Bad Art?

#21

Took them long enough, I guess people are finally getting started on those demoreels.

#22

god i hope that doing evil art doesnt make you evil, otherwise i expect H.R Giger to be sitting the throne in hell when i get down there.

#23

^:applause:

I just love Giger’s art!!! <3

I had a phase…from 13-14 years old in which I only drew zombies, and demons and things like that all the time. I’d say studying my dad’s medical disease and anatomy books…which I used for reference, helped me get a greater grasp in anatomy… I did want those guts and hanging organs, broken bones and bodily fluids to look as real and disgusting as possible :wink: I don’t consider myself a bad person, or none of the related…

So I can say I answer with a NO to each one of your questions.

No, it really doesn’t affect the artists mind.
No, s/he won’t have more evil…
No, s/he doesn’t need evil to create evil.
No, it can’t affect children…unless the parent is doesn’t doing his part…and lets the kid believe that these monsters are real…leading perhaps to bad sleeping and unnecessary fear.

Bad art? Nah uh!..NOPE, absolutely no… the good in art is interpreted within the lines of compositon, technique and concept. When I say concept it is as in how well it has been presented. A good interpretation of an “evil” concept makes good art.

You could say that in order to see the greater good, you have to know the greater evil and vice versa. One thing cannot be possible without the other. In platonic philosophy, evil is the lack of the idea of good in the pointed subject/object.

Then again I don’t think the World in black & white terms…I dwelve more into the grays…even Dracula has its cute side. Then again someone’s sweetnes is another’s bitterness…

I mean, look at this, aren’t they terribly cute? especially the one at the left… lol

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#24

Just to hop on in, I must say that I feel that yes, things as such will affect you. Most everything will affect us in some way, and especially kids, being much more impressionable than say, a 90 year old guy sitting in his rocking chair. But to some degree, everything will affect us, the amount that we are around the subject, and our subsequent reaction determines how. Even being desensitized is an effect, and some times people dont even noticed how desensitized to some things they really are. So often times “not being affected” by something furthers its effect on the individual.

That being said, I am not affected by monsters or vampires in any way :thumbsup:

#25

as humans we are imperfect,a nd I mean really so logically it is our inclination towards the more interesting, old rugged thing than the machine made shinny astetic object - look at the following two pictures, which one are you more moved by -
Old Ted or New Ted I may be going of on a bit of a tangent but when it comes to evil looking creatures, its probably the artist drawing his evil side. Or not even evil, just the more human nature side :slight_smile:

#26

If all art were “good” and “beautiful”, it would be very boring and I wouldn’t have much of an interest in it any longer.

Art isn’t about only showing the pretty side of life, it’s not only about showing the good and optimistic things in life. It’s about showing the whole gambut of the spectrum of things that make up life. Good, bad, horrible, ugly, obscene, etc. I also say that if you want all art to cater to the likes and feelings of little kids, I’d have no interest in it any further as well. Shielding them from the elements of both good and bad doesn’t help them and it doesn’t educate them. Any parent can cover their eyes and ears and think that they’ve done a good job of parenting, but I really think a good parent is able to show them both sides of the coin and teach them how to adapt and live in such an environment.

#27

  • come on oz haver, how in the world we can convince a kid that these monsters are not real, and the artists are going crazy and they just make everything looks plausible, sometimes its difficult to convince an adult that this is not real,

  • I know what you mean: if there is not enough “evi” lin the creature it won’t be successful job, which means not artistic enough,
    but could you tell me where the “good” part here?

#28

why not, I don’t think It’s boring to live without Monsters and “Vampires” movies there are still alot of types of movies there is also “action”, “fighting”,“science-fiction”, “comedy”, “Tragedy” “horror (not necessarily ugliness and evil)” .

you’re right the parents should show good and bad to the children, to know this life and deal with the good as good and be carefull from bad, that’s true,
but I don’t see any point of showing them “Vampires”, we don’t have them in our life :surprised!! , and I don’t think they will learn anything from watching those, except “try” protecting them from the effect of other crazy new “ugly” movies that are coming from time to time by “ugly” industry.

#29

That’s some nice “bad art” there ~ I wish I were that bad at drawing!

I do think people are affected by the art they create, though ~ or at least they should be, if they are artists.

LT

#30

I like ur words.:thumbsup:

#31

its not only ugly creatures, there is worse:

those scenes which show that a monster coming out from a person, as that person face or body starts to melt and distort in extreme ugliness,

or a man is converted into monster (the conversion itself) its just so ugly and digusting, I think its a disease.

I know it needs powerful computer technologies to make it look like real, but this is my point why we are miss using the teqhnology and “art”?? why??

just somebody tells me it’s about money, and what about the word “art” that we all like.

#32

I think you have a problem with accepting the fact that some people enjoy what you disgust. Accept the reality and leave in peace with it. Don’t worry about the others.

Nobody is forcing you to go through or even understand their experiences. Some people may spit and vomit the food you enjoy and there’s no problem - it is simply a matter of different taste, be happy that you have found and there is something that you enjoy.

:slight_smile: By the way mark October 31 on your calendar. In some countries it is Halloween. If you happen to be in such a place, I advise you to stay indoor. For me though, it is simply kids having fun but for the unprepared eye, it may be a REAL horror :slight_smile:

#33

if you review my posts u’ll see that I’m watching these movies from time to time (maybe for the sake of seeing the graphics and the computer tricks), and I’m already living with it,

but maybe u’r right, yes I’m trying to understand their experinces, and I’m trying to know how people enjoy extreme ugliness (and mostly artists) even though it opposes the origin of the humanity which doesn’t have that much of evil and ugliness, maybe because our world is getting spoiled and worse increasingly day by day,(more killing, more hatred, more violance, less morals…etc),

so we need “art” which fulfill this weather.

for the Halloween stuff, I’m able to watch the extreme horror, but we don’t have this over here so don’t worry I’m safe :curious: :drool:

#34

not necessarily so… horror stories go back a long long time, there always have been people being mistreated, etc. only now with advanced communication and mass media stuff that you see alot of reports of such things that make you realize they are happening

dark artwork is certainly not the cause of the corruption of moral values. at most, artists who work on “evil” art are merely expressing their perspective of what is happening around them.

as for enjoying the creation of monsters in art, that is an entirely different thing altogether, with nothing related to “evil” or “good”. i enjoy drawing monsters because there is no limit on what creature i can create. almost all fantasy monsters have anatomy that is a mix of animal/human anatomy, and i see this as very extraordinary and thus beautiful.

however, when it comes to application in movies, unless screen writers write about heroic demons (you should watch the movie “Hellboy” to see what i mean), the artist cannot sell these “ugly” monsters as good guys. it is because of the general expectation or cliche that “ugly” monsters must be bad guys in movies… and that is why you see movie monsters are usually all mean and nasty :smiley:

#35

you know Ahmattu - people need monsters.

Like every aspect of a dream actually is a facet of your psychological disposition a monster characterized in a story or depicted in a painting serves a purpose, socially and individually.

My little daughter is sometimes afraid of monsters in her wall cupboard. Frequently we have to go and chase it away. One time she even yelled “Go away! I don’t need you anymore!” at the cupboard monster.
I was totally taken aback by the fact that she said it all so clearly…

So, which purpose exactly the monsters we created serve is still a mystery. People can talk about this forever, but at the end of the day you will have to use some introspection and check these things out for yourself.

Actually, the fact that this concerns you so deeply might indicate that their are some powerful monsters within you you could create and put to good use yourself. Stop being scared of them and let’s see some of yours…:twisted:

regards,
Murat

#36

more killing, more hatred, more violance, less morals…etc

In fact, you’re completely wrong on that point. The opposite is true. The further back in time you go, the more you see of crime, prejudice, wars, dictators torturing and killing, disease, fear and hate, cannibalism, slavery, child-labor, you name it.

#37

Mmmmm…cannibalism.

I wonder if society was more or less ‘natural’ back then and it’s unnatural now or vice versa.

#38

i just happened on this thread, but isn’t this judging?
and “miss using technology”? what??? we like realistic because we can. if creatures and monsters didnt look real, what is the point of them? why is any movie set in modern time? or comedies use real life situations? or anything sci-fi in general? to be realistic, believable, because the point is to be lost in an imaginary world we can believe. and if it really is a miss use of art and technology, why do you support them by watching them?

isn’t there a villian in every plot? isn’t that what makes it interesting? the bad guy. evil incarnate? a reason for the story?
and is the sheer violence in a “fighting” movie any better than a nightmare from a horror film to a child? can you justify the moral evils in the comedies (pranks on people, predjudice jokes), action (guns, violence, random overpowering use of death and explosions for cheap thrills) etc. ? while i think there is a miss use of the words ugly and evil from my definitions of the two, since i dont think any written or told story involves no evil…ever…
just my two cents.

#39

you guys really enlightened me with these thoughts,

I see ur point clearly here you enjoy the “art of the anatomy” which is fine, thats nice, I’m with u here.

and here also I’m totally with you and especially if you add ten lines under “SELL”

u got wrong Mr. Mu, I’m not scared at all, its just digusting without any reason… and ah… ya let me try drawing some (just drawing maybe… not acting who knows)

maybe u’r right, or I belive its like a wavy curve going through history, and we are now somewhere on a high point

take it easy, there some fellows here in the thread don’t even consider this as an “art” at all, but I do consider this as an “art” for sure.
I think I didn’t say it’s about real or not real, I’m talking about “evil” and “ugliness”,
(picking an eye of someone, taking his heart out with all kinds of bloody details, a face is getting melt, a monster enjoying eating someone’s heart with all kinds of bloody details, blood everywhere, slimy spit, obnoxious faces)
is this a preffered way to go out of reality?? and if we don’t go there with our minds then are we locked to the reality???!!, I don’t think so!
there are much more places to set ur imagination free.
BTW, I watch them beacuse I do graphics, so I watch the visual techniques, and still hate the idea, and I don’t think this is supporting.

#40

Whenever I see someone talking about morals in life and evil in Art…I start to think to Medioeve and Inquisition. Witches and Giordano Bruno burning in Campo dei Fiori in Rome.

You are a smart guy, but watch yourself.