Body topology

#1581

This is my corrected version

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(Left is the correction, right is the old flawed one.

The ration between the width of the cheek and the height is 1.618, as kyroboy suggested earlier…
The face is divided into 5 parts horizontally, the nose occupies a little less than 1/5th of the central division, because i’m trying to give her a narrower-than-average nose. Eyes and the gap between the tip of the ear and the corner of the eyes are 1/5th each.

The face is divided into 2 halves vertically, the eyes situates right in the middle, the gap between the bottom of the nose and the chin is 1/4 the height, and the gap between the mouth and the chin is 1/8 of the width.

Hopefully this is correct proportion-wise!

#1582

i believe your problem is your refrence and your refrences refrence material… use a manipulated photo or spend alot more time at the drawing board

#1583

I don’t know.

The rigcage and waist may be okay if thats your liking.
It isn’t necessarilty wrong. Those things are attributed to height and possible
muscle/fat weight. Not meaning that the female will be fat but I think one should grab a few more references and not really similar girls. Frank Frazetta girls while stylistic are fantastic.

#1584

I don’t know.

The rigcage and waist may be okay if thats your liking.
It isn’t necessarilty wrong. Those things are attributed to height and possible
muscle/fat weight. Not meaning that the female will be fat but I think one should grab a few more references and not really similar girls. Frank Frazetta girls while stylistic are fantastic.

this is true, but even from brazil built women to un-healthy the underlying muscle/bone system remains the same and the near 90 degree fold in the thigh suggest near horizontal muscles.

more paintovers of subjects ranging from big butt, and thigh to almost all skin and bones. each still remain to have the simular muscular build underlying. with slight changes in the visiablity of certain muscles as the stored fat and muscle decreases.

#1585

more caps, of head Wip. The ear is still messy connection to the face, and there is an incorrect dent near the corner of the mouth that needs smoothed.

Does headsize seem accurate to the body proportion?

#1586

kryoboy,

Hey man, please keep posting all these references. They are great! And I agree with you. Looks like a general rule.

The only thing I disagree is about the “un-healthy” word for that poor woman. I’m far from my wife for some time now and I started to think that no more woman is un-healthy. Anyone looks pretty healthy for me right now! :smiley:

Now serious, I think your model is coming along very well man. My suggestion is about the volume in the back of her head. Take a look in some more references and you will see that area with more volume. The face looks in place and it’s coming well too but the general volume of the head, mainly the back, need more work. In the profile it looks nice but in the frontal view I can see that it need adjustments. Try to make that area wider and she will look better for sure.

Keep it up!
Kris

#1587

hey antropus,
was wondering if you could take a look at my model featured up earlier on this page. is it showing up for you all to see?? just wonder why no-one replied to this or my last post??

kryoby, head looks perfect to body proportion. keep it up, its a great looking model.

#1588

Most of my drawing skill i learned from my art teacher, and perhapse it seems that getting my reference from one sole source is no a very good idea…

When i get back later in the day, i’ll add a few lines which i can show you the divisions i made on the face, and from what you posted, it seems my mouth i a little misplaced. I’ll fix it up according to your image.

Thanks very much for the kind words Antropus. After some blastings, a few words of compliment are truely rejuvinating.

#1589

Antropus, your welcome.
Glad i can be of some use! I agree “un-healthy” may be alittle harsh term but the poor women seems to have a life threating eating disorder… I have a hard time viewing that section of my refrences.:sad:

I hope your wife gets a visa, so she can see u again… it must be hard to be so far apart.

I had just conneted the back of her head and its such a mess right now… Ill clean it up and increase the volume in the back of the head.

Now serious, I think your model is coming along very well man

I sure hope so. Mabey I can complete the compistion in time for the book entry.

Baker…
here is a paintover that i hope can help explain the corrections that i can see… Its easier for me to skribble lines that it is to do it typing… so here u go.

#1590

Hey Baker,

Man, my perception is the same as kryoboy. He did a good job with the paint-over. I think you used Angelina’s reference and in that reference she have her head inclined. You did a good job reproducing that inclination for the face but you forgot to follow the same inclination in other parts of the head, mainly the back of the head. Pay attention to kryoboy’s paint-over and you can correct it. Don’t forget to never trust in only one reference. Use as much as you can.

Take care,
Kris

#1591

thanks guys, speedy feedback.
will definitly look at those adjustments. the reference was actually froma model i photographed, im sure she will be stoked about the angelina thing!!
will definitly make those adjustments. thanks guys! :thumbsup:

#1592

Does headsize seem accurate to the body proportion?

I think the head is a little too small compared to the body, try enlarging it upwards in 2 or 3 % steps… also maybe add a simple substitute surface for the hair, so you can better judge the final size.

My second online CGTalk workshop is starting now, so I may not be in this thread very much for a while… but I’m really glad to see the extra activity in here recently. :slight_smile: Go kryoboy, excellent references!

#1593

Here is my update:

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Any comments welcome.

craouette

#1594

OK, the correction of the reference!

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So, is she a good-to-go now? or are there still proportion/placement issues awaiting to be solved?

#1595

CosmoHorizon -
what style are you going for?? i think you should use reference with a little depth/shadeing. if you going for a stylised(Pixar) look, then i would say there arn as many considerations as a realistic head. for this character im doing, her initlial concept was a drawing, but im using a bit of photo reference for anatomical reason and cause im doing a more realistic character with her. this model ive used, just happens to look like how i drew the character, but ive strayed from it looking exactly like the model, and more into character. but i recommend better reference

Kryoboy-
thanks for the feedback, i made some adjustments as you suggested, think you hit the nail on the head, much happier with her now. im using the triangle to compare between the reference and the model…think its better?

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#1596

Baker, i’m not going for a stylised head and i also have no access to photographic references…as much as i would like to. I think majorly because my model is not based on any physical character, so it seems like a drawn reference is all i have. besides, if i get the low-res version (ther very very low mesh one) to my liking, adding in details should not be such a big hassle…

So, is my reference ok to use?

#1597

This is my reference, a cleaner version of my hand drawn version…

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as you can see, i also attatched my side view and made some minor changes to the front
view.

I followed the proportion guide by kyroboy, but…it appears to me that the gap between the lower lip and the chin is too large…is it because my lips are too thin or is there something wrong with it?

BTW, the reason i have no photographic reference is because my school considers 3d.sk to be “on the edge” of pornography, and our educational filter regards it so…

If i was to acquire some reference, i’ll have to do it as an individual…i suppose that’s doable, i’ll discuss with my supervising teachers tomorrow

#1598

. but I’m really glad to see the extra activity in here recently.

Yes, its been quite a buzz here recently.

Baker17 - Thats alot better, but i see a few more adjustments and your not far from a great face.

so more skibbles for you!

#1599

Kryoboy-
cheers man, your a great help on this forum, i think we sould all start posting reference points here too?? its related to topology. scribbles is what i like!! us visual people dont think in words!

CosmoHorizon-
yeah, there is nudity in 3D.sk, but pornography?? well, i suppose thats up to the individual. :shrug: im sure you can get ahold of a digital camera, or whatever camera, and like kryoboy did earlier, manipulate the image. i really would reccoment something with some shade in it, like a photo, or sculpture, or a shaded drawing, it hlps think dimensionally. dont get too stuck on using one point of reference, like antropus pointed out to me earlier, i use bundles of reference, from anatomy books to photos to drawings.
even though the person you photograph might not be exactly what you like, the ol liquify tool, is amazing! if you feel your an experienced enough modeller, then perhas that might be all the reference you need, but i have been drawing human figure since i can remember, and still to this day use reference, and i dont know alot of artists that dont have piles and piles of reference. the more the merrier. here’s some scribbles for you, i think visually, like kryoboy, its not exactl accurate, as i did it rather quickly, but hopefully it helps?

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#1600

I’ll negotiate some deal with my school today, and if they are still reluctant towards it, i’ll subscribe to the site as an individual. I don’t have time to do so right now, but i’ll fix up my reference once i get back from my life drawing class today