Anatomy Thread of razz - 2D/3D


#441

Fl3wk, well, answered that already :slight_smile:

Aggie, pleasure to inspire someone. Seen stuff at your thread, progressing well yourself there :thumbsup:

Wasker, it can’t be that good :smiley: You should see my imaginational work, then you could start criting. I’ll post it one day.

Johan, no “maybe” in this. Give it a go! Shame you don’t use it! haha :smiley:

Here’s the study I said I’ll do, and done it. Not very happy about it. Got too much into painting and didn’t think of anything else, like proportions of the face and so on. So kinda wry look on the piece. Will try to pay full attention to everything on my next one! After Bob Kato


#442

Hey Razz,

First time visiting your gallery. I went through quite a few pages from last to somewhere in the middle. I find your work and dedication very inspiring! I enjoy your studies and the wide variety of mediums you work in. Keep up the great work!

Adam


#443

WOw! I’ve gone through and looked at each of your works, and the rate at which you progress give me hope lol. That one day I too can be awesome

Good stuff man keep it up!


#444

Hi Razz :slight_smile:

Popped into see what you are up to :slight_smile: good work and lovely studies, I like the Frazetta ones :thumbsup:
Don’t be scared of posting (or tackling) imaginative studies, you might very likely surprise yourself at how much you’ve absorbed from your other studies - in terms of the feel of a body in various poses… An inbetween way that can work is to look at a reference image for say 1-5 minutes - really take it all in :smiley: then put the reference image away and draw it as you remember.

Also… sorry for being a bit absent for a while - if you’d like any ideas on acrylic or other painting :slight_smile: I’m more than happy to post here or in my thread :slight_smile:

take care and keep steaming along!
a. :slight_smile:


#445

HEY…RAZZ…:thumbsup:

Nice technique and job on that Vilppu study…:thumbsup:
I was thinking today of the different ways to creat an image in the mind,one that can then be transferred visually, from the minds eye, to the canvas.
I think that poetry is the best medium to stimulate the minds eye, unleash the imagination, which in turn creates a vision that can then be transferred to the canvas.
Poetry IS A WAY OF SAYING, AND SEEING MORE THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN.

Zephyri, myself, and many other people use and have used this method in the past,…it really works…:slight_smile:
So thinking of a way to get YOU to tell a story visually, in your own words so to speak, I created a little poem this morning.
This is an exercise that was given to me years ago at the New England School of Art and Design, by the head of the school, in a class he was giving, called CREATIVE THINKING.
Anyway, here is the poem…

I took a time out
Now it’s plain to see
Better to kill time
Than to let time kill me

The lesson…turn it into a visual form

Just prodding that imagination in you that is dying trying to escape the cage that it is being kept in…:scream:

TAKE CARE
Glenn


#446

Knilblink, thank you for the kind words. Inspiration is what I always look for, because it feels good to be inspired. And to inspire someone, that is not bad too :smiley: And, well, I like using that wide variety. Different looks can be achieved with different tool, so I like to experiment.

Krylo, you think that’s fast? I guess it’s right then, if one has something, he will always want something better. And why would you not have hope? It takes a lot of time and practise and one should not loose motivation. Ever! :scream:

Frejasphere, I gotta try that, drawing from memory, a memorised image. That’s something between master studies and imaginational drawing. Should be lots of fun. And about those ideas about paints, you’re just at the right moment here. I’m hungry for all the information I can get about gouache and oil paints :bounce: You see the study on this page, turned out best from the three I’ve done. Other two were’nt even shown, they look worse than hell. I guess doing more and more of these will get me to know gouache, m? No fast way here :slight_smile:

SpiritDreamer, how I’m glad to see you :smiley: Here with great advises again. You are right about what you say. That’s why it is harder (at least for me) when I have to draw something freely (no topic given), and when there is a topic, it gets easier, because there’s already a frame for the piece. I’m sure when it gets out of the cage, it’s you who I will thank to. And I’ll soon show some imaginational pieces, not many, but something, to show that I’m trying :slight_smile: Though I should be trying more…

Pencil fun. Study from an artist whose name I forgot (my mistake). As I remember I saved this pic to my hard drive from a link Rebecca left in one of the threads here. Now that’s tricky.
So, ehm, a study from someone whose name should be mentioned here if I haven’t forgotten it.


#447

Razz, your motivation and application is great to see, and the hints re. oils, etc are a bonus here! Take Annette up on her offer of further info… :slight_smile:
Is your Bob Kato study painted traditionally? (Sorry, I’m not sure!)


#448

YMS, yes it’s traditional. I thought it’s obvious :shrug: Yay, I hope Annette to help me with my traditional paintings :bounce: Thanks for dropping by. What will you do next? After the OFDW…

Hokay, I filled two pages of imaginational figures, but chosen only these to show. You know, they suck. The dragon one was inspired by the new gnomon dvd by J.P.Targete (gotta see those :scream:). Other are just sketches I’ve done a few weeks ago. And one of those figures seem to have a pretty similar pose to one of Frazetta’s pieces. But no refs were used for any of these were used, though they might look like their inspirations.


Oooh, when will practise make perfect?!


#449

Hi razz, the last 3 sketches you have posted are very well done! Especially the potrait looks great!

Oh and Frazetta’s poses are great drawn by you :wink: Keep at it, great sketchbook! :smiley:


#450

:slight_smile: HEY…RAZZ…:applause: :thumbsup:

I don’t think that those last two suck at all…look pretty good to me…:slight_smile:
It’s the original thought behind them that counts, more than the final result of the sketch…you can always refine the sketch further, by using bits and pieces from life, refferences, ect. in areas where your not sure about…that’s how the masters did it…:slight_smile:
Getting the thought down first, is just the first step, but for sure the most important.
I am starting to do a series of thumnail sketches, totally from my imagination… in color, no line, just straight painting with an oil brush,… no special effects…They only take a few minutes to do, because the thought is already in my head, before I start.
This is a method of doing thumnails that I learned years ago from a great painting teacher that I had.
HE ALWAYS STRESSED THAT COMPOSITION COUNTES MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN A PAINTING.
He always said that even if you creat the perfect form, it is nothing, and will suck, if it is not composed properly on the canvas.
So in these thumnails that I am starting to do, I am mostly going for composition first, the forms in the composition are secondary, and can always be refined later, using refferences if needed.
These are exercises in just getting the thought down, before it is lost.
THOUGHTS ARE LIKE SMOKE,…HERE ONE MINUTE, GONE THE NEXT.
Thats why my paintings start out looking like smoke, until they, and the thought behind them become clear.
Check these little paintings that I’m doing out from time to time, they , and that process might help you out, in forming your own method of working from your imagination…
IT’S JUST A THOUGHT…AFTER ALL…:slight_smile:
TAKE CARE
Glenn


#451

Just popping in to compliment you on your progress and to express my appreciation for your contributions. :slight_smile: Lovely work on this last portrait / master copy and heh, I don’t recall the artist either :smiley: - the Bridgeman studies are fantastic and your progress first rate - great stuff all around. :slight_smile:


#452

Hi Raz. It’s really “refreshing” to look at your works. You are a young man and you already are SO skilled. I subscribe your thread right now. I want to see all your progresses and I’m sure you’ll touch the sky with your work.

Bravo :thumbsup:


#453

Hey there Razz :slight_smile:

a few ideas on painting… :slight_smile:
As a fair bit of my recent work has been in Acrylics, I thought I’d start there… basically traditional painting can be approached in as many ways as there are artists… yet a few hints and know-hows about how each medium works can help you achieve the results you want.

As Goache is almost like a step inbetween watercolour and acrylics… you can apply some of the ideas to goache as well - it dries as fast… if not faster than acrylics, difference being that it dries matter than the acrylic paint. Both are intermixable and versatile paints that can be used in many different ways (by intermixable I don’t mean actually mixing green from goache yellow and blue acrylic, although I’m sure that it’s been done by someone out there… :wink: )

Acrylics can be used to apply washes / glazing; layering thin washes of colour on top of each other to allow for a transparency effect between the layers. This can be similar to watercolour painting, esp for artists that choose to work on paper. Main difference is that the colours become non-soluble once dried, so you won’t smudge or disturb the bottom layers by going over them. You can also paint in an oil-painterly style, using mediums (premixed liquids or gels designed to give you certain effects with the paints) that slow the drying process (as acrylics tend to dry quite fast…) and applying the paint thicker with brush or knife, moving the paint around on the canvas. You can also paint straight from the tube, although the thickening mediums make the paint last longer.

Depending on your composition (aim for simple effective compositions to start with, this will give you more freedom to experiment) it’s a good idea to with a brush roughly sketch the shapes you are going to paint, allowing you to block in the composition of the entire painting at an early stage… Leaving the background to the very end can be a nightmare if you say painted a detailed tree or someone with dreadlocks… :smiley: Many artists refuse to start with a white canvas… grounding the canvas in a neutral colour that will help pick up say skin tone or part of the foreground will give you a nice starting point for washes. There is nothing wrong in starting with a white canvas though, good to try both :slight_smile: Glenn’s suggestion of doing thumbnails is a good and well practiced method, both for composition and for freeing up brush technique… the smaller paintings will allow you to experiment and push things further, letting you try several approaches with the “same” painting without feeling too precious about the result!

Keeping the palette to a minimum is good for starters… some advise to only paint greyscale to begin with… this gives you a good feel for values, yet I totally understand the need to apply colour. Learning the cold / warm colour scheme is also good, this gives you more control when mixing colours. This link has some good advice on how colours work: http://painting.about.com/od/colourtheory/a/Top_color_mix.htm

With acrylics I find that using a mist spraybottle both on the palette and on the canvas, gives me quite a bit of extra working time. I use a standard acrylic painting medium - mix with the colours to get the right consistency: to slow the drying time further I use a drying retarder… VERY small amounts, anything over 5% in the paint can make it soluble. I don’t tend to use drying retarder that often, yet it can come in handy. Apart from that there are modelling compounds, gel mediums and pastes that you can apply to the canvas (or painting surface of choice) and then paint over - or mix with paint and apply… these mediums give you that thick layered effect. You can also add sand and other materials to your medium for a gritty or 3D texture. There are spreader mediums to help spread large washes evenly acoss the canvas, really when you start looking there are mediums on the market for every kind of brushstroke… Matt medium, glossy, marbing, antiquing… etc. You don’t need them all: I find that water and standard acrylic medium (50-50) works very well :slight_smile:

In acrylics you can work with either a hard-edge style or blend the colours into each other. When blending it’s easiest to do this while the paint is still wet. for a more “painterly” style; rough brushmarks will give that blended and free look, for more subtle blending a fan brush comes in handy, as you can blend colours without leaving visible brushmarks.

Working dark to light is generally the way I paint… also using the colours in the darkest areas to create the midtone shadows (rather than using black if that makes sense…) Like in this one: click here I have used the green in background in the shadows on her face - and the choice of background colour was helped by her green eyes…

Hope there are some things in here that make some sense… if you have questions do fire away :slight_smile: main thing with painting is that you enjoy it! experiment with colour and value and composition, see how your colours look when placed next to each other, play around with thinkness and texture. I am sure you will fly!

take care and cheers
a. :slight_smile:


#454

Hey razz this is awesome! http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5558/imaginationalshit23ju.jpg I have always and will always love Frazetta’s work. All of it. His work is what got me hooked on drawing imagined worlds and characters when I was a kid. I wanted to draw humans and humanoids just like he did. Still is an incredible source of inspiration. You have some excellent studies of his drawings posted here. I for one will never get tired of seeing Frazetta inpsired work.
I celebrate your completion of Bridgeman. When you return to life class you’ll see a big jump in how you see the model. It’s quite a charge.
Excellent Vilppu study as well.
Keep doing what you’re doing.


#455

I’ve dipped in and out of this thread, and for some reason never left a comment. Your deidcation to what you do is just marvellous, you’ve really inspired me to go out and buy a sketch book just for doing anatomical studies in. I doubt I’ll have the same dedication to the studies as you, that’s just so impressive, and your studies in both the OFDW and of Frazetta’s paintings are great. Nothing to crit here in terms of the studies.

How are you finding the oil paints? They’re such a great medium, I wish I had more time to work in them. The last painted portrait of the man looks a little skewed to the right, and thats about the only thing I could pull you on, and I’m trying here!

Wonderful thread, you really should be proud of everything you’ve achieved.


#456

Hi Razz, I’ve enjoyed looking through your sketches and seeing your progress. I like your study of the Morgan Weistling very much , lovely work. Thanks for stopping by my thread, your advice was very helpful.:slight_smile:


#457

hey razz!

i just love watching your thread. nice frazetta studies and that last portrait, was just awesome.
looking forward to see more imaginational drawings.
btw. i was really trying to find something to crit. but just coulden’t… grrr:D

ps. have you read frazetta’s “the 2nd moon” (haven’t read the first one of those two myself). well, think it’s worth cheching out, atleast for his wonderful characters and colors.

-r


#458

Wow, guys, can’t think of how to thank everyone of you! :scream:

Trunks, the portrait was just a bit longer hatching study. I was pretty happy with it, because the piece I was studying was very little, and I couldn’t see the hatching much, only that it goes to ~one direction, doesn’t changing more than 45 degrees. I may do more of these longer studies. But I’d love to draw something like that from life. Only who would sit for me for let’s say an hour…I tell you, nobody :shrug:

SpiritDreamer, your teacher’s words have trough. Just at my last composition class at the art school my teacher was saying that now artists look for feelings in their pieces and in those old master’s times it was more about composition. But you know, composition might now be so important if the form sucks. I think that one can’t live without the other. About using references to finish up a piece, well, you are right about that. But isn’t it fun to just do a piece without any refs? :slight_smile: I know, I know, it’s probably to soon for me to do that.

Rebecca, thank you. What are the thoughts about the next OFDW? Or the new workshop I saw was coming, m? Oh, do you remember we were going to talk about art academies and stuff like that. But never did. It’s still important to me :scream: And your thoughts would be awesome to hear.

Cyborg, hope so too :smiley: Aahh, in a bit more than three months I’ll become 17! I don’t want to! Still so much I want to learn until I’m more close to grown-up :scream:

Frejasphere, I gotta write down some of the tips. Thanks for time taken to write all that. And it was good to hear some of the stuff I already know. It proves that I know something, haha :smiley: Oh, you know, I won’t touch acrylics again if I can! Oils, gouache and watercolors are much more fun for me. I do have one more question. What’s the best surface to paint gouache on? I know there’s such thing as an illustration board, but I doubt that I could find to buy such thing in my area. So, should the surface absorb paint more or should it now? I’ve done some Bob Kato studies on a surface that absorbs paint fast and it get dry in a matter of seconds and I was thinking that it’s not very nice. Bless gouache that I can still mess with it when it has dried :slight_smile: Painting on this “default” paper was no success, as the paint was acting weird. Waiting for your suggestions. Again, thank you for everything.


#459

continued…

AztcFireFlower, hehe, I was drawing little gestures of people fighting with knives, scythes and swords. All inspired by Frazetta. Maybe I’ll refine then a bit and post them here if it’ll be worth it.
And, AztcFireFlower, I have never went to a life drawing class. All stuff I draw at the art school is from casts. Though I’d love to attend a life drawing class, would help my skills grow much faster I think.

Zephyri, well I’m doing those anatomy studies because I don’t know much about anatomy. So learning bones and muscles is a primary thing to me. Yesterday I started to go really in depth with it, all the attachents and stuff. Have to learn, then I’ll apply it to drawing.
Oils, mmm…I love them. I think I’ll do a portrait study some day soon. And I think too of getting me a mirror, For self-portraits and posing. One thing how I could draw more from life! I will be proud the day when I make a painting on my own which I’ll like :slight_smile: Though I’m pretty happy with my progression in these months I’ve spent here. If you haven’t already, you should see my post in the before and after thread. Before I started learning art seriously and what I’ve achieved. Was pretty fun for myself to see. I though that ‘before’ study was great at that time :smiley:

Samanthie, no problem. Would be a sin not to help others when others are helping me so much. This forum is a invaluable and people here are a miracle!

Abyss, yay! I’m doing more imaginational drawings these days. I’m happy about that, even if they don’t turn out well. They will in time, and it keeps me motivated to reach for that.
Haven’t heard of that book. I only found his unofficial gallery from where I took the pieces to study. Now it would be amazing if I could fidn that book somewhere in my town. But it’s now new I suppose? That makes it harder.
If you can’t find anything to crit, just tell me to draw and paint more :smiley: I never have enough of drawing and painting so I always feel that I don’t do that enough. Funny.

After Bob Kato. Hope this one’s better than the previous one. New brushed and a new palette used. Took Rebecca’s advice and bought a butcher’s tray palette. Good thingie :thumbsup: The shop from which I’ve ordered the palette didn’t have those brushes and vice versa at the other shop. Ordering from two different shops would be too much paying for the shipping. Ok, who cares, I have a new palette!

Isn’t it funny, it wrote that I included too many images in my post :scream: Guess I’m writing too much…


#460

Heya razz,

Great to hear you got your butcher’s palette! :slight_smile: And I haven’t commented I don’t think in a while but of course I’m always intrigued to see what you’re up to. :slight_smile: So much good stuff going on! I’m so pleased to have you regularly participating here. Lots of inspiration and an incredible amount of hard work, keep it up!

Haha, vbulletin counts smilies as images, so that’s why you’re getting that message - heh, too me a while to realize that, but it’s not the text. :wink: Nice to see your new painting, I will be really looking forward to your progress painting wise as well!