Wich GPU to get


#1

Hey all.

Um i wuz wondering wich GPU would be better to spend lots a cash on.

I dont have much so im going for the
GF FX 5900 or the ATI 9800 PRO

Im using max 5.

Wich card would be the better choice, i know GF FX has great driver support… and i know the ATI has good speeds when it comes to anti- anilising.

Please give me opinions or facts.

Thank you for yer time


#2

neva mind , im getting the 9800


#3

For 3D nvidia is better actually.

Though I have the 9800, but I bought it for games too.


#4

How is the driver support for the 9800 ?

any good… or not, im ordering in 2 hours time, please let me know before i waste my loan cash


#5

gtidhar

i thank you for giving me some input, and the rest of the comunninty for making sure we all can get the best for our cash,

i must admint im suprised at how helpfull everyone wuz.

Thanx again gtidhar :slight_smile:


#6

Ye old search button does wonders for common questions such as yours. Search the board for “ATI” and find plenty of stories of their poor driver support and errors that make certain features in programs such as Maya unusable.

Will the 9800 work, yes, will it work well, no. If you are more into games than 3D then by all means go for the 9800. Otherwise go for an NVIDIA product. It would actually be best to wait out this generation of cards and see what is offered next if you are wanting the best in features.


#7

Originally posted by stephen2002
[B]Ye old search button does wonders for common questions such as yours. Search the board for “ATI” and find plenty of stories of their poor driver support and errors that make certain features in programs such as Maya unusable.
the poor driver support is only as far as Pro aps go, which means FireGL. The Radeon’s have excellent support as far as gmaing goes, but they just weren’t meant for pro aps (nor was the GForce), for that you need a FireGL or you just use RivaTuner to force your 9800 to be a FireGL :thumbsup: . Of course, the FireGL drivers are still not where they should be for a Pro card but ATi finally got their heads out of their arses on the issue and moved their FireGL driver dev team to Canadia (misspelled on purpose) so that the communication between them and the chip engineers would be a lot better and hopefully a lot of problems would start getting fixed, and if you look at their newest drivers you’ll see that they are beginning to get things done. I’d give them about a year before ATi’s Pro user support is at the level of nVidia’s now.


#8

Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
The Radeon’s have excellent support as far as gmaing goes

Like when they were blowing up everyone’s monitors?


moved their FireGL driver dev team to Canadia (misspelled on purpose) so that the communication between them and the chip engineers would be a lot better and hopefully a lot of problems would start getting fixed

That won’t help much since the 9700/9800 were designed in California.


#9

Originally posted by CgFX
[B]Like when they were blowing up everyone’s monitors?

That won’t help much since the 9700/9800 were designed in California. [/B]
blowing up peoples monitors? what the heck are you talking about. And as for moving the driver team to Canadia- yes, it will help a lot; they used to be in the UK.


#10

Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
blowing up peoples monitors? what the heck are you talking about. And as for moving the driver team to Canadia- yes, it will help a lot; they used to be in the UK.

How does being 2500 miles and 4 hours away help them any better than before? And they were in Germany. At least regurgitate what you read correctly. http://www.theinquirer.net//?article=11697

Yes, they are blowing up customer’s monitors and in some cases their Radeon cards:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00479/

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=52230#post52230

http://www.3dchipset.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=472


#11

LOL good link. I have been corrected, they were originally in Germany, however it might be beneficial for you to read the article before posting it. If you had actually payed attention to it you would have read that the hardware engineers are in Canada as well. So, while my error was more technical and had no real impact, you’rs completely invalidates your point. You’re quite obviously a fool and I intend to totally ignore you from now on.

To anyone scared about their hardware being “blown up”- it apears to be a hoax, however I will concede that it is possible that some very very old monitors could have been damaged. The issue was that the drivers were allowing people to run refresh rates that their monitors couldn’t handle. Most monitors bought in the last 7 years have protection against refresh rates that the monitor can’t handle which prevents any damage to the monitor. However, this is also a user error- the user would have to actually change the refresh rate themselves to do any damage. Also, if by some chance your card does overheat due to drivers then you shuld take it up with the company, they should be able to replace the card for you.

Originally posted by CgFX
[B]How does being 2500 miles and 4 hours away help them any better than before? And they were in Germany. At least regurgitate what you read correctly. http://www.theinquirer.net//?article=11697

Yes, they are blowing up customer’s monitors and in some cases their Radeon cards:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00479/

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=52230#post52230

http://www.3dchipset.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=472 [/B]

edit: spelling


#12

Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
So, while my error was more technical and had no real impact, you’rs completely invalidates your point. You’re quite obviously a fool and I intend to totally ignore you from now on.

what the hell are you smoking?

the point is, they’ve moved from one location that is non-US to another location that is non-US. hell, i know how hard it is to communicatie with offices that are in a different state, let alone “closer” by a few countries. when you’re dealing with different time zones, work ethics, holiday times, etc, etc it’s never easy. and personally i see them spending a whole bunch of money to move from one country to another for bugger-all gain. i’ve seen it happen first hand time and time again.

and perhaps you’d better lighten up on the name calling before trying to understand a point someone else is making.


#13

Actually, the monitor “blowing up” is not a hoax, it happened to me (with a Radeon 9500 Pro). After installing 3.8, when I tried to turn my monitor on (a Dell P991 I think, 3 yrs old), it would flicker like crazy and make funny sounds (which I’ve never heard a monitor make before) and then shut off with the power light turning orange, the EXACT SAME thing that was described here:

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=52230#post52230

Eventually I might post a video of it, but probably not.

Also, I wasn’t trying to overclock the card or anything like that, I don’t do that stuff.


#14

Originally posted by elvis
[B]what the hell are you smoking?

the point is, they’ve moved from one location that is non-US to another location that is non-US. hell, i know how hard it is to communicatie with offices that are in a different state, let alone “closer” by a few countries. when you’re dealing with different time zones, work ethics, holiday times, etc, etc it’s never easy. and personally i see them spending a whole bunch of money to move from one country to another for bugger-all gain. i’ve seen it happen first hand time and time again.

and perhaps you’d better lighten up on the name calling before trying to understand a point someone else is making. [/B]
his point was that the engineers were in California, but the article he linked trying to discredit me instead discredited himself because it very clearly stated that the hardware engineers were in Canada, as I originally stated. Where in Europe they came from is pretty much a moot point vs how far they ended up from the hardware team.
I called him a fool because I am tired of him trying to contradict every single thing in every post I make in the hardware forum, and he has yet to make a point that is both valid and pertinent.


#15

Originally posted by Novakog
[B]Actually, the monitor “blowing up” is not a hoax, it happened to me (with a Radeon 9500 Pro). After installing 3.8, when I tried to turn my monitor on (a Dell P991 I think, 3 yrs old), it would flicker like crazy and make funny sounds (which I’ve never heard a monitor make before) and then shut off with the power light turning orange, the EXACT SAME thing that was described here:

http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=52230#post52230

Eventually I might post a video of it, but probably not.

Also, I wasn’t trying to overclock the card or anything like that, I don’t do that stuff. [/B]
have you taken up this issue with ATi? I suggest phoning them. If you have any reasonable proof that their drivers caused the problem then they should give you at least partial reimbursement.


#16

Ya I will, I only realized this was due to the drivers when you guys posted about it, I had never read about it before. I always thought it was just the monitor’s age (and my Dell warranty is expired)…

P.S. How long SHOULD a CRT monitor last?


#17

Originally posted by Novakog P.S. How long SHOULD a CRT monitor last? [/B]
I have the very first model of color monitors that IBM ever put out (i think it’s 12 inch, not sure) that only stopped working about two years ago. The Viewsonic monitor I bought to replace it (which i got about 5 years ago) started to crap out on me about a year ago and in August it finally got so bad (flickering yellow randomly) that I had to replace it. I now am the proud father… er… owner of a NEC 1860NX LCD screen :thumbsup: . I also bought 2 no-name CRTs for my dad about 3 years ago and one works fine, the other is dead.


#18

the unfortunate thing is you will need to PROVE that the card blew up your monitor. as you can imagine there are some pretty opportunistic individuals out there who will always try to bluff their way to free products (“hey ATi, you’re driver blew up my dual 21” sony trinitron setup…").

as with any new driver, i strongly suggest you wait 2 weeks while every other person out there tries it out, and then have a go yourself only after reading user results on places like the guru3d and rage3d forums. these places are usually the first to report the good and bad features of new and beta drivers.

and as always, if your monitor makes the “funny noises” that you heard, get rid of the drivers quick smart!


#19

Originally posted by 3Dfx_Sage
his point was that the engineers were in California, but the article he linked trying to discredit me instead discredited himself because it very clearly stated that the hardware engineers were in Canada, as I originally stated.

If you don’t know who ArtX is, where they were and are still located, and the fact that Tin Van Hook and his talented team are the group now within ATI that developed the 9700/9800 in California then you are wasting my time.


#20

Ya elvis, I pretty much can’t prove it, so I’m stuck.

That’s some good advice, although I didn’t really have chance to get rid of the drivers quickly enough; it happened during startup and by the time my system has entirely booted up the monitor had completely died, so I’m screwed.

Now I’m running a good ol’ Mag XJ810 (18 inch) from 1992! It’s surprising how well it works. Oh well, the equivalent monitor (well, a little better actually) of what I had is only like $150 now, and I can run this XJ810 for a while (no problems as of yet).