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#201

Serkeien,

Welcome aboard! It would help if you could A. Tell us something about your background / training, and B. Show us examples of any finished work / or galleries of finished work which you may have.

The eye is indeed gorgeous. A great thread that is going on right now that might help you to loosen up / capture the whole figure is the:

15 Minute Sketchathon thread:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498

Where people draw in 15 minutes using the Reference from the companion thread:

I5 Minute Sketchathon - Thread 1: Reference
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=298699

What’s important is less an individual piece of work, and more of the amount of mileage, or practice, you get by doing several pieces. The 15 MS thread is a great way to get a lot of mileage quickly.

Hope to hear more from you. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak


#202

Hello, my name is Kami. I am 17 and I am attending highschool as a junior. I am not in any art class rightnow. I usually go online and try learn how to draw. I’ve always enjoy looking at beautiful artworks and I want to make my own someday.
I read through some tutorials in the forum and I think they are really helpful. Here’s the drawings I just did after reading throught the tutorials.
http://www.deviantart.com/view/26587821/

I really want to improve and be a good artist! So please give me some pointers!
thank you.


#203

Thank you spirit dreamer for the website. Guess what I went to order all 3 books. ‘Dyanmic Anatomy’, ‘Drawing the Human Head’ and ‘Digital Character Design & Painting’. So in total I have bought 5 books for my new hobby. Do you think I will be able to finish those books? Seem like an awful lot for starters. By the way do you think this book The Photoshop and Painter Artist Tablet Book: Creative Techniques in Digital Painting is good? Or do I not need it as I have gotten the ‘Digital Character Design & Painting’ ?

By the way spirit dreamer, I couldn’t find how to do step 1 in painter.

Step #1 Tinted picture using colored spotlights found in effects, top of screen

I don’t see colored spotlights under the Effects menu.

Anyways this is a sketch I did of a reference found in the 15 minute sketchathon thread. Hope I am getting better not worse :hmm:

(2 mins)

(5mins)

(10mins) I think the legs are too thin

The 2 mins one I think is the most horrible one as I was trying hard to stay with 2mins.


#204

Here I was trying to learn from Rebeccak’s beautiful drawing. It’s my second drawing. I drew this while looking at her drawing on my monitor. I hope this is ok.

I really want to improve. so please give me some pointers on both this and my first drawing. Please help me get better. Thank you ^^;


#205

Hi
Lil Fairy…
Burn Hogarth was an amazeing man, and an even more amazeing teacher, one of the best
I ever had. He put a lifetime of his learning into his books, so that the art of figure drawing
would stay alive in the arts in the future. No one can expect to learn all that he has to teach in a day. I still find myself going back to his books to find the answers, after thirty plus years of figure drawing…So my advice, …just do your best, and take it a day at a time…:wise:

The books on digital painting you mentioned,…I don’t know that answer,…I never read
any boks on digital painting…I figured it would take all the fun out of the EXPLORATION…
and would limit my view of a new medium, but that’s just me in this case. Everyone has
there own method of learning, and should stick with whatever works for them…:slight_smile:

Now …about the colored spot lights…go to effects, select, and EXPLORE…EXPLORE…
EXPLORE… They’re in there, along with alot of other GREAT Stuff…Try all of the Magic
out on your new figures, it’s a lot of… FUN…, And a great way to LEARN…
I look forward to seeing your results…SERIOUSLY…:bounce:
Take Care
Glenn


#206

Kami Z,

Whoa, really nice! I’ve seen only your second drawing, though (the first link is blocked for non-members of the host site).


#207

Thanks you, DanielNasc.
hmm, the first link is from the same site as the second one. I just clicked it and it works for me. I don’t know what to do. v_v


#208

@Kami Z - Hey, really nice work! I like your style. Keep going!!!

My new tablet arrived just now:scream: Unfortunately I have to wait until X-Mas and it makes me suffer to look a the parcel. 5 days to go…:arteest:


#209

Kami Z,

Welcome aboard! :slight_smile: Thank you for the compliment, it’s very nice of you. :slight_smile:

I think your line drawing of the legs looks great! :thumbsup: I can’t see the first image you posted due to a message ‘mature content filter’ ~ will try to tweak my settings a bit later, perhaps it’s something on my end. :slight_smile:

Looking forward to seeing more work from you! :slight_smile:

lil_fairy,

Great to see you participating in the Sketchathon! :slight_smile: I think it’s a great way to get a lot of practice. Your 3rd Sketch in particular shows a lot of promise ~ keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak


#210

Thank you rebeccak for your kind encouragement.

Thank you spirit dreamer, I will go and explore painter and will post my altered old man when I am done, and hope that I won’t disappoint you.

I was just browsing the first half of the thread today, and my oh my everybody’s work is SO impressive! :bowdown: I obviously have a lot of work to do to catch up. I really feel very embarrassed about my sketches now. I promise I will try harder to do better. I also read about measurement during the first half of the thread, I realize that I never ever bothered to measure anything.

Oh oh ! I also will like to subscribe to a digital art magazine, hopefully one with tutorials/projects to do every issue. Does anyone have any recommendations? I live in the UK for your info, so it will have to be available here.

I would love to comment and advise on the pieces posted but I know too little to comment. So sorry about that, I can only say that ALL of them look very nice to me. :applause:


#211

Hi
Lil Fairy
Go to effects…select …menue comes up…select…surface control…select…apply lighting
These are the colored spot lights I use. THEY ARE KIND OF TRICKY…but have a beautiful effect
on drawings or paintings …Play with them a while on your drawings, and if you have any
questions about them, let me know.
Also on same menu, is…apply surface texture…select color, and it will tint your whole canvas
that color…If you need any help figureing out ether of these, just let me know, and I will
be more than happy to help you, if I can.
Take Care
Glenn


#212

Hi Spirit Dreamer !

I tried to use the spotlight thing but hmm… couldn’t get it work right. Also I failed to use the liquid lens as well. The face will easily end up very distorted. So I thought what the heck just repaint the eyes and forehead, and I did. I am much happier with it now, the forehead was way way too low (thanks to rebeccak for showing that to me!). I tried to follow your steps to add age spots, but the tinting brush did not seem to give the same effect as yours. Did you use a very large brush size? Is it supposed to pick up the underlying color and tint it? As it does not seem to do that at all, and how do you get the spotty texture? Do you dab dab dab or did you somehow make the brush to have the required texture and just drag it across?

Here is the my altered version. I think it is much better than the old one (hard to get any worse I know…). Any advice you can give me to improve it?

Oh and do you usually do both eyes at the same time or one then the other? I found that when I proceed to do the other eye after the first one, I will forget all the different colours I used and those that were wrong colours also contribute to the look. So in the end I get two different looking eyes. I use the dropper to pick out colours from the first eye but the colour does not seem to have the same effect as when I layer colours on colours. Any advice on this matter? Also I find myself using the airbrush alot, only using rob’s blender brush at the end to give the texture look. Is there any other brushes you’d recommend for blending? Gouache brushes seem a bit too opaque ? Or should I tweak it to use pressure to adjust the opacity and go from there? What is your favorite brush? I just wish to take full advantage of painter. Photoshop also has the airbrush so it isn’t that unique, and it also does not give the painted look…


#213

lil_fairy,

WOW!!! This is hugely impressive progress, it’s fantastic to see! :thumbsup: Great work, and I think with Spirit Dreamer’s help, you will shortly master the mysteries of Painter. :slight_smile:

Fantastic job, can’t wait to see more! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak


#214

lil_fairy

Great to see you are progressing so much and completing that portrait.

Or should I tweak it to use pressure to adjust the opacity and go from there?

that is my favourite method at the time being. Setting opacity to pressure sensitivity and then only lightly cover one colour with another, then picking up the newly mixed colour in between and again lightly shape the edge.

Also, as you are working with colour you can add a slight saturation boost (or layer a different vibrant color) at the area of transition if this edge is the border between light and shadow.

But, you should stick to whatever information Glenn can give, simply because, well see here

:smiley:


#215

Good Morning
Lil Fairy…
Age spots, made by useing big broad brush, with light spotty texture when applied,
very light brown color. I just kind of dabbed, and dragged it here and there, heavier
in shadow areas, lighter touch on lighter areas. Reduced size of brush for smaller surfaces
like nose ect… covered entire face, and head with this very light texture…more in some
places, less in others.
On the eyes, I bounce back and forth, searching for colors, picking them off the color
wheel, to try to match the colors in the eyes that I see…lots of colors in those eyes.
Use medium size brush at first, and end up with smaller brush, the further along you go,
until at the end, you have a fine detail brush, that you use to pop the highlights in with.
NEVER pure white, there is also a lot of color in highlights…look very closely, and you
will… SEE…!!!. Soft in some places, crisp in other places…Just put one color on top
of another…tint on top of tint, gives eyes, and entire painting actually, depth and
luster… Also one eye will usually be lighter than the other, due to lighting source in
reality.
I rarely use blenders,…they tend to flatten things out, and destroy the painterly look
im am after. THAT GOES FOR AIR BRUSH TOO !
I prefer to see brush strokes on top of brush strokes, with underlying colors showing
thru. This gives more depth, vitality, and expressiveness to painting.
In the end, you should be able to see the artist hand at work in the painting, or else
you might as well just take a photo, and save yourself the work and pleasure of painting.

There is a brush in the tinting section, at botom of the list of brushs, called SOFTENER…
It’s one of my favorites…softens things, without blurring too much, and destroying the
color relationships I have built up in the painting.

I see you fixed his shoulder level, where it meets the neck…GREAT…That’s a key element
in painting older people,…Their head is always below their shoulders, gets more extreme,
the older the person is.
You’ve done a really nice improvement to him so far…GREAT ACTUALLY…
You might want to reduce or narrow his jaw muscles a little, and put darker shadows there.
also broaden diamiter of his skull, a little. Study an egg, and you will see how it is broader
at one end. A face and skull are very simaler. Also study how the light and shadows appear
on the eggs surface. Put it under a lamp light ect., to get a sense of how the light and
shadow gives it, that volume that your eyes,…SEE…!
Lower top of ears a little, …More shadows in and around eyes,…under chin on neck,and
outter edge of most of skull and face,… and under nose ect.
Also pay close attension to the forms created by the muscles, on his brow and between
his eyes. These muscles are key to his exspression, and it is very important to get them
RIGHT…

In the end, observation of detail is very important…but it’s not the putting down of
every detail that creates a great painting,…It is more to do with the feeling you as
an artist put into the details, that you do put down. To capture the essance of what
you are creating…be it in… Paint…Clay…Marble…or whatever medium you decide on.
This is the true objective of ART, and the ARTIST…

Well thats about it for now. Let me see this portrait, when, and if you decide to take it
further…GREAT JOB SO FAR…BIG IMPROVEMENTS…
I just wish I could be there, leaning over your shoulder, to guide you in the right direction,
as you learn to PAINT…Would be a lot easier for me, than doing all this typeing…LOL !

Have a GREAT DAY…and …HAPPY PAINTING…:slight_smile:
Keep it fun if you can… after all, it is only paint, or in this case, the illusion of paint…LOL
Take Care
Glenn


#216

Hello !

Thank you everyone for your help and advice.

LoL Spirit Dream I too very much wish that you could be next to me teaching me. How much more I will learn. But man has not yet invented a teleportation device…

Yesterday I found out about opposing curves from reading rebeccak’s lessons, and today I found out about watercolors in painter. I am going to try both of these out now, and see how it goes! :thumbsup:

Another quick question about painting in painter, do you determine all the colours you use before you start painting? If so do you just draw on a blank canvas or do you create a new color set ? Thank you very much for sharing your precious knowledge with me.


#217

Hi…Lil Fairy…:slight_smile:

I took a lot of color theory classes years ago, now I STUDY paintings to see how other
artist use, and used color.
I don’t draw when… I PAINT,… I PAINT,… when I PAINT…
I block in the colors I SEE, when working from a photo,…and block in the colors I WANT
when i’m not working from a phto.
In eather case, I use a broad or big brush, at the start, NO LINE involved in this METHOD…
I only use fine detail brush at end of painting, for hightlights in eyes ect.
I just eyeball the colors as I go along, and then select them from the color wheel.
Hope this helps, and answers your question…LOOK at, and SEE… my method for painting,
in my ANATOMY THREAD, and in my WEB SITE…A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS…:slight_smile:

TAKE CARE…HAVE FUN…and … KEEP POSTING…:thumbsup:
Glenn


#218

Haven’t posted in a while. because I was doing more practice the traditional way.
Here’s something I did today (2+ hours):

I know the proportions are way off, I just don’t feel like messing with it. It’s kind of funny, because it turned out smaller than the reference I used.
Now I’ll start with the side view.


#219

I know you mentioned proportions and I think you observe well enough to judge your chances for improvement (better than I could, probably).

But I would like to say how much I love the atmosphere you conveyed with your study. The losse strokes on the upper edge and the careful shading at the same time - I really like it!

:applause:


#220

lunat1k,

Verrrrrrrrry cool, and very impressive! :thumbsup: I think you will really get good if you stick with your practice. :slight_smile: Definitely looking forward to seeing your side view rendition! :wip:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak