Yo, tablets are NO GOOD


#1

Tablets are virtually useless to half the people who end up buying them, no kidding.

Finding a drawing that looks better done digitally than it would’ve looked done on paper is about as infrequent as meteor shower or something. Not that digital drawings are generally bad, just that they tend to look worse and regularly seem to lose some of their spark. This applies to most novice art and professional alike.

Although I’ve seen some very appealing works composed entirely on the computer, the vast majority of these were paintings. And not just paintings – very sophisticated paintings, done in hours, if not days.

Point is, people who are interested in tablets usually are not into coloring a masterpiece painting. The majority, the leading trend among today’s aspiring artists is simply into drawing nice appealing forms and shapes, without too much effort. In contrast this means studies, concept art, sketching and illustration. And those are the same people who are most hyped out about Wacom, the ones who quite bluntly, don’t need it. Or a little more bluntly, waste 400$ on a toy that temporarily fulfils their desire of groundbreaking technology, until they finally come to their senses and look beyond the coolness factor of this tool, they realize not only that this tool is much less proficient at delivering the results they’re looking for, but also this tool directly deducts their ability to draw something appealing, which would’ve otherwise looked ten times better if the tool was swapped with another tool, a thousand times cheaper, called a paper and a pen.

Drawing, whether a quick sketch or a finalized piece, is all about throwing random marks on a slick surface. Somehow during this process of jiggling your hands, you make it look good, even though most of those lines you just splattered make no sense. Such semi-automatic drawing is the core of each work of yours, more apparent in the initial drawing process but remains true throughout the entire thing. I’m not sure about the science of this phenomenon, but I do know it cannot be achieved properly using your 9 inch tablet. You simply cannot throw random lines in your favorite drawing software without making them look ridiculously… dead.

Subsequently, many artists would cease to believe the notion that there is no such thing as a bad line. Lines, being the fundamental building blocks that they are, exist to guide your imagination, from rough to tough, and when you cease to believe in their effectiveness of doing so, you simply cease to draw well. And this exactly what happens given time. Take a pencil and scribble something onto a blank paper, it wouldn’t look particularly good, but it would make sense. Conversely, do the same with a tablet and a new file in Photoshop. Now it kills you to even look.

Anyway, don’t get too excited about tablets, especially if you see yourself drawing with it. It wouldn’t blend. As to other pros and cons of tablets vs. pencils, I wouldn’t even go there. Let’s just say CTRL+Z is more a con than it is a pro. (for drawing.)

P.S. I’m not one of those traditional art gratifying conservative hooks, I never used a tablet, and the statistical analysis above is based on my opinion.


#2

Wow, for your first post, such a bold statement~

For one thing, I both agree and disagree. I do believe that some people who buy tablets do not use them properly…however, I do not believe that they shouldnt buy in the first place. Drawing with a tablet is a great improvement over using the mouse…for those people that choose to tackle the digital medium…there is no finer tool (besides being able to draw directly on the screen)

For many, the digital medium allows both novice and master artists alike to enjoy painting in a new and clean way. I doubt I would move into painting if I had to dedicate a large area of my small apartment to the mess it creates. I love being able to sit down at the PC and doodle in oils and pastels. For this type of application, master painter or not, nothing beats a tablet!

Perhaps you should at least give them a try before you declare them useless


#3

That’s a lot of opinion for someone who’s never used a tablet.

What’s your propaganda agenda for anyway? Anti-technology? Or just trying to stir up another heated discussion that will end up getting closed after a few posts?

I love my Wacom, I love my sketchbook. They’re both tools and one is better than the other for specific tasks. Who cares really? :shrug:


#4

Quoted for agreement. Like Kirt said, looks like you´re an anti-technology guy. I´m an architec who was teached by some oldschool guys. Back then, the vast marjority constantly bashed any CAD program, especifically autocad. As a novice I agreed with then first. When I tried drawing with autocad for the first time, how wrong I was. I never used tablets, but I´ve seen amazing things done with then, far from having lines that are considered “dead”.

Ps: I´m not trying to promote autocad, I used as an example and because it´s the standard around here.


#5

I love my tablet. Most people I’ve spoken to that have tablets loves it, the two that hated it started loving it after a few weeks of training.

Finding a drawing that looks better done digitally than it would’ve looked done on paper is about as infrequent as meteor shower or something. Not that digital drawings are generally bad, just that they tend to look worse and regularly seem to lose some of their spark. This applies to most novice art and professional alike.

In other words it applies to everyone.
wel, I can say the oposite, but going as far as saying its as infrequent as a meteor shower… no way. I’ve seen a lot of great pencil drawings and a lot of great oil paintings, but of the newer generation, I’ve peronally seen more digital great art. Although I’ve seen a lot of crappy aswell.

Although I’ve seen some very appealing works composed entirely on the computer, the vast majority of these were paintings. And not just paintings – very sophisticated paintings, done in hours, if not days.

So? I could say the same about traditional art. In fact, I’ve never seen something great produced in less than 30 minutes.

Point is, people who are interested in tablets usually are not into coloring a masterpiece painting. The majority, the leading trend among today’s aspiring artists is simply into drawing nice appealing forms and shapes, without too much effort. In contrast this means studies, concept art, sketching and illustration. And those are the same people who are most hyped out about Wacom, the ones who quite bluntly, don’t need it.

Excuse me? Whitout much effort?! … Slaps hard
Who said a wacom makes nice stuff whitout much effort?
A wacom is usually like drawing on paper, just in a different pose.
The only thing I find a little better, in my opinion, is that the color quality gets better (compared to pencils), and that it is a little easier shape your brush/pencil and make different textures digitally.
I think smudging is a little easier manually tho’.
Other than that, everything is pretty equal.

(…) they realize not only that this tool is much less proficient at delivering the results they’re looking for, but also this tool directly deducts their ability to draw something appealing, which would’ve otherwise looked ten times better if the tool was swapped with another tool, a thousand times cheaper, called a paper and a pen.

I don’t know where you live, but here, paper, pen, knife, oils, whatercolors, a scanner, ink, ect. will cost more after a while if you’re the kind of person that will draw aproximaly 5-10+ sketches a day.

One huge advantage I got whit the wacom, is that when imitating the inking effect, I don’t smear everything out as I do whit traditional ink, since I’m a lefty. Still I like to play whit inks at times :slight_smile:

If you’re good using the tablet, you can get any look you whant.

Drawing, whether a quick sketch or a finalized piece, is all about throwing random marks on a slick surface. Somehow during this process of jiggling your hands, you make it look good, even though most of those lines you just splattered make no sense. Such semi-automatic drawing is the core of each work of yours, more apparent in the initial drawing process but remains true throughout the entire thing. I’m not sure about the science of this phenomenon, but I do know it cannot be achieved properly using your 9 inch tablet. You simply cannot throw random lines in your favorite drawing software without making them look ridiculously… dead.

Yes it can!

(…) from rough to tough, and when you cease to believe in their effectiveness of doing so, you simply cease to draw well. And this exactly what happens given time. Take a pencil and scribble something onto a blank paper, it wouldn’t look particularly good, but it would make sense. Conversely, do the same with a tablet and a new file in Photoshop. Now it kills you to even look.

Then I must be supreeme. I rather like bouth of my results, alltho’ I’m more average than good when it gomes to art.

if you see yourself drawing with it. It wouldn’t blend. As to other pros and cons of tablets vs. pencils, I wouldn’t even go there. Let’s just say CTRL+Z is more a con than it is a pro. (for drawing.)

Why not? It is more or less exactly the same.
I personally see ctrl+z as bouth pro and con. Same whit layers. (and this is coming from a layer whore)


#6

Propaganda agenda? No. I’m just letting people know about the other side of the coin, the lesser happy and naive side of the coin, about tablets. I mean constantly I keep hearing about those people who recently purchased an Intuos 3 going all “HOW COULD I LIVE WITHOUT IT”. Then they show some of the stuff they made, and you squint. Not because the drawing is bad, but because you know how better it could’ve looked on paper.

I’m all for tablets when it comes to creating gorgeous scenery, detailed characters, and typically everything painted, which is pretty much the only application today’s tablets are proficient at. Now, most of the people who buy tablets don’t care jack shit about colors. When it comes to 2D art, the majority of aspiring artists today vouch to be the next Feng Zhu. Rough sketching, experimental studies, understanding prospective. Basically, all things concept art. Could you honestly say tablets are better suited task for this than pencils?

Know that I’m not saying that you should never buy a tablet. Technology moves forward, both hardware and software change for the better. Soon hopefully it would be difficult to differentiate between a digital drawing done with a tablet and a scanned drawing and drawing on a magnetic field would be as seamless and fun as drawing on a compressed pile of fiber.

It has nothing to do with me. I just want to help someone spare 400 big ones, if indeed the task he’s looking to do with it is drawing.


#7

I don’t suppose you’ve ever seen the work of Hyung-tae Kim, Ryan Church, Krishnamurti “Antropus” Costa, Herald Belker, Scott Robertson, DUSSO, Ian McCaig, Dylan Cole, Linda Bergkvist, Adi Granov, Drew Posada, Greg Horn = http://www.greghornjudge.com/

Or maybe half of the people that come here?


#8

that was actually fun to read, thanks for taking your time :slight_smile:


#9

Don’t know about the others but I do know for a fact that Hyung-tae Kim, Ryan Church, Herald Belker, Scott Robertson, Adi Granov, as well as many others, initially lay down their ideas on a piece of paper, and mostly use a tablet for finishing touches and presentation purposes.


#10

Most people do the sketch on paper, but most also do all the painting digitally. Hyung-tae Kim included. Scott Robertson is a trick submission because he is back, and forth /Either or AFAIK.

But your point of “tablets are NO GOOD” is a bunch of crap IMO. :thumbsup:


#11

Is this a troll thread or what?


#12

Yes. And yet most people who buy a tablet buy it for the opposite cause, trusting it’s ability to produce incredible imagery, they slowly realize it’s entirely different than drawing from scratch or sketching.

And I would’ve put the first line as title, but it turned out to be too long.

Yes. Because reality is always trollsum. Grim.


#13

Yes, alot of digital artists still use paper and pencil…this in itself does not devalue the tablet! NO GOOD is quite a large blanket statement…and not a good one…especially considering your audience.

Both the tablet and the pencil have their place. However, I do believe that the tablet is quickly becoming almost as versitle as paper methods. Not just the tablets, but the software used to interact with them is getting better.

There is a big difference between using the paper/pencil method to lay down a quick sketch, and using it to complete a composition. Alot of digital artists start with pencil, however, 95% of the work on a single piece is done on the PC, with a tablet. How can you say this makes the tablet useless?

And when you speak of Reality, what you really mean to say is: Opinion


#14

Hey, the “Yo” in the title is not without a cause. In by itself the title is cynical, but it does convey an importand message into the discussion. The fact that I’m cynically generalizing in the title is disputed by reading the first line of the thread.

Both the tablet and the pencil have their place. However, I do believe that the tablet is quickly becoming almost as versitle as paper methods. Not just the tablets, but the software used to interact with them is getting better.

Let’s frigging hope so, I want a tablet too you know.

There is a big difference between using the paper/pencil method to lay down a quick sketch, and using it to complete a composition. Alot of digital artists start with pencil, however, 95% of the work on a single piece is done on the PC, with a tablet. How can you say this makes the tablet useless?

That’s doubtful. I wouldn’t go into it, it’s beyond the point. People who are looking to draw shouldn’t be using tablets. Drawing and painting are quite different you know…

And when you speak of Reality, what you really mean to say is: Opinion

Actually, my subjectivity is surprisingly objective.


#15

I’m curious, are you saying that tablets are no good for drawing or no good in general? I worked as a texture artist on a next-gen game and without my couple-of-hundred-dollar-tablet I would’ve gone mad after a few days of trying to create textures with a mouse.

As for trying to dissuade people who believe that a wacom will grant them godlike powers or let them become the next Ryan Church, I think you would do a better job of it in the public forums. I have no scientific basis for this theory, but my feeling is that the people who invest in the membership are more serious about creating art than those who don’t, and as such they don’t necessarily believe in the illusions you are trying to dispel.

This thread feels more like a way to get some attention than actually trying to contribute to the forum. But that’s just my cynical gut talking.


#16

petche - I get the impression from your posts that you believe that a tablet somehow makes a difference in the quality of the art. The truth is that no matter what medium or tool an artist uses, the art is only going to be as good as the artist’s skill.

A Wacom does not make the art good or bad, it’s the artist’s understanding of form, composition, line weights, color or painting techniques. Give a pencil to a bad artist and he/she will continually produce bad art until his/her skill improves. Give a Wacom to a bad artist and you’ll get the same result.

I have Wacom drawings that are indistinquishable from my sketchbook drawings to most people. The tablet/Wacom/tabletPC/Cintique is a fine substitute for traditional methods and there are many professionals who use them exclusively or as another valuable asset in their tool kit.

This thread is by far the most horridly composited arguement I’ve seen in ages and it stinks of troll. Why you’re compelled to argue the point when you haven’t even tried a tablet makes all of your arguments even less valid.

Just one step away from thread lockdown … let’s see how long this takes. :argh: :banghead:


#17

This thread is by far the most horridly composited arguement I’ve seen in ages and it stinks of troll. Why you’re compelled to argue the point when you haven’t even tried a tablet makes all of your arguments even less valid.

Or just completely invalid, for that matter.
A tablet is capable of a whole hell of a lot more than you’re suggesting. You should try one out sometime.

And the point of a tablet is not always going to be to match the level of detail that you can get with traditional medium, or to get the same look of traditional medium. In fact, I’d say that that is rarely the case. With a tablet, you can paint textures on a 3d model in realtime, getting as detailed as you want to be. Add Z-Brush to your pipeline, and you can easily paint the shape of your models as well. Good luck doing that with a pencil. You can paint massive billboards and easily send the finished files off to clients. Try painting that billboard by hand, and then having it scanned. You can imitate any medium you want, with as much detail as you want, without having to pay hundreds of dollars for paper and special paints. You can make any image as dirty or as clean as you want (far “cleaner” than traditional medium would allow). How clean or how detailed you get is up to the artist. Many of these advantages make a tablet sn absolutely essential tool to many artists in this industry. They’re very very far from being “no good.”


#18

I try not to make absolute statements.
Being wrong is a certainty when reporting things as absolute. :smiley:


#19

sigh No fun.:blush:


#20

Yo, I’ll tell you want what I really want I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna I wanna really really really shut this thread down right now!

[left]Peace guys! :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak
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