Anatomy Thread of .: Mr. Mu :.


#861

Hey Mu, nice to see some oils around.

well i hope i can help with the oil painting, as i have been painting for the last months and been improving and as im learning portrait painting right now i hope this will be usefull.

As i paint, i was taught to start with the darker colors and build from there to the lighter ones. Like you are doing it, but the difference i see, is that you are pretty much laying the dark color as a base color and having some difficulties to come with midtones and lights. Give it a try to block out areas with the dark (where is dark) midtone (where midtone) and lights (where is brighter) and after all is done come back to the lights and add the highlights.

One thing to remember is always to brush really soft so you won’t mix the paint on the brush with the paint already on the canvas, in that way you can lay a new layer of paint over wet paint.

You don’t need glazes (im not sure if glazes are what i think they are, since i’m thinking of velatura from the itallian) you’re not supposed to be doing them to bring lights up as far as i know. You should only use transparent or semi-transparent paints to do it, and over dark areas. This would give you a wash over the colors and bring them closer together. Titanium white is not a transparent color, but alizarin crimson is.

And the last thing, you could try painting with a reduced pallet for portrait painting. That would go ivory black, titanium white, cadmium red light and yellow ocher. You could add some burnt sienna also to help out. With that you could paint pretty much any Caucasian flesh tone.

Well hope any of this is going to be useful for you, it has certainly helped me a lot when i was told those things.

cheers keep it up :slight_smile:

Gabriel


#862

maozao!

Thanks a lot for this detailed write up! This will definitely help as I needed a bit more planning. All of your points make total sense to me!


#863

Glad that was of help to you :slight_smile:

feel free to ask for any more info and i’ll help out as best i can. Keep it up, painting so much fun. I have gotten into it only a while ago, and i regret not taking painting before.


#864

as the people said, great studies man.
Keep rocking!


#865

Can’t help you with oils yet Mu, but it seems you’re doing pretty good with the medium. :smiley:

Watch the eyes buddy… they need to be on the same ‘line’ :wink:
(It’s a mistake I often make as well, which is probably why I notice now :argh:


#866

so many good news since my last visit,
and - full time solo artist, good for you!
cant wait for more of your work (and - hopefully some watercolor too :slight_smile:
looking forward to)
a.


#867
  • longhi thanks a lot for the cheering! :slight_smile:

  • Johan, there’s quite a few things off with that portrait. I am also really understanding more and more about what maozao said about the light values. *sigh

  • alenah
    definitely watercolors! I got a sales supply coupon for birthday and got some W&N watercolors (many times as expensive as the ones I use now, lol).

About full time artist: just to clarify (in case it wasn’t painfully obvious from the stuff in this thread, hihi) - this is about my storytelling and music-making only.
Better to stick to things one is capable of…:smiley:

thanks everyone!

:wavey:


#868

Hi there,

not to lose sight of my goal (do comics) I had an idea.

But first, I realized that in order to be able to draw comics all of the aspects of representational painting are involved: figure, environment, shapes, composition, even abstracts.
So, I need to make an efficient schedule which explores all of the above. More on that later.

For now, I love first pages. Of comics, to be sure, but with books I also do the Test of the First Page, meaning, I read it and look where it takes me. Depending on that I buy books or put them back on the shelf.

That’s why I decided I’d do a few attempts at a “first page” of classical stories or books I love. Maybe later on, when the faves get a bit more obscure I will try and let you guess the story.

I’ll start off with a no-brainer, though.

This is a pencil thumbnail page of what I would want a Robinson Crusoe first page to look like:

I am not sure yet if I will fine pencil and ink all of these experiments.
As always, let me know what you think!

yours
Mu


#869

Hey Mu,

great to see you are setting up some structured precess to achieve your goal.

About these first pages: I think you should work out a bunch of first pages to a professional standard.
Why? Because every page you do will have to meet this quality standard (technically spoken) anyway, and your first page is -as you mention yourself- quite important.
Perhaps do a lot quickly sketches of first pages, and pick the best 5 or 6 or so to start with?
Just my 2cents :wink:


#870

Hi Johan,

as this pencilpage is rather elaborate (for my standards, at least…:smiley: ) - do you mean to work up to 5-6 pencil-1st-pages “per story classic” with a much rougher look to decide which one to flesh out further?

I don’t know how much of a visual appeal I can build up at all with a rougher look, because it takes so much knowledge and skill to sum a scene up with just a few strokes, you know…?
Which means, I hope the scenes can be “read” at all if I keep them any simpler…:eek:


#871

Yeah, it reads nice like this.
I think if the basic pencil sketch is of decent quality, it will make your life easier when inking.
Dan Dos Santos says this in his oil painting dvd that the quality of the underdrawing is extremely important. The better the underdrawing, the better the final product, and the faster you can achieve top quality. I only assume this also counts for inkings… (I’m far from an expert)

I recently saw a flyer of the comic museum in Brussels (where they have the largest comic library of the world, over 90.000 titles) and it says they show the complete process from sketch to comic. Haven’t been there yet, but I plan to. There’s loads of interesting things to learn there (eg, did you know there are over 800 professional comic artists in Belgium? And there’s only 10.5 Million Belgians?!)

What I’m trying to say, maybe there is something similar to find in Germany?


#872

Hmm, I don’t know. The Belgians are definitely pretty comic crazy. Same goes for germany. I was thinking the other day that I know of no other country and no other comic author who ever had 250.000 fans attend an event to re-enact a single episode of a comic which was pretty popular back then (the event was a race between a custom built bike and a vintage Porsche - the loser was to be covered in cat shit, IIRC…:smiley: ).

Anyway, I bought a few instructional books on comics by Will Eisner and Shawn Martinbrough (through which I hit on my nerve for heavily inked drawings at all) and they all do stress the importance of a properly pencilled page - the first step in the iteration being a rough thumbnail of what is to be transformed into a pencil page later on which serves as a template for the inks.

So, plan as follows:
:deal:

drawing practise:

  • characters isolated
  • environments
  • both of which combined
  • drawing from life
  • drawing from ref
  • drawing character thumbnails without ref

direct/immediate comic practise:

  • rough ink character design sketches
  • ink drawing from ref
  • ink drawing from life

Page design (including two shots, silhouettes and the other exercises from Shawn’s book):

  • thumbnails (very rough)
  • pencilled page
  • inking
  • lettering

Painting:

  • value studies from ref
  • oil/watercolor colour studies from life or ref

Ack.

More later on. For now I will copy this list to evernote.

thanks Johan!
*researches comic museum, germany


#873

Awesome!
Sounds like a solid planning… now the challenge: stick to it.

LOL we all grow as artists kicking eachother’s butt… visualizing this is quite funny to be honest :smiley:

Have fun!


#874

ROFL! That is one funny image in my head which I won’t get rid of…:scream:

Expect some solid re-scheduling by the time reality joins us in the butt-kicking…:smiley:


#875

One thing I need to mention, btw. When I say I want to do comics this has nothing to do with a business or industry goal. I just want to do them.
So, meeting industrial standards is naturally a long distance to go and I don’t mind.

I am busy trying to get a grip on the storytelling principles and the visual quality, e.g., and can’t thus develop anything near the speed of professional comic writers/artists.

But, of course, I should do my best.

Another first one for Crusoe… Not sure if it’s better from a storytelling point of view.

Drawings are rough, of course. Maybe still much too detailed - it took me much too long anyways.

Here goes… (horizontal line is from stitching two scans together):

Curious how many angles my storytelling for the First Page can take if I try another 2 to 3 first pages.


#876

Ooops!

How time flies when you’re enjoying yourself…^^

my going full-time artist kinda crashed my drawing plan. In case you don’t know: I am doing a solo programme (story-telling/musician) and working as an author.

Here’s a video of a recent gig.

I guess most of you don’t speak german, so I’ll not give you links to story-telling parts of my gigs.

Anyway.

Just these last days I found a bit of time to get back to drawing again. Whenever I feel too much out of “training” I rely mostly on pencil and paper. It never disappoints me - a bit like an old friend whose door is always open.

landscape thumbnail, photo ref, pencil + markers

landscape thumbnail, photo ref, pencil + markers

a dog, photo ref, pencil and markers

a self portrait from mirror which turned out very unlike me…:smiley: I went ahead and added a few blocks of black with marker because I still plan to go for ink drawings + watercolor washes some time soon (*knocks on wood)


#877

and a few portraits which took about 90-120 minutes each. Photo refs are from a book on germany during the 1920s.
Pencil and white pastel to heighten parts of the drawing (like I read about in Tony Ryder’s book…)

pencil and white pastel

pencil and white pastel+a little bit of charcoal to add deeper darks


#878

Hey there Mr.Mu, you’ve got quite a lot of nice pieces going on. You are making a good job on the comics, we know what’s happening however my only crit is that you should work on making the environments on your comics more detailed, but in a way we readers can comprehend what’s going on even more.

(although I believe you are already working on environments ;))

Looking forward to more :thumbsup:


#879

Sorry, massive drive-by-dump ahead. While I do draw now and then, I do not find as much time for browsing the forums as often as I used to. On the other hand, my artist career is feeling fine, so there’s correlations, you know…:smiley:

I did a few simple environments where I tried to get a grip on foreground middle ground and background:

As we own a hard disc video recorder I realized I can pause any movie and do a quick sketch! Some of them I inked afterwards:

To be continued…


#880

more movie still sketches… most of them about ten to twenty minutes: