as one of the censored 
iād say that itās being done only when absolutely necessaryā¦ when the thread becomes both disruptive and irrelevant to the topic at hand: the good and bad aspects of life with animation: master.
iāve got no complants. itās light-years from the one-sided treatment on the animaster list.
-jon
Originally posted by pabitel
If you think Hash is unique in trying to supress free speech ā take a look at the LightWave forum here on cgtalk, where they are actually censoring threads. If Iām not mistaken, the moderator actually works at NewTek. Hell, these guys make Steve look like Thomas Jefferson.
Yes, one of the moderators does work for NewTek.
However, I think your accusation is completely unfounded. We are all SICK TO DEATH of that topic that I (not William) removed. I wouldnāt have even removed it, since I started ignoring those threads a long time ago, but I received a few complaints about it from users (not NewTek employees), so I removed it.
Thank God for this forum and the super cool moderator we have.
Well, the moderator here certainly has better manners than you.
I am highly insulted by your RUDE, IGNORANT, and STUPID comment about my actions being inspired by Apartheid regime of my countrys past. You obviously know nothing about the atrocities of that era.
I think that was a disgusting comment to make.
We have a system on this forum of removing threads that we receive complaints about, and if you donāt like that, then donāt come here.
Itās not like we are just removing any ones that we donāt like or donāt agree with (like the old Hash list), we are removing the ones that become troublesome.
You obviously have no idea about how a forum is run, or about South African history, for that matter, since you seem to be able to mention that shameful era with such casualness.
I really think you need to learn some manners and courtesy.
often threads are removed by the request of the thread starter as well as others. leigh is a very cool mod, ask anybody there, and she does not work for newtek.
Originally posted by pabitel
[B]If you think Hash is unique in trying to supress free speech ā take a look at the LightWave forum here on cgtalk, where they are actually censoring threads. If Iām not mistaken, the moderator actually works at NewTek. Hell, these guys make Steve look like Thomas Jefferson.Thank God for this forum and the super cool moderator we have. [/B]
Wow, I canāt believe you actually made an āApartheidā crack to Leigh on the LW forum. You need to apologize right now or get the heck outta here. Absolutely pathetic!
:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow
Hey guy,
Looks like you raised a stink. The thread has been put back on the forum so you can look at it.
Of course, we all know weāll never see the name you used for that attack again, as you will undoubtedly re-registered under a less embarrassing handle.
But YOU ought to be quite embarrassed and shamed.
Robert Wilson
UnCommon Grafx
Originally posted by My Fault
[B]Wow, I canāt believe you actually made an āApartheidā crack to Leigh on the LW forum. You need to apologize right now or get the heck outta here. Absolutely pathetic!:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow [/B]
I better get the heck outta here. Right now.
Originally posted by pabitel
I better get the heck outta here. Right now.
Not a surprise, you donāt strike me as being man enough to apologize.
Pabitel wrote: I better get the heck outta here. Right now.
We do not argue with you this timeā¦
While it is easy to see red, let us instead cool down with some good
music or whatever.
Letās give the man the benefit of doubt; that he really didnāt think too much about what he wroteā¦
Stay cool. Stay friendly.
Cheers,
Rune
Did you guys see what was posted on the other thread about netrender? Someguy got an email from Steve who said something about pointsampler?
{{However, there are times when Multipass is beneficial, even necessary (DOF, Motion Blur, multi-light rigs) for those reasons, there will be a new āpointsamplerā renderer in 10.5 that will include Multipass- itās important to note, that this will be a TRUE multipass renderer, not a hybird like at has been in the past}}
Cool.
Originally posted by koon69
[B]Did you guys see what was posted on the other thread about netrender? Someguy got an email from Steve who said something about pointsampler?{{However, there are times when Multipass is beneficial, even necessary (DOF, Motion Blur, multi-light rigs) for those reasons, there will be a new āpointsamplerā renderer in 10.5 that will include Multipass- itās important to note, that this will be a TRUE multipass renderer, not a hybird like at has been in the past}}
Cool. [/B]
Maybeā¦but Iām going to give my spine a little exercise as I take advantage of my right as a consumer to conduct any future business with a company that values its customers.
AM wasnāt the first 3d app I started using. So I luckily didnāt feel that I had too much invested in it in order to dump it.
The amazing work showcased prompted me to buy it along with the tutorial videos and books. It didnāt take long to figure out it would be an uphill battle with AM. I wouldnāt be suprised if the guy I sold it to ended up passing it on to some other guy to deal with.
We have seats of several of the big apps - Maya, Lightwave, Cinema4D, and smaller ones like TrueSpace, Nendo and Milkshape3d (for real-time content). Even a couple of simplistic ones like Amorphium and Bryce. None of them were as fun, as an artist, to work with than AM (except Nendo). But AM would crash too often during modeling, and I soon got discouraged and didnāt get too far. I didnāt stick with it long enough to figure out the nuances of getting surface creases ironed out. Never got around to animating much. Plus all of the negativity and the seemingly hostile attitude Hash has toward itās userbase made the idea of dumping it easier.
I can sympathize for those that stuck with it and to proselytize the great things about AM but ultimately got burned. But I think it just shows the amazing talent of those artists in spite of the tools they were working with.
As it stands, there is no one particular app that I really had an affinity too except Nendo, but Nendo is strictly a modeler and not a full blown 3d app. I was offered student pricing (even though Iām not a student) for a full seat of Mirai a few years ago. Iām glad I held off getting it at the time as theyāve since been bought out by another company. And Mirai and Nendo seem to be stuck in limbo.
Wings3D has impressed me the most from what it has turned into. Amazing dedication in a developer. And to think it is freeā¦amazing. Bjorn is has created a truly fantastic offering. I do all of my modeling in Wings now.
Iām having fun using Blender. It still has a lot of shortcomings, and definitely has that āin-house toolā grittiness to it. But development is being fueled by passionate developers. And it will only become a better app over time.
Open Source is allowing everyone access to some really cool tools created by some really talented programmers. I think most, like myself, donāt work in a tools vacuum and have to shuffle content between apps. And proprietary apps that donāt play well with others is ultimately doomed to fail at some level sooner or later.
Interesting thread ! How is the situation today ? How many āgurusā that were banned one year ago are still here and support A:M actively ? What happened to Mr Cosman and Commiekeebler ? How does Hash treat their community today ? Do the problems that caused the riots still exist ?
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āInteresting thread ! How is the situation today ? How many āgurusā that were banned one year ago are still here and support A:M actively ? What happened to Mr Cosman and Commiekeebler ? How does Hash treat their community today ? Do the problems that caused the riots still exist ?ā
I was one of the people chucked off that old list and I am still using the program and plan to make a kick-ass short with it.
Wegg is the owner of the studio that Cossman and such were in and he is the moderator of this forum. He will be using AM on a small project soon.
Commiekeebler was given a free upgrade to v10 and on his website says that all is forgiven. Allthough I donāt know what he is doing now.
Stability is much improved and the code base hasnāt changed for a long time (compared to how it has in the past) so stabilty is getting better and the programmers have more time for adding new features rather than fixing bugs.
The OSX port has been released and is getting fixed up pretty well by the looks of it (I donāt have a mac so I donāt really know).
Creasing issues are basically fixed.
The renderer has improved.
There is a new AM forum where people can discuss bugs openly with frequent input from the programmers.
The hair features have been much improved and they are working on improving the other areas where AM fell short.
All in all, I think that Hash have done an admirable job in turning things around and should be applauded.
Agreed. Well everything but the stability part. I dunno why but I seem to have a talent for crashing AM. . . and all Iām doing is modeling. It isnāt ANYWHERE near what it used to be probably once every 3 hours of intense constant modeling. About the same level as Lightwave 8.
Their whole approach to their user base has COMPLETELY turned around. It is a whole new company as far as that is concerned.
I feel thereās more of a partnership relationship between user and Hash now.
You can often talk (email in my case) directly with a programmer to sort out a feature in the software.
For example, if you read some of the threads here, John Keates and Joe Williamsen have by sending bug reports and feature requests helped make the new ādynamic constraintsā truly impressive.
The big problems with A:M in the past where, lumpy models, poor renderer and stability. These have all been pretty much resolved and now A:M has a really top notch hair/fur solution too.
Cloth and import/export abilities remain poor. Cloth is likely to be improved in the near future. The other will probably never be a high priority for Hash, itās not part of their philosophy for the program, and personally I donāt care too much either. For me, the strength of A:M is itās basically all you need to make a ākick-assā movie. No need to re-mortgage your house to buy the program in the first place or indeed those essential plugins, and of course, the character animation tools are literally second to none.
I think Hash has completetly turned around and for the better.:applause: Hey Pequod what do you mean when you said //The other will probably never be a high priority for Hash, itās not part of their philosophy for the program//
Wow, that most be one of the best news I have heard in a long long time! Seriously thatās awesome! I really hope that the positive reinforcement that comes out of this will propel Hash & company to set even higher goals for customer support, satisfaction and reciprocication!
I havenāt used any 3d app in a whileā¦ I should probably get really acquainted with Maya since thatās what we use at workā¦ but I must ask Wegg (btw hi! ):
I remember those were heated topics when we were talking in this thread a while back and I even posted some Carrara latest version pics along with speedmarksā¦ so I wonder howās A:M doing nowadaysā¦
Stabilityā¦ umā¦ did they finally got Undo to really work?
Iām going to close this thread down. Its ancient history and. . . a lot of people are getting confused when they first pop in here and think HOLY CRAP HASH SUCK! when the reality is far from it.
So. . . I hereby conclude the thread that started 18 moths ago.
All is well that ends well.
The End.