WIP: KREOLA - Jonah Booth-Remmers

#9

hey Jonah, I think the problem is that the composition (in all versions) drags you towards the distance, but then there’s nothing there; So if you could add a subject or more city or something there, all should be fine!

#10

Hi jonah, nice work on the b&w studies.
I personally feel the bottom left one is the strongest so far. I like how that big element in the bg helps leading the eye inside the picture. Try to push this idea even further and play with some foreground/ midground elements as well.
There’s a nice painting by Dylan Cole that has a somewhat similar feeling. It’s an indian environment, with people taking a bath in the river. If you cant find it let me know and i’ll try to attach it here. If you look at it you’ll notice how your eye probably goes from the foreground element (the people) to that mg building and stops at the big structure in the background. Light and shadows also play an important role.
Keep it up!

#11

Thank you for the invaluable feedback!

I did find the image you mentioned Fabio, it is a great example! Just how you’re pulled seamlessly from the people on the left to the mid city area and then to the citedel in the background … genius

So just posting the composition I’ll likely use, I’m imagining detail in the right corner to catch the eye first, then left to the tower, then right to the background structure. And light coming in from the left!

I’ll push on colour and re-integrate the plate next :smiley:

#12

nice flow already, put some detail !! I want to see this already :slight_smile:

#13

Thanks for the encouragement Jaime, much appreciated :smiley:

Here’s another update, just exploring colours, light and design before I get into more detail.

Thoughts always welcome :cool:

#14

Really feeling the ambiance of this place now! I like the warm tones of the sun, matches the description in the extract. Looking forward to seeing more! :slight_smile:

#15

this is my current favorite.I love the direction in which you’re going.

#16

Great depth and sense of scale ! looking forward to see the full detail !

#17

Looking wonderful Jonah, you’ve been chosen for this week’s WIP of the Week for this challenge, keep it up!! :slight_smile: We usually promote on Facebook, Twitter, and sometimes LinkedIn! Here’s your post on FB CGSociety page:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153251090745109&set=a.10150236256400109.461531.16448385108&type=1

#18

Great choice… wonderfull work Jonah…
My favorite, congratz

#19

Thank you all so much for the comments, they’re all sincerely appreciated! Its great to hear that the piece is heading in the right direction :smiley:

@ David: Thanks for the WIP of the week too, hugely appreciated and humbled!!!

I’m off to hunt for some good photo resources now :cool:

#20

So I have an update! Its still quite early days for the details but I’ve been laying in textures and trying to get things to sit without losing the feel of the previous concept or the sense of light and depth, I haven’t matched colours or detail level of the photo elements yet.

Love to hear your thoughts!!

#21

Looking good, nice colours and good to see another Adelaide entry!

Have you done a perspective overlay on this yet? The original plate buildings and many other elements are all pointing to different vanishing points, but I expect you’ll probably get around to that once you finish the concept and start the matte painting.

I’ll post the perspective image again on my thread for anyone else who has issues with splitting the plate.

Good luck with the final piece.

James

#22

Hi James, thanks for your reply!

I will look at the perspective with the reference plate you have made, that should be a huge help!! :cool:

#23

Hi Jonah,

If it’s any help, from what I can see this is where I’m guessing your vanishing point is based on the left plate and other elements there.

http://s1201.photobucket.com/user/ATC125/media/perspective.jpg.html

The red lines are perspectives that are completely out. The rear hills and structures are about 3km high if you consider the horizontal line is the horizon.

As the Adelaide reps in the comp we better put on a good show hey!

Best
James

#24

If I may add a word from myself… using one vanishing point and straight edges leading to it directly, makes sense only if you use it in something like a tunnel, with only parallel (or normal), flat walls and leading straight to this point. But it doesn’t have to be like this. And - if I interpret and perceive image and intentions of Jonah correctly - this is not that case.

By the way - this is a great vision Jonah. There is a lot of space to live in this city. When you match details to that vision it will be magnificent!

Regards
Jonatan

#25

I agree, there would only be parallel lines toward the horizon VP if every building was on the same plane, and of course in a city like this, that would never happen, however my point remains that buildings can be obscured on their axis, but the basic vanishing point remains that dictates relative spacial size and distance.

Which is why I made the perspective reference image for anyone having problems with splitting the plate:

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb343/ATC125/Kreola/perspectivelayer.jpg~original

But yes, this is a really nice concept, with good light and colour, which is why I simply wanted to make sure any perspective issues Jonah might have could be addressed before he moves on to the matte painting.

#26

thank you both for your generous feedback on the perspective. I was going for a general, but not precise, consistency in the perspective based of the many differing vp’s of the original plate. I do agree that there are still certain areas and elements to be tweaked so I will be taking into account your feedback to improve these areas!

Thanks again :applause:

#27

Here it is! My final for the competition. I realise it’s not quite up to photo real but this is as far as I can take it for now. I hope you all enjoy, its been a great comp to participate in! Good luck to all :smiley:

ps: the full res is here…its huge http://d10syqgei4s0bt.cloudfront.net/kreola/339479/10006268/media.png



#28

Hi Jonah,

I thought we’d lost you for a minute as you didn’t post many WIP’s since the work in progress of the week.

Congratulations on finishing, I know it’s been a challenge for many people, and I must admit I jumped in early and started the photo texturing as I knew how much time it was going to take, and I’m still not finished yet!

A few things to consider, and to keep in mind for next time…

When using photoshop alone (i.e like me, with no 3D program to assist you with perspective and lighting/shadows) is that you have to really be aware of spacial placement, size and overall uniformity, as well as sharpness uniformity.

For example, you have a very strong rear low light source, which should be casting long dark shadows toward the bottom right. For example there are short light shadows on the right side arch, and the right side plate building in the FG still has it’s original lighting which is almost vertical.

When adding elements such as houses, they can be your best friend or a complete curse, as they will all have different lighting depending on what time of day and what country they were shot in, so in your image on the right, you have many different lighting levels, times of day etc, plus the perspective for each building is quite distorted in places.

Just some things to watch out for in future work. Your original concept was really nice, my wife really liked it, it was warm and had nice light. Translating that same feeling to a photo real image is difficult I know.

What part of Adelaide are you from? I live down in the southern suburbs if you ever want to catch up and chat.

All the best
James