and the pace of regular school to be slow. If you’re an average lazy 18 year old, then regular school probably feels fast for you. I’m not, and it doesn’t for me.

Most of the programming and machine architecture credits from Full Sail can be transferred to nearby Valencia or UCF without issue. The general ed courses (Composition I, Public Speaking, etc.,) also can be transferred out. Some of the game-specific stuff, such as the “Rules of the Game” or the “Game preproduction” classes cannot transfer to credit as an equivalent of anything Valencia or UCF has to offer. The math classes at Full Sail do not transfer out, because they are condensed math. It can, however, get me department approval to test out of the intermediate classes. For example, my Calculus and Trigonometry class at Full Sail taught most of Calc I, some of Calc II, and a little Trig. It is not sufficient to gain credit for Trig at my other school, but I do have the option of testing out of both Trig and Calc I. To fill electives, however, I chose to just take Trig and Calc again (education benefits make tuition a non-issue) and get an easy A in both since I’m already proficient at both. On the same token, Full Sail accepted transfer credits from all general ed classes I’d done at Valencia. They did not accept the programming credits, nor the Operating Systems credit, because the ones taught at Valencia did not meet the higher standard of those classes at Full Sail, and after taking those classes at both schools, I wholeheartedly agree with that. I do not dispute that not everything will transfer in or out. The majority of it will. As far as transferring from a Full Sail BS into a Master’s at a regionally accredited university, that would be very tricky. It is possible, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Mostly because if you hold a BS in Game Dev and you want a Master’s, why not do the Game Design MS at Full Sail too?

As far as Full Sail’s other programs, like Web Design, Computer Animation, Sound and Film, they all appear to be very good at teaching their respective fields. Of course, I am also of the opinion that 99% Film and Recording Arts students in general (not just at Full Sail) are idiots with a pipe dream. To spend borrowed money on training in a competitive industry during a recession is just bad decision-making. If film or music is truly your passion in life and nothing makes you happier, I say go for it. However, I do not believe most of these students have discovered their passion yet, and I think many of them have unrealistic expectations about their job prospects when they finish. Game programming is a tough industry, but with this degree you can still fall back on a decent living in general software development and maintenance, which is significantly easier to come by than a decent living in film or music. If you have to borrow money for school, and you want to be able to pay it back, I’d say avoid film and recording arts and do something realistic.

#19

I was concerned that someone might try to hack your original link and change some stuff, so I thought it might be helpful to post it here, so you had a record of what it says.

Ohmanoggin

Full Sail University: A comprehensive review by MSTK

Okay, the time has come for me to address all this misguided Full Sail blasting. I’m always blown away by people who have never even set foot in Full Sail and know nothing about the school, but choose to say Full Sail is a scam and to make asinine speculations about it anyway. There seems to be a slew of negative reviews on Full Sail that have been spammed all over the place, and from what I can gather, by the same handful of disgruntled drop-outs and parents of troglodytic flunkies. I see a lot of young aspiring students in various forums inquire about Full Sail with regard to their film, audio, game design, art, and computer animation dreams. Most of these inquiries are met with caustic remarks that range from mild derision to outright scorn and blatant misrepresentation, coming from a small group of people with little to no actual personal experience with Full Sail or any of its students. This little review of mine is intended to correct the misinformation spread by the irate and the ignorant, and to provide accurate answers to those still curious about the prospect of attending this school.

First I’ll start by sharing what credentials I have to make the assertions I do. I’ve gone to college in the past, my first year being in 2000 at a 4-year university in Missouri (I also spent some time at Valencia College and UF). In those days, I wasn’t yet sure of what career path I wanted to take. I had a lot of interests, and dabbled in several of them educationally. I worked in IT (some repair, some database), for a few years until I decided that I was unable to find focus and needed to do something solid with my life. I joined the US Army. In my last year of service, I discovered my true passion in life, which dissuaded me from reenlisting. Once my service was complete, I chose to make a career-change into programming. I’m now currently enrolled in the Game Dev BS program. I’m also concurrently attending public university (Computer Programming AS from Valencia College transfer to Electrical Engineering in Robotics BS). I maintain a 4.0 GPA in both. I feel I have enough exposure to both traditional public college and Full Sail University to write an objective analysis between the two. This has been my experience so far.

ACCREDITATION
One of the things I hear most often is that Full Sail isn’t accredited. This is not true. Most public universities are regionally accredited by one of several regional accreditation agencies recognized by the United States Department of Education. Full Sail is nationally accredited by the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges, which is also recognized by the Department of Education, and which you can learn more about by visiting the Department of Education government website. This is because Full Sail is a trade school. At trade school, you learn how to perform a job. There is very little general education required. All this means is the criteria for transferring credits between Full Sail and a regionally accredited school differs slightly from the criteria for transferring credits between two regionally accredited schools. You would face the same issues in transferring credits from a school accredited by one regional accreditation agency (such as the Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges) to a school accredited by a different regional accreditation agency (such as the Southern Association of Schools and Colleges). To say that Full Sail is not accredited is, quite frankly, a lie. As far as employers go, it makes no difference what accreditation your school has, so long as it is officially recognized by the Department of Education. To drive my point home, my regionally accredited university has had no problem accepting transfer credits for courses I’ve completed at Full Sail, so the whole case against Full Sail’s accreditation is moot.

ADMINISTRATION
This is one I’m willing to yield to the critics. Full Sail’s administrative offices are my biggest complaint, as the various departments tend to have trouble communicating and coordinating with each other. It took several weeks, as well as escalation to higher management, for them to figure out my VA benefits, FAFSA eligibility, billing, transfer credit, etc. My student advisor has been the only person so far who seems to be on top of their game. Without her, the already grueling process of sorting out all these issues would have been nothing short of a nightmare. However, once all my administrative stuff was taken care of it, somewhere during my 2nd month of class, it was smooth sailing thereafter.

INSTRUCTORS & CURRICULUM
The teaching staff has been great. Every instructor I’ve had has been knowledgeable, experienced, available, and easy to learn from. You don’t have to take my word for it, as they have the high ratings on ratemyprofessor.com to back it up. Even the lab techs are extremely knowledgeable, personable, and available. The material is also great. Very little time is wasted on irrelevant general ed courses, leaving only those which actually benefit you in the field (Composition, Public Speaking, Interpersonal Communication, etc.), and the rest is all core training. I have nothing negative to report on any of the instructors so far. On the contrary, they actually seem much more personable and accessible, willing to provide their patience and understanding to help students learn. This is in stark contrast to the cold and distant attitude of probably 80% of the instructors I dealt with in other schools.

COMPARISON: PUBLIC UNIVERSITY
As previously mentioned, I’m attending Full Sail and a nearby public university at the same time, and doing this has made me realize just how much I love Full Sail. Education at a traditional public university feels so slow, dumbed-down, and dull. Doing 6 classes at a time, none of which are zeroed in enough on the topics they are supposed to teach, and having those same classes for 3-4 months straight tends to leave me scattered, unfocused, and bored. A year of college left me feeling like I had the same level of expertise as I did before I started. Then public school has the added stressors of hoping the class you need next is scheduled to run next semester, hoping you can register for it in time before it fills, figuring out which book (the one on the website or the one in the syllabus) is the right one for your class, finding and buying that book before class starts, and often having to attend different campuses all over town to get the class you need. Half the time the instructors have very little involvement with the class and are only at the school for their own research projects, are inaccessible, and have poor teaching practices as reflected in their ratings. Tutors sometimes cost money too. Parking decals run about $80 a term. There are some student success programs, but I’ve never seen much recruiting done on campus at any of the public colleges I’ve attended, especially not from any of the larger well-known companies. A 2-3 hour class drags on painfully when I’m sitting there bored checking the clock every 2 minutes.

COMPARISON: FULL SAIL
By contrast, at Full Sail I focus on one or two classes at a time, delve deep into the subject, and learn so much more in a single 1-month class than I learn in six 4-month classes at public school. I mean that literally. My first 1-month long programming class taught me more than I’d learned in a year of programming in public school. My scheduling is done automatically. My books are issued to me before each new class, so there is no hassle of finding and buying them, plus they are all brand new. All my core classes are in one building. Laptops with the appropriate software pre-installed are issued during orientation week. Tutors are available for free. Classes failed can be retaken for free. Even classes passed can be retaken for free. You’re (usually) free to sit in on any class in the program if you have the free time and desire to do so. Parking is free. I’ve personally witnessed representatives from AMD, ATI, Google, and EA recruiting on-campus. An 8-hour class blasts by in the blink of an eye, sometimes before I’m even ready to leave.

To summarize in a side-by-side comparison:
Public University
Full Sail University
[ul]
[li]Take 3-6 classes at a time.[/li][li]Take 4 years to graduate.[/li][li]Classes are slow and dumbed down.[/li][li]Hope the class you need is available next semester.[/li][li]Hope you register for class in time before it fills.[/li][li]Figure out which book you need, then find and buy it before class.[/li][li]Attend various campuses all over town to get the class you need.[/li][li]Aloof attitude from instructors.[/li][li]Tutors cost money.[/li][li]Work-study pays minimum wage.[/li][li]Parking decals run about $80 a term.[/li][li]Scant recruiting on campus.[/li][li]Start/stop at any time, transfer in and out.[/li][li]Curriculum offers a vague understanding of your chosen field.[/li][li]Possible to skirt by on the minimum and graduate with little proficiency.[/li][li]Pay to retake failed classes.[/li][li]Pay to retake passed classes (for refresher).[/li][li]Sit in on future classes in your program generally not allowed.[/li][li]No professionalism standards.[/li][li]On-campus housing.[/li][li]Surrounded by bimbos and wanna be thugs.[/li][li]Math entrance exam will accept as low as pre-algebra.[/li][/ul]
[ul]
[li]Take 1-2 classes at a time.[/li][li]Take 2 years to graduate.[/li][li]Classes are fast-paced and delve in deep.[/li][li]The class you need is always running.[/li][li]Scheduling is automatic, not competitive.[/li][li]Books are new, and issued at the start of each class.[/li][li]All core classes are in one building, all classes on one campus.[/li][li]Instructors are courteous, patient, and accessible.[/li][li]Tutors are free.[/li][li]Work-study pays $10 an hour.[/li][li]Parking is free.[/li][li]Several large companies recruit on campus.[/li][li]Expect to keep going until you finish. Transferring is tricky.[/li][li]Curriculum offers indepth expertise of your chosen field.[/li][li]Not possible to progress without proficiency.[/li][li]Retake failed classes for free.[/li][li]Retake any passed class for free, any time.[/li][li]Sit in on future classes in your program generally allowed.[/li][li]GPS point program tracks your professionalism in school.[/li][li]No on-campus housing available.[/li][li]Surrounded by wanna be producers, very few females.[/li][li]Math entrance exam requires college-level algebra and trigonometry.[/li][/ul]
EXPENSE
Full Sail is expensive. This is true. However, it’s not so much more expensive than other schools as you may have been told by the previously mentioned troglodytes. My Game Dev BS costs around $80,000 total in tuition and fees. That may sound like a lot of tuition for less than 2 years (if you don’t fail any classes) of school. That part is true. But what’s often forgotten here is the fact that this 2 years covers a 4-year degree. That’s 2 years worth of living expenses you save. Depending on what your living expenses run, that alone could make up for the high tuition. Your tuition and fees also cover all of your books, brand new, issued to you at the start of each class. No fussing about books. It covers parking. No fussing about decals. It covers tutors. No fussing about help. It covers your laptop. No fussing about equipment and software. It covers retakes. No fussing about failed classes. Oh yeah, and it’s worth mentioning again, TWO YEARS OF LIVING EXPENSES saved.

JOB PROSPECTS
All I can say on this topic is how tired I am of hearing people blame their schools for their inability to get a job. No matter what school you graduate from, that school does not control the job market. If they could, I’m sure they would. It is your responsibility to exercise due diligence before committing to a major life decision like your educational and career path. It’s up to you to choose the degree you want. If you pay a school for an education, they will give it to you. It doesn’t matter how stupid your chosen major is. If your school offers a degree in Women’s Studies or Weasel Poop and you choose it, they will give it to you. What you do with it once you leave their doors is all on you, not them. It’s no secret that entertainment media in general is an extremely competitive industry. Much more so than any other industry. Maybe one of a thousand film students will “make it big” and become rich or famous. The rest might work at a failing video rental store. You KNOW this before you start. If you choose a dumb thing to major in, and expect everything to be spoonfed or handed to you on a silver platter, you will fail. You will be one of the disgruntled dropouts writing negative reviews. Choose the education you want wisely, and take responsibiliy for yourself instead of blaming Full Sail, the government, Obama, Big Oil, Islam, or whatever other ignorant crap you people try to push your failures onto.

For a quick case study of the job situation, here’s a snippet from http://forum.freelanceswitch.com/topic.php?id=10936&page=2

PERSONAL PREFERENCE
To illustrate just how much I value the quality of my Full Sail education, as a veteran, my education benefits would pay for me to attend any public school I want 100% free. To attend Full Sail, however, I have to spend several thousands out of pocket, because the VA pays private schools much less. I chose Full Sail anyway, and I couldn’t be happier with that choice.

RECOMMENDATION
On a final note, I do want to stress what others have said, that if you don’t really know what your passion is, and you don’t have a strong work ethic, then Full Sail will be too fast, focused, and demanding for you. If you “just want to make phat beats,” if you think you should do game dev because you “like to play a lot of games,” if you want to be a “famous Hollywood director,” or any other half-assed pipe dreams, then you shouldn’t be blowing an $80,000 load on your overdue wake-up call into reality. If you have a true, deeply founded personal passion, I mean PASSION for it - when no matter how much you do it it never gets old, you constantly crave more of it, you don’t go in and out of phases of it every year - then Full Sail is a place where you can dabble in your fantasy and start a future working toward it.

#20

CornColonel,
You stated:
“As a veteran, I have a lot of education benefits. I wanted to maximize the bang for my buck, so to speak. This is the reason for my concurrent enrollment at the public university. It’s just for fun, as a side project. If I didn’t have the benefits to do so much school at once, I would do only Full Sail.”

I am impressed that the GI bill will contribute tuition at two schools at once.

Thanks for updating your original review. Yesterday, the review said you were taking Computer Science at UCF. Now it says Electrical Engineering in robotics. Wow, since I went to engineering school too, and know how hard we had to study and how dedicated we had to be, I am amazed that someone could do such a rigourous program at Full Sail AND study engineering at the same time. I am really impressed.

I am still a little puzzled though

You state: “The math classes at Full Sail do not transfer out, because they are condensed math.” You say they cover Calc I, some Calc II and little Trig.

Assuming Calc I and Calc II means Differential and Integral Calculus. I am absolutely blown away by the fact that you could get an easy A in Calc I and Trig after only having studied them for 4 week (one month) in courses that you say are “condensed”. I always thought condensed ment they leave stuff out. I guess those focused, intense courses must really pay off.

I am also equally blown away by the fact that you could use these two courses as ELECTIVES in an engineering program. I was always under the impression that Trig was a prerequisite (usually taken in High School) for Calculus, and Calculus was a core course that ALL engineering students must take. My school screwed us over by making us take electives that were not part of the required course work. I chose an extra course in Linear Algebra and another in Statistics.

You state:
“As far as transferring from a Full Sail BS into a Master’s at a regionally accredited university, that would be very tricky. It is possible, but I wouldn’t recommend it. Mostly because if you hold a BS in Game Dev and you want a Master’s, why not do the Game Design MS at Full Sail too?”

If you locate ONE, just one master’s program outside of Full Sail that will accept your bachelor’s degree as their prerequisitve, please post who they are. It is okay if it is “tricky”, as long as it can be done.

Just curious. The price of the bachelor’s degree in Game Development is $80,000. Just what is the price of the Master’s Degree at Full Sail? Please be gentle. :smiley:

Ohmanoggin