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#121

Hey all,

I’m at campus again, got some drawings on paper here, will scan them in when im back home in the weekend. I was using the images for assignment 2 for gesture drawing, I find it difficult to draw the gesture for those images. Since i followed vilppu dvd’s, im used to draw the gesture in a form of a flow rather then the real contour. But I find it hard to catch the flow/movement of the drawing, especially the twist of the body.

Anyone got some tips on how to draw the twist in the body of the drawings in rubens? using primitive lines and shapes ?

anyway, I see that ur guys improve pretty fast (Y) keep it up !

ciao

#122

hi calvin, which part of the dvd that you bought? i was thinking to purchase the dvds but noticed that each chapter sold seperately - what do you think of the dvd?
i guess i’ll just purchase the book firts, since everything is in them, and try one of the dvd

#123

Calvin_C,

Hey there, with these poses, though they look much more complex than your ‘typical’ pose, really have as their core structure the same basic simple components as any pose ~ it’s part of the reason why I chose to assign these poses, to get you guys to see the simple behind the apparently complex.

Any pose can be reduced in terms of simple shapes. Vilppu’s method describes this in depth ~ the combined upper and lower torso (rib cage and pelvis) can be described as a peanut shape, or the combination of two spheres or balls. Think of these balls as made of plastic or bendable material. Remove all of the exterior forms from any complex figure, such as the drawings of Rubens which we are copying, and you will find this basic, two~sphere combination shape.

As practice, trace Rubens’ drawings to find these simplified forms. You will start to see this simplified form in every figure you draw!

Check out Erich Schreiner’s Anatomy Thread, where I posted some examples of Vilppu’s work:

Hope this helps! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#124

Dreamy Kid,

I would recommend getting the book (Vilppu Drawing Manual) before investing in each of the DVDs. I saw that that is how he sells them, and rather disagree with that approach. But the book is independent of the DVD’s, and contains a lot of information which should, I think, be sufficient. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#125

Hi again.
I see everybody’s pushing the thread forward :). I’ve managed to scan my traditional studies, so here they are:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/traditional/06.jpg
Some is done from reference (all faces, few ot the eyes…), other from life (for expample: all finger/hand/whatever studies)

At the moment I’m thinking of an attempt at a portrait. After I give it a go, I’ll start with exercise 1. It looks fun, although I’m not into gesture drawings.

Mr. Mu, yeah I guess you’re kind of right, but soon you’ll see what a flop I’m at figure drawing and pretty much everything else. Guess we’ll have to help each other (that goes to everybody). I had in mind doing a portrait before you mentioned it, so I’ll try harder not to disappoint ;).

#126

lunat1k,

Good to see your drawings, and I look forward to seeing your work for Exercise 1! I think that Gesture Drawings are a key ingredient in learning how to draw, so do not overlook their usefulness! :slight_smile: In fact, I think that Gesture drawing is sometimes even more useful in the process of learning how to draw than is doing extended / long studies. Really, a combination is necessary to learn how to draw the figure. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#127

I’ve decided to postpone the portrait and came up with this:

 [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/devalvatora/gesture01.jpg[/img]

As with all of my previous attempts one major problem I find is the hands. Maybe I’ll try to start using cylinders for the arms… I really don’t know what to do with those 15 minutes. But I must admit it’s getting addictive. Tomorrow I’ll try some more.

#128

lunat1k - wonderful gesture sketches, nice flow of lines:applause:

#129

lunat1k, those look great!! :thumbsup::applause:

I guess you’re starting with the tablet, right? Try doing more fluent lines, instead of trying to do them right at the first one. Think that these are sketches, so paint over the previous lines, and erase the undesired lines later. Also, maybe you’re focusing too much in doing the right lines (look at the right tight in the 5 minutes sketch), but they look impressive (far better than mine!). Don’t worry about the hands, as they’re details after all. The way you drew them in these sketches is perfect in my honest opinion :thumbsup:

Keep up the good work! :scream:

Rebecca, I found Hogarth’s “Drawing dynamic anatomy” book at the library today :bounce: :smiley:

#130

nice flow luna :beer:

Kencho, glad you find the book - i’m sure it will be useful for you as it has been for me - i actually just did the head study practice from the book this morning :cool:, the book has been so useful during my 3d anatomy modelling process, enjoy :wip:

#131

lunat1k,

WOW, good work! Glad to hear it’s getting addictive…you’ll definitely improve by doing these consistently. :thumbsup: I agree that it’s less important to get the details of the hands and things than just the overall flow as you have done so well here. Keep going, you’re definitely on the right track! :thumbsup:

Kencho,

That’s great! Now we expect to see some studies! :wavey:

Dreamy Kid,

You ought to post some of your 3D stuff here as well! :slight_smile:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#132

hehe i’m still working on my website bec, i’ll dump all my works there once i’m done ( almost done ), i dont have the confidence to show my works though…but oh well, this is for learning purpose haha i think it might be helpful for you if you see what i’ve done :scream:

#133

Hey, can’t wait! :thumbsup: Looking forward to seeing your work…though if you’re going to put your work onto a website where anyone can see it, why be shy about posting to a forum where a group of helpful individuals might see it? :slight_smile:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#134

Good work from all those who have posted. This thread has given me the motivation to continue drawing now that my art class has finished for xmas. Looking at other people’s work and reading the comments, critiques and advice is a great way to learn.

Since my last post I have been working on the first assignment and have found it a useful exercise. I’m still learning the basics, but these extra exercises provide the opportunity to do something different and perhaps more expressive. The results also gave me a clearer indication of what level my drawing skills are at.

Hope you don’t mind too much, but I have provided links to the drawings for the first assignment. I was a little un-economical with my paper usage until the last drawing.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_001_2_5m.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_001_15m.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_002_2_5_m.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_002_15m.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c259/kopprsnake/Gesture_Drawing_003_2-5-15m.jpg

Thanks for your time, I shall make a start on assignment 2.

#135

Hi kopprsnake - if you paste the links you provided in the mountainAndSunImageIcon in the text editor you can post the images inline, like this:

which is the one gesture sketch of yours I like most.:thumbsup:

#136

Mr. Mu, Dreamy Kid - thanks guys, I really appreciate it.

Kencho, you’re so right. I really was trying to nail the lines as close as possible. I agree with you on the hand issue. Thanks for the feedback.

[color=DeepSkyBlue]Rebecca, thanks :). I think I’m starting to realise how these gestures can help a lot.

Kopprsnake[/color], those are really nice. My favorite is the 2 min one from your last link.

#137

Although this isn’t a part of any assignment I though I show it. (god, I have to do them now, final tests in Physics and Mathemathics are crawling up my back :frowning: )

Also posted in the 15 min sketchathon.
Im quite happy how this one turned out, I feel like I improved somewhat (compare to this one http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5319/workshop2small5bt.jpg which took over 15 min)
Kinda feel like im starting to loosen up a bit and have more control over my lines and seeing forms much clearer now :thumbsup:

#138

gorg, i agree with you, i can totally see that you’ve improved alot:thumbsup: nice job

#139

and indeed you are - big improvement:thumbsup:

if you should ever feel like taking this further you should increase the size of the chest and the head in relation to the rest of the torso and legs

#140

Everyone,

as we all share the problem of focusing on essence instead of details I would like to share a method I use to capture the essence real quick.

If you, rebecca, think this is nonsense, feel free to edit my post or make me do it in public as a penalty:D

The plan is to jot down the line(s) of action…

What does that mean?

Well it is easier to show than to explain.

Simple, simpler, lines of action. This is the level of detail of stickmen. Afterwards you can go and use these guide lines to add detail and even correct proportions as you go.

hope you find that useful: