Don't Touch Me!

#61

I know it’s difficult to comprehend the idea of being hard wire genetically to behave in a certain way, but this is not a breaking new.There is a whole field of research in Genetics that studies culture, genetics, and social behaviour. This field of research is about hundred years old :slight_smile:

All what I’m saying is do not dismiss it based on speculation or conclusions out of observation.

Genes are turned on and off, and culture and environment are factors. most genetic studies that deal with biological disorders like cancer, autism, tobacco addiction, etc have proven that. A person could carry the genes that causes cancer, but could never get it.

A study of population behaviour; that is not a clear cut and obvious disorder; is very difficult indeed. It requires huge amount of statistics, data inquisition to be abe to determine that.

I urge you to go to these links below from the human genome project, and read and listen to what scientists are doing.
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#62

I think it’s often a symptom (effect) of psychological problems, however I’m sure in some cases it’s a reason (cause) of psychological problems.

Yes, I too saw this as a kid. Another thing I saw as a kid is government funded art, where my opinion was “An artist that can’t make a living isn’t much of an artist.” Entertaining thought! :slight_smile:

A good number of people choose different simply to be different. It’s a big reason why many become goths, hippies, or whatever. It is my opinion that being different just to be different is a waste. It seems that if one wants to be different they should have a purpose or reason for it; otherwise you’re just weird and not more intelligent, unique, or creative than the rest of society.

We’ll just see if these opinions get me in trouble…

#63

Even within a single culture, there will be contradictions. For example, most people wouldn’t associate Asians with showing affection physically in public, but it’s extremely common to see men in Asia walking with their arms around each other’s shoulder (especially after a few drinks) to express their friendship. They have no issues with fearing that others might think they’re homosexuals–it just doesn’t cross their minds. In southern China (specifically Fuzhou), I actually see men wrapping their arms around another guy’s waist from behind while hanging out on street corners or in front of stores–but these are straight men just being demonstrative of their affection for a buddy of theirs–no sexual overtones at all. It was hard to get used to for me at first because I grew up in the U.S., where men keep their distance from each other except for greeting/good-bye hugs (and even those aren’t exactly universally common in the States–many prefer just a handshake), and American straight men are especially protective of their manly image and hate the idea that anyone would think they’re gay. You see the same thing with women in Asia (especially the young ladies)–they love to walk around holding hands. You don’t see that in the U.S…

#64

PhantomDesign -

You know, some of the sweetest, gentlest and most mentally stable people I know happen to be gay. Beyond their taste in partner, most behave, act and live pretty much exactly like everyone else around them. They are just like people all around them – some have issues, some do not.

Your statement comes off as very hostile and unfriendly towards guys and girls who just happen to have a different sexual bend than you do.

As for the reasons to why many become “goths, hippies, or whatever”… whoah, ease back on the generalising. I highly doubt that most goth kids have the same reasons to choosing their lifestyle as the hippies do. As for the ‘whatever’, well… let’s just say that the same way that people have different tastes in some things (hey, some people enjoy the taste of olives, and others – like myself – almost yak at the mere smell of them), people also have different tastes in how they want to live their lives. If they ‘choose’ not to be part of your norm, it might be because they disagree with your way of living, thinking, and acting. To some, what you think of as normal might seem discomforting, or even strange and weird. You do not know their reasons. Not to want to be just like everyone else might be a big deal for someone and in itself a reason – who are you to say that it is a waste?

If we’re talking about teens, I think there are far more destructive behaviours than black makeup and pasty white faces. Think, alcohol, anorectic behaviour, bulimia, plastic surgery, violence, mood swings, teen pregnancies, drugs – stuff that a lot of kids get into, and not because of listening to Marilyn Manson or whatever might be the latest craze.

So, what am I saying? Don’t judge someone else’s choices as ‘waste’, and don’t judge someone else’s tastes as psychological issues. Many of these groups are mini-cultures in on themselves, with their own set of rules and morals – as long as they’re not actually hurting anyone… what’s wrong with that?

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#66

Very well said Enayla, Thanks

#67

off topic!
Ulcer is a bacterial infection not caused by depression…and cancer; well; as far as today it is considered to be a genetic mutation bla bla bla :sad:

#68

For most artists here and just about everywhere nude figures are probably the greatest challenge that exists. It’s a head study with the difficulty factor multiplied by 8. Whether it’s 2d or 3d I would dare to say that our mental and emotional state while working on nude figures is one of utter concentration.

However! One way that cultural frustration or repression is taken advantage of is the production of kinky or pornographic art. This artform and market has always excisted and some extremely beautifull art has been created in that genre. Without an indepth study I would venture to say that all cultures have and do produce this art except that the (quote) ‘touchy feely’ cultures appear more comfortable viewing it, thus lessening its power.

I won’t mention any examples as it will generate a taste war and that is not the point of this discussion.

I see some of the best art that is shown here is not only technically superior but radiates an emotional atmosphere that gives it that extra charge. Without intention in many cases these pieces adress or represent interactive issues making viewer identification easy, entertaining, thought provocing or even educational.

It has been obvious to me from the start that CGTalk has actively encouraged artists to think about what they make and foster an approach that will take our art to ‘a higher level’. Words like emotive, evocative and every challenge I have seen here or taken part in has been aimed at pushing us to the story telling edge. This is particularly true of the 3D genre as the majority of us poly jocks are up to our nuts in technology and tend to forget any kind of message. I’m not dissing still life studies but if you could model a car an inject emotion into it that would really be something!

On a personal level I have really enjoyed reading all your responses. Rants about sexuality, religion and politics have been tollerated more recently here and I feel the Art Discussion Forum is a perfect place for them as they are an integral part of what makes us what we are. If I stand back and look at the 3D art I have made then I am quite pleased with my technical progression but miss emotional expression.

The very next piece I make I will ask myself: ‘So I am a frustrated wierd individual, what do I have to say about that and how can I use it to make something far more powerful?’.

Cheers Chris.

#69

That’s because Irish people traditionally live very close to one another and hang out in the pub rather than in each others’ houses. Also, children used to practically grow up in the pub, where it was warm and there was a fire in the cold nights. This means that people grew up considering everyone in ‘the crowd’ their friend. From what I’ve seen, countries which are sparsely populated tend to produce people who aren’t comfortable with immediate friendliness.

Scandinavian countries are a lot more densely populated now than they used to be, so I think eventually people are going to lose that fear of small talk and craic… and become more personable.

Think about it: visitors coming to your farm now and again during the cold winter- you entertain them and are very pleasant and nice etc but if you contrast that to a big crowd coming over to a ‘makeshift’ pub every night, you can see where personality clusters in countries come from.

Just my 2c. :slight_smile:

#70

I have have a few gay guy friends. Before I found out they were gay, I actualy fancied them. I was attracted to their sweet, gentle behaviour. Kind of annoying sometimes that a lot of guys (not all), feel the need to act ‘rough’. But then again I’m sometimes attracted the the rough guys, I guess you can’t have it all :stuck_out_tongue:

Haha I used to love olives when I was younger but can’t stand them now :smiley:

#71

Olives kick ass :smiley: I could eat them all day…

British people are quite odd about this whole thing in my experience. We seem to be very open towards verbally communicating what we feel, whereas we shy away from physical contact - like you can scream and shout and swear till you are blue, but touch someone and they wince. I also find that we seem to be very cautious about brushing against strangers in the street etc.

I personally happen to be a very touchy-feely person who cries a lot (not necessarily out of sadness), so I guess I am somewhat of an national oddity there :). My best friend (not British, Dutch) also happens to be like me, and from our very open physical behavoir towards each other in this enviroment it is often assumed that he and I are together.

Not really much input into the actual thread there, just thought I’d share my own personal experiences on this matter. I’m enjoying this thread, interesting views people…

#72

You know, some of the sweetest, gentlest and most mentally stable people I know happen to be gay.

yea and some nice people bend to kill others , but they can be otherwise fine people too,
mostly

[edit] God, Squib, I’m sorry. I accidentally edited your post instead of responding to it, it wasn’t my intention at all. (Linda)

#73

Well, the year I passed at the Philipines Islands the only thing I missed from Spain (my homecountry), were the olives. At Spain you are the whole day eating olives with everything. Instead of peanuts, we have olives with a beer…go figure!

About touching. I am from a country where everybody tends to touch a bit too much to everyone. In fact sometimes I feel really uncomfortable about this because I am from a province where we are less friendly in our behaviour. Here everybody will kiss you when you are introduced to a woman (always twice), and personal contact is continous between everybody. When people come here I have to warn them about this (mainly those who come from Britain), as here it is not considered something offensive helding someone by his arm, or touching him/her to attract the attention or remark something while chatting.

I remember when I was first started to work I was introduced in Madrid to a nice Japanese woman, who was going to be my colegue for some time. Without giving her time to say “Hi”, I kissed her twice. She ran off nearly crying, as I later knew not even her mother had kissed her ever. She was really embarrased and I was sad I had caused so much trouble without knowing it. Well, such is life! :blush:

#74

Yeah and the levels of stress hormones in your blood have nothing to do with your state of health. Sure.

You just keep on believing that.

Jaysus! Dude, you do get the difference between ‘homosexual’ and a ‘homicide’ right?

#75

sure different but

both broken

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#76

Oh my. Since this is a civil discussion and we’re not (luckily) in the same room, I can’t react to that statement as I usually would’ve. I’ll just say that to a lot of people, this is just as inflaming as if you would have said it about someone of a particular religion, culture, colour or country.

I wish people would try to make up their minds about others on a personal basis rather than lumping them into a group and thinking they’re all the same. There are ways of life that I find very strange and weird, but I would never be as presumptuous as to assume that just because I don’t understand them or agree with their opinions, tastes or inclinations… that they would be somehow messed up.

I am, however, not going to discuss this any further with you.

(Sorry again for messing with your post - I had no intention to, I hit the ‘edit’ button instead of the quote button. I didn’t want to type anything back in after the deed was done, so please restore it to its former beauty when you can.)

#77

So you have first hand information on the subject? Or maybe some study you could quote?

#78

Accursing in the name of love, Squib? I wouldn’t do that if I were you.

#79

I just felt I had to say some thing here, I’ve never seen evidence that homosexuality is actually caused by psychological problems, but naturally due to attitudes surrounding it, it causes some problems in the homosexual s themselves. And in light of ensueing, the ones fearing the ‘other side’ are causing it then. Another fine example of needing to separate myself from these conformist folk. A mere need to be different I say.
I bet if you refine and relativate your opinions they’ll serve you better.

#80

ah , what can it be but just a view, I can’t just see it being right, sorry :).

My apologies for the nasty comparison , I think I’m trying to say that
in what I’d view as a perfect (or better, more accurately) world those
people would be pretty much the same except for the aforementioned
sexual tendencies. They’d just find members of the opposite sex to
appeace their love lust.

I ain’t gonna fence with words either, It’d be next Christmas again when
the thread would settle down from exhaustion, hey maybe it will, but I
hope not.

Already I been going through this a hundred ways to get what little
I’m gonna write right enough .

I always liked Linda’s wisdom, it makes me smile to read her wise words.
I felt like opinions needed to clash a bit, you know, to test my views,
perhaps to find some fresh views too.

peace

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