what the heck is going on with HASH


#221

Well I’m disappointed with your response Victor.

The idea of being able to bring up technical problems and bugs on a mailing list is simple and twofold:

1: You get a response faster than waiting for Steve to get off his ass only to demand a file that reproduces the results every time, sometimes hard if not impossible to do when it’s an INTERMITTANT crash bug (such as right clicking on an object to flip it over an axis).

2: You get a discussion of what problems OTHER people have faced, and how they solved it, etc… This discussion part is critical if you’re sure (as I am with anything prior to v10) that Hash won’t bother fixing any of the bugs themselves and you need a workaround. It’s THIS insight approach that I find most useful.

I do not have any problem with being kicked by Steve when I break a rule- but in this case the rue is stupid, just plain stupid.

And yes, I want an AM forum in here!


#222

Well guys this is what I’ll do, I’ll create a general 3D forum and have products like A:M, wings, blender and such as a sub category, if they begin to flourish, I’ll move them to the main forum. So tell everyone you know about it here and maybe we can make it finally shine.

I would love to see A:M take its rightful place with the userbase it has. I was once an A:M user myself so I know how good the app can be.

Gimme a few

salud


#223

How is this for a forum:

http://12.213.91.219/scripts/discus/discus.cgi

Take a look


#224

Originally posted by walasek
[B]How is this for a forum:

http://12.213.91.219/scripts/discus/discus.cgi

Take a look [/B]

I think users will benefit more with a forum here, plus it will get their work seen by more people. They will also be exposed to work by users of many other packages. Help them think more outside the box. IMHO that is.


#225

Here you go guys http://www.cgtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=81

I’ll port this over there now, make it rock!!!..

P.S. read my thread in the main part of the forum

salud


#226

Hehe CGTalk beat me to it :slight_smile:

Good - glad to see we will have a forum here.


#227

Originally posted by Dearmad
[B]Well I’m disappointed with your response Victor.

The idea of being able to bring up technical problems and bugs on a mailing list is simple and twofold:

(snip) [/B]

I’m not saying that I agree with the rules of the list, I just choose to follow them and advocate that others do as well. I think perhaps that Hash describing the list as a medium for “technical support” may be incorrect.

With all the discussion going on here it makes me think that maybe there should be a second A:M list devoted solely to the discussion of bugs, etc. That would maintain the spirit of the original list and give people an officially sanctioned and monitored place to vent. I also think that they should hire someone else to moderate the list and handle tech support so that Steve can devote all of his time to coding and fixing.

I’ve generally have great, prompt tech support when I provide a project file and explicite instructions of how to reproduce a crash or bug. The crashes that aren’t project or operation specific are, of course, much harder to track down, both for the user and for Hash. I’ve pulled out my hair plenty of times with pesky crashes, but in the long run things have worked out one way or another. Admittedly, I’ve never used a lot of the fancier features of the software such as dynamics.

I’ll agree that version 9 was not as stable as a release version should be; I stayed with 8.5 until 9.5 was released at which time I migrated hesitantly. Granted, version 9 was a complete rewrite of the software, so in essence they were starting over from scratch. I can understand why users would have been disappointed with it. A:M 9/10 is so much more flexible and robust now, though; I think it has been worth the pain.

One final note: there are obviously a lot of people who share the same feelings about Hash and A:M on this thread, and I’d like to think that there’s a positive way to resolve all of this. Let’s all try to remember that there are emotions and egos on both sides, and try to find constructive ways to solve the problems mentioned here. The anonymity and tonal ambiguity of email often leads to misunderstanding and impropriety; it may be better to call them on the phone or approach them at trade shows with an open attitude.

I am not an A:M evangelist (well, not officially) but I like the software and the people who make it. There have been some valid points raised and I believe the guys at Hash are cool enough to be open to constructive suggestions and pleas for help. Ultimately it’s up to them to decide what direction to take their business in, but I’m sure they don’t want to see resentment in their user base.


#228

Originally posted by walasek
Acceptable to whom? The customer? The business?

Society. I don’t think anyone would consider it acceptable for a restaurant owner to kick people out of his establishment for trying to warn other customers that they are about to get food poisoning. A better solution would be for the owner to take the complaints into consideration, and assure the customers that the problems will be resolved.


#229

Now that we have a forum here, it’s time to let the A:M list know about it.

Cheers, Graham:beer:


#230

Originally posted by Graham Clark
[B]Now that we have a forum here, it’s time to let the A:M list know about it.

Cheers, Graham:beer: [/B]

That’s a violation of the A:M List Bible… er… rules. You’ll probably get banned by Almighty Steve.


#231

Hello all. I have used A:M since ver.5 and I have loved/hated it just like most of you. As a Mac A:M user, maybe I am willing to hold out hope or have patience longer than PC users. We all know they have more choices available. A:M has given me a lot of satisfaction, being able to model characters, decal them, set them up, pose them and render them. I guess I’m optimistic that the worst part of A:M’s transition is over. Version 9 was awful, version 9.5 was less awful and I hear good things about version 10. So guess what? I’m going to upgrade to version 10. Do I think everything will be great? No. Do I think they will get better? Yes. But not by trashing the product on a separate forum. I’ll probably deal with bugs as they come up, but I am desperately waiting for the OSX version to be released (end of year if lucky). Maybe I’ll send in my once a year bug report and see if my name gets posted with the bug fix.

You’ve got to admit that Hash has been trying to accomplish a lot lately. Probably WAY too much. Rewriting the program, adding new features, porting to OSX, fixing bugs (yes, they are fixing bugs). All that is probably why Gilles started the “thread of doom”. We want what we want. Stability. Advertized features that actually work. And I want decent HAIR!!! (for my models, not me). But that is a tall order for a small group of programmers. They need feedback from the users containing facts and files.

Will this forum last? I don’t know, but I doubt it. From the posts I’ve read most of you have stopped using A:M. Can you post helpful info here if you don’t have or use the software? How will this make the software better if the guys at Hash aren’t even reading this forum? If this is just a frustration release forum, maybe it’s purpose has already been served.

I haven’t been on the A:Mlist for a month or two mainly because the list has a lot of people with opinions about everything but 3D animation. I hope as the software does become more stable, the topics will become more appropriate and that actually some of you guys would return and again be the great examples you were to me, but to the new users also.

Jim


#232

Hiya Jim, long time bud, haven’t heard you in awhile… Good to see you’re still using A:M

As for this forum, it’ll last as long as it’s used, I let the guys here just vent, that’s bascially all they’re doing, BUT I haven’t read every single post and I don’t like the bashing the company idea.

I’ve had my time with Steve and even helped him out a few times, just check my site, although I don’t use A:M anymore I always compare my current softs with it. Many a time I said I wish I had a pose editor like I did in A:M all the while I was using Max…

A:M is bloody good, but the boys need a wakeup call IMHO, and this might be it, I don’t like the bashing tho, but they are free to voice their opinions to get it off their chest… You have to admit the mailinglist is very tight, and this is the one time they got to speak what they wanted to openly, without the fear of being kicked :slight_smile:

The forum will last, just use it

salud


#233

Hi lildragon! I didn’t mean to speak against your forums at all or even this forum in particular. It CAN be a great service to the users of A:M. It just doesn’t seem to be headed in that direction at the moment. I would definitely like to participate in a looser forum that was “constructive”. And I don’t mean “A:M worshipping” when I say constructive. We are all aware of the faults of A:M. Maybe this forum can use the combined knowledge of the users to write up better bug reports that are sent to Steve. That way we can all verify that they know about certain bugs or we can actually prove that it is someone’s system that is the fault. That would be constructive and not A:M worshipping.

Here’s hoping,
Jim


#234

Yes I agree, I would personally like to see this flourish into another great userbase community. It has the potential, it’s just up to the users :slight_smile:

P.S. don’t worry, I didn’t read your post that way, I know exactly what you meant :wink:

Come on guys let’s see some art!

salud


#235

Okay, I’ll go…

Here’s my latest female character. I’m upgrading Spacegirl.

http://homepage.mac.com/talbotj/SPACEGIRL2003.jpg

Jim


#236

Originally posted by JTalbotski
[B]Okay, I’ll go…

Here’s my latest female character. I’m upgrading Spacegirl.

http://homepage.mac.com/talbotj/SPACEGIRL2003.jpg

Jim [/B]

Looks great but I’m still partial to your Clinton, not that anyone but you, me and Rick have ever seen him :stuck_out_tongue:

Nico


#237

Originally posted by My Fault
[B]Looks great but I’m still partial to your Clinton, not that anyone but you, me and Rick have ever seen him :stuck_out_tongue:

Nico [/B]

Thanks, Nico. I think I can show him for promotional purposes. I think. I’ll see if I can find anything out about that.


#238

Originally posted by JTalbotski
Thanks, Nico. I think I can show him for promotional purposes. I think. I’ll see if I can find anything out about that.

I think I have my tweaked version around somewhere. Course Clinton’s not as dreamy as your Space Girl :slight_smile:


#239

when you talk about lightwaves interface, there are 2, layout and modeler. i personally love modeler, i think its wonderfully intuitive(check my modelling videos). layout may be another story, but either way, familiarizing yourself to the program by checking through the huge amount of documentation and tutorials can change your mind.


#240

The AM list acctually have at least one feature that is rare on other list. If you make a post and especially if it is critical in some matter there is an automatic spell correction that kicks in and creates an identical post of your message but with small notes and fill in words.

I really think that’s an important feature to have. It really must make all people happy to get a free lection in English as well as learn some AM tricks.

Only sad thing is that they not have made them searchable in the knowledge base. It could have been of greate use.

I was thinking about suggesting them to create a such a searchable spelling knowleadgebase or even better make it searchable directly from inside AM itself.

But as I was afraid that it could be taken as complaining of a missing feature and get me trown of the list I never did it.

Insted I print all messages, cuts out the spelling corrections and glue them onto the walls.

But… also that has it’s drawbacks as my wife threatens to leve me and the dog no longer wants to go for a walk.

He just walks up to the wall, lifts a leg and…well you know…

:wink: