Digital vs Analogue art

#21

There was a really interesting comment late in that thread about giclee prints by emarts. To summarize: traditional artists use giclee prints to provide a low-cost alternative to their work. (His example: a $4K painting will have limited edition prints in the $400-800 range.) But for digital folk creating hard copies, you don’t have the “original”.

To generate value, he recommended making prints of “published” work. This enables the whole “well, it was paid for by a publisher so it must have value” sort of logic.

I wonder if there’s another way for digital work to gain value. It seems like most artists follow the field of dreams logic: “if you make it for a long enough time, they will come”. But it seems like you need to follow the “field of popularity” logic: “the artist has been featured by insert big name here, so the art must be good.”

Some ideas: big name websites, fancy people blogs, in general, things that are associated with “class” and “sophistication” (ugh). Big name companies do this sort of thing all the time. It’s called “public relations”. It’s not about lying, but providing a truth tinted in your favor. :slight_smile:

I wonder if there are people who specialize in artist PR. It seems like most artists rely on galleries to do this kind of work. In fact, most seem to find it rather disgusting. :stuck_out_tongue:

#22

The traditional world is full with people who can reproduce the same motive exactly the same over and over again. The medium does not guarantee quality nore originality.

#23

You’re not the only one with that problem. At some point you just have to decide to not care what anyone else thinks and just paint what you want and let the chips fall where they may. Don’t let fear hold you back!

#24

I think that much of digital art has the stigma it does because of the perception that it is all fantasy stuff or crudely altered photos. This is partly because these images seem to be most visible to the public. Ironically many of us who are able to create digital works in the manner of traditional artists are not accepted in the digital world becuase they are not digital enough. I happen to one of these artists and strive to get my artwork looking exactly like it was done with traditional art mediums.
Some of my criticism of other digital artists is that they don’t really percieve what real artistic mediums look like. Simply smuding and blurring a photo is not the same as creating the subtle nuances and texutes of a painting, or pastel. It can be done digitally but you’re going to have to go outside the box sometimes and experiment with other software programs and techniques to get there, and you’re going to have to look closely at real oil painting and other mediums to get a sense of the nuances of that medium.

#25

i laugh at this conversation cause it is so pointless. No one acepts digital art yada yada yada. I have plenty of shows her in cincinnati from coffee house to art museums to house shows… all digital. And have never had any problems with it. Just get out and do it. even the artist and graphic market book has places that buy and sell digital prints. ok i am done continue with you talk of what is and isnt possible or accepted. I will continue not to listen to limits and explore possibilities

#26

I think digital art also has a bad image because some people cheat a lot. They paint over photo’s, for example. Of course there are people that trace someone elses drawing but it’s not the same. I think digital will be used for commercial stuff for a long while, but the experience you get from working digitally can also come in handy when you try analogue. I had no idea how to use oilpaint, but since i started messing around in painter, I can actually make simple paintings in real life. I just have to remember that I can’t make layers, or use ctrl+Z when I accidentally spill some on the carpet :stuck_out_tongue:

#27

wow… my intentions was never to tell anyone that they can’t i was more aiming for a “how do we do it easier”
If you can live on digital painting, great! :slight_smile:

#28

no way was a refering to you original post… just the direction the conversation was traveling. it seems that people put a lot of ephesis on digital painting ( not being accepted period deal with it) than just doing it.

#29

I dont know if this has been said already…

Digital or analogue, both media (if you can categorise it as that) requires same principles; form, color, composition, theory, stroke (maybe). So IMHO there shouldnt be any comparison. I think its just that it is still the dawn of digital art and like anything else in life (mostly) we got people going against something new. But as time goes, people can assimilate it as a norm. (i guess:hmm:)

#30

assimilate…

looks at both our avatar texts and my siggy

:applause::applause::applause:

sorry, couldn’t help myself :p, resistance was futile snickers

Anyway, you forget that you can’t use things like REAL texture in a digital piece, so it’s not entirely the same principle :wink:

#31

One thing that I’ve noticed among friends and family is that they are just as impressed and intrigued by digital work as traditional art. They all have little or no art training, experience, etc. However, a lot of artists who use solely traditional techniques tend to frown upon digital. This isn’t to say all of them are though, I was fortunate enough to have teachers in high school who embraced (even though they weren’t too good at it in all honesty) digital art and encouraged anyone who was interested in it to try it out.

It’s rather funny how the art community prides itself on being open minded, yet it quickly rejects digital art. I think part of the problem is they simply don’t understand it. They don’t know the time and effort that is spent honing digital art skills, and they think digital is a shortcut. I think they also don’t understand that to create truly great digital art almost always requires basic or even advanced knowledge and comprehension of basic art skills such as color theory, perspective, etc.

Myself, I appreciate both. Like danielh68 though, I have a bit more appreciation for say an oil painting on canvas. Something about it being a one of a kind (as opposed to multiple prints being available) that appeals to me. When I do paintings for family or friends, I tend to do it traditionally for this very reason. I also sometimes just prefer painting tradtionally, because I like the actual process of mixing paint, the tactile feed back of the brush against canvas, and the general process. Other times though, I just want to paint digitally. No cleaning of brushes, no waiting for the paint to dry, being able to open up a painting and get right into it, quit whenever I feel like it (not having to worry about finishing a certain part while the paint is still wet), that kinda thing.

#32

If you let me choose between anologous and digital, I choose digital. One reason is because I love digital. Its a combination of art, science, math, etc. I wouldn’t love art without the digital in front. You can say digital bring me into art.

People nowadays appreciate arts more. People began to care about looks. What they wears. Games graphics are heavily focus. People want beautiful websites, signatures, etc. Also, they go ga ga over digital shows and movies. All this lead to people appreciate arts more. It may not be how the traditional art lovers appreciates, but its how the majority public appreciates.

Its just how art have evolves. Its whether you wanna accept the changes. The world always goes round, Its up to you to follow. This is what I learn when I decides to commit myself into digital. And its pretty much the basic.

Without digital, you still stuck with people wearing king kong or gozilla suit, no star war, no incredibles, no world after tomorrow. Without digital, No games, no websites, no today cgtalk. Its not that its taking over analogous, its just evolving.

#33

Dunno if it has been mentionned, but i see a lot of traditionnal artist incorporating digital tools to help their works. I was watching a documentary called art :21 at school and they were interviewing Kiki Smith while she was drawing on a Cintiq. And i ve seen a few more contemporary artists using digital tools to help them in their art. I think it is a matter of time before digital artist get accepted in the fine art world, but i agree that the digital art world has to grow out of only sci-fi/fantasy/cartoony world.

I’m not expert in digital art nor fine art, but i do paint in both media and i still find painting on a canvas with oil and get yourself dirty is the way to go heheheh. Then again, lately, im trying to incorporate more the both in my works (scan, paint in photoshop, large prints as a base, touch up with acrylics and oils…)

I dont really think we should seperate digital and traditionnal, its just another tools to express your idea into a vision.

#34

Another question i wanna ask is why people think tracing photo and paint over them is cheating… for me, nothing is cheating in art as long as ur the one who create it and u r aware and know this is the effect u were aiming for. iI mean, people still trace over drwaing, use projectors for patinings, have assistants mixing the colors for them… r these cheating? A person can only do so much in that amount of time, its all about efficiency, why commercial art switch to digital is cuz its more efficient, time and money saved. I know some traditionnal artist paint over photos…dont see a problem with that, i dont see why it should be a problem with digital painting.

#35

An interesting spin off for me has been a new found appreciation of fine arts done with traditional mediums (painting, apstel, etc.). Coming from the photographic side of things I never gave much thought to the nuances of painting. Now I really appreciate and understand what goes into this and have a new found respect. It is very interesting to me to discover that very simple things which would otherwise make very ordinary photographs can make spectacular paintings - digital or otherwise. When I now look at paintings I study each brush stroke and overall look of the painting and in my mind try to translate it into how I would do this digitally.

#36

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