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#81

I find it very disturbing that certain people think so much of themselves and their own beliefs that they dare question love between two people, gay or not.

#82

Yea they’re so in love with eachother’s souls that they want their bodies,
otherwise they’d just be best of friends , right ?

but yea , I don’t know all, live and learn :thumbsup:

(oops, responded :cry:, how will this end?)

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#83

Squib -

Here goes, my last bit on this (sigh).

The love, in my eyes, that you feel for a partner and the love that you feel for a friend are very different in quality. Perhaps of equal depth, but different all the same. It’s not just sex that separates the best friend you’ve ever had and the love of your life, is it? That’s simplifying matters quite a lot, not to mention not doing justice to the nuances of emotion that humans are capable of feeling.

I love my friends, very deeply. Three of the best and most wonderful people I have known are guys, and though I adore and feel deeply for them, I do not love them the way I’ve loved boyfriends in my past. You see: different types of love. It’s not only a matter of lust.

Is it so hard to imagine, then, that someone would feel this deep, wonderful, glorious emotion of love – and want, lust, need a person so much, even if that person is of the same gender? Where is the harm in that?

I can’t see how the world would possibly be a better place simply because these people wouldn’t love the ones they love now. Perhaps you would be happier with everything fitting more neatly in with how you feel, what your preferences are and what turns you on… I do not think, however, people only being able to love those of the opposite gender would make any better impact on this world than people only being able to love someone who is tall, someone who is short, fat, slim, or of any particular skin colour. When there are so many things that are messed up, twisted, hurtful, vicious and painful in the world – everything from war, famine, to abuse and neglect – I guess I can’t see how such a thing as two people simply loving one another, or looking for someone to love can be a bad thing.

And from now on, I’ll only comment on the art aspects. I think these things, too, play into how we paint though – it’s a reflection on how we perceive the world, what kind of things we believe in and how we’d like to change society around us.

#84

This thread has gone on a tangent. :shrug:

#85

Indeed!
It is quite gratifying that there is a distinct abscence of bodybags though.
I secretly made it a boomerang Ines, it will get back on track, patience good fellow:cool:.

Chris.

#86

I agree, there are many forms of love. The English language only has one word for ‘Love’ (the same with many other languages). I find it interesting that
In the Greek New Testament, there are three different words used which can be translated by the English word “love”:
agapê (love, charity) and words derived from it
philia (friendship, love) and words derived from it
storgê (natural affection), only as astorgos (lacking natural affection)

A fourth Greek word for “love”, eros (attraction, sexual love)

but again as InesD said, we are going off on a tangent hehe.

I think art is influenced by everything, you’re up bringing, the different places you live, the different places you visit, the same goes for the different people you meet and live with. We are influenced by everything; our subconscious sees things that we consciously do not notice.

#87

It went sour at ‘summin’ sommin’… homophobia… ad said hurah’

I’ve been wondering for two pages how homophobia got into this. Back on-topic.

I guess the whole point somewhere was that the attitude in general is to fear close contact, because of our sensitivity to sexuality(or insensitivity).
Since we’re trying to strike some core here anyway… how would this all fit in with our youths since that part of our lives shapes us a lot.

Like so many nowadays, I had a rather distant relationship with my parents, which I think contributes to me making rather desolate pieces at times.
Standing in the dark with the pale reflection of ones own existance to be the only light.

How would this be with others I wonder. :slight_smile:

edit: @Enialadam, interesting. I always found that that was just. Because there are as many loves as there are lovers. So it’s the poet in those that will name their love, or otherwise describe their feelings :).

#88

Verily I say unto thee,…
That boomerang shall have a name,…
jm/enialadam!

nonetheless I found the dissertations interesting,…
I am ,… I guess,… a morbid bastard at heart.:cool:

#89

I’m all for stating the obvious if needed :rolleyes:, as long as it goes somewhere. :stuck_out_tongue:

edit:j/k, but still… care to elaborate? Morbid?

#90

Haha,when coming home from work just now you literally made me climb and run on
a slippery, snowy, rocky hill and toss a snowball in the air and catch it with my face!
Nice stuff, Lady , and with white, rolling hills and snowy trees around, fast moving
clouds and starry sky above, now there’s some feeling! Lacked love, but sporty!

Different kinds of love indeed, always wondered if you could do more :wink:

Ah, well, but the people are getting restless, seems somebody must catch the topic
before it slides over the edge, eh?
looks around

continues babbling while the topic slides further. But the look on the topic’s face
is now far from desperate or scared, as Kanga has somehow managed to convince it
things will be okay again

Okay I’ll keep this short for now and just throw in a question , food for thought,
take it as you will : Could it be that all that is wrong and twisted in the world is
the same ? And even the most precious, dearest, sweetest , coolest, Rrockin’ thing
called Love is as much affected by abuse , disease and neglect as everything else?
How about : we tolerate some of this twistedness because we don’t want to be cruel
to our fellow people and because we do not yet have the ability to change things,
even though we know they’re not alright ?

Handicapped people can be the sweetest, purest souls. We’d never want to
harm them. Would anybody want them to look and act as they do, with disfunctioning
bodies and/or minds? Or would we change it if we could?
They might not mind, they’re used to it, but…

It is quite gratifying that there is a distinct abscence of bodybags though

uhm … how’s it went like … -En Gardé thrust parry thrust dodge
faint thrust parry *thrust -touché ! bows :arteest:

Sweet Madalaine, I always remember the first time your frail little form stepped
into my great hall and even when I, with a mere wave of my hand , never touching,
closed the great iron doors behind you ,blocking your way out , teasingly trying to
make you feel helpless and alone, you were never afraid and just flicked off the lights
and left me grinning madly in the darkness , for there are not many times I have been
so totally surprised in my own abode.

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#91

It boils down to this squibbit, your taking it as you see it. Not as it is, because you can’t see what it is, nor can I. And in that’s the ambiguity of telling other people what to do. Consider this for instance, the world 's over populated and something HAS to be done. No human will come up and say ‘oh dear way to many,’ unless they have another agenda. Considering the methods to solving this problem are against human nature and involve large amounts of bodybags in general.

Wouldn’t it be a better solution for gay people to be born more often, and shouldn’t they be reveared and respected for solving this dread on our heads? It surely involves less suffering.

And this is rethorical yes, but I mean to say that nothing is supposed to be taken at face value. I hope I made some point with this allready. sigh

#92

:surprised if something can cause that to happen , would be way better in my eyes
if parents got just 1 child everywhere for some time , that would quickly do the thing , eh?
:slight_smile:

1 000 000 people get 500 000 people get 250 000 people , etc.
you see, it wouldn’t even have to be that drastic to have the desired effect
and everybody would still have children to love and raise :slight_smile:

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#93

I look at it like this, it aint right, opinion though. It is what I believe, but I ain’t going to change it, it is there for a reason to learn from it. So I just let it be and take it as is, I still talk with the homo community, but I am not going to join the crown, I try to stay neutral in matters like these, and use it to learn from it. I was ignorant to it, and asked a guy that was gay how does it feel to be that way, and I got his honest opinion, he said it sucks, to be that way, u can probably think of the infinite possiblities to why he feels that way, but, I took the conversation and learned from it. I don’t know how other homos feel about being well, gay! I can guess, but that will do no good, I will have to research the whys and hows. my thoughts on this subject, but is a real touchy subject. I can spew from my mouth about this subject, forever and a day.

Back to the subject, yeah climate affects culture that Influences what kind of artwork is being done by the people of a particular culture, my thoughts on that!:thumbsup:

#94

Anyone of any race, creed, sexuality can be depressed and hate their existance. I’m sure there are plenty who like who they are.

#95

Yeah you are right, but still I will not truly know that if I don’t ask. I just can’t assume that. Where is the harm in asking about something, it is up to them to let you know what’s up.

#96

Oh, really? So, gays have an obligation to explain their sexual tendencies to all interested parties? My guess is that you just happened to ask someone who just happens to be quite open about these things.

I don’t get this. Why are you guys making these judgements? If you are straight, there’s no reason any gay person’s sexual tendencies to affect your lives. If not, then maybe you ought to go explore in your heads a bit in before condemning people.

Meddling with other people’s private business is something to be avoided at all costs. If both parties are consenting and sane, it’s none of anyone else’s business. Whether they are S/M, bi, trans, gay, or a bloody crochet club for grannies.

P.S. What? What do you mean, enough of this? But what am I to do with all the supplies? Go on, quit the subject, not as if I don’t have the flamethrower all nice and heated. Shame wasting those bodybags. Practically unused.

You can hardly see the stains.

#97

Sure!
“approach to all things dark and lovely”

Sometimes people have to get things off their chest. In this case whether I agree with a certain view or not is less important than gaining an insight into why someone makes what they make.

People have been pretty civil to each other so far, would be nice if we could keep it like that. Oh yeah,… if you feel the urge to write $%^#@*&! just write ‘bottom’ instead. Don’t call each other bottoms tho,… I’d hate to see us get locked.

Cheers Chris.:smiley:

#98

Amen to that. (As I include myself in those people.)

But to elaborate on the subject: I think I’m quite open, but I have strong views about how things ought to be done. And I think I could manage any kinds of styles, some better, some worse, but I also have strong views about what style goes where, and how. Not to mention my views on the etiquette of touch.

It’s all connected. What you do = who you are = what you do.

#99

That’s up to them, I have no problem with them, as long as they understand that I am not into that, and no I do not condemn them. I just am a little ignorant when it comes to this subject, I see that asking someone about themselves or their private life is not a problem. That is up to them to tell me something, I just wanted post my views on this subject. I am just an open person, yeh dig? You don’t even know the person I am talkin about if yur sayin’ that, I just put that persons business out, so I have avoided his business out, I did not state his name so will never know his name. So don’t get worked up about it. Just look at it like this, you got to crawl before you learn how to walk. Right now I am just learning how to walk, I hope that I did not offend you at all, If I have, I apologize. Just keepin’ it trill, at least you kept it trill with me, and is much appreciated, c ya around!:thumbsup:

Yeah, I agree with that, lets hope this thread stays open, you really have an interesting question, here. Nice topic. Bottom, LOL!:smiley:

Damn squib look at what u have started, LOL!:smiley:

#100

Wow what a difference to a year ago!

Proud of all of you.

Chris.