we proudly announce: (VRAY for CINEMA 4D)

#541

Good decision! Cinema’s way of handling licenses and plugins with it’s key based system is very good.

#542

Actually, the C4D way and the license server way (like Cebas and Vray on Max) amount to the same thing. you have to buy a license for each simultaneous use. neither are tied to a computer.

Say you have 2 licenses with the license server. when you install Vray you specify the server machine it’s running on and that it. Each time you run Vray inside Max (or C4D as the case my be) it looks to the license server and checks out a license. Then another person runs Vray from another computer and it checks out a license. if a third person runs Vray on another computer the license server will deny access until one of the other users checks back in their license.

Now with the C4D way there is a slight problem. Say you have 2 license in the form of serial numbers. When you install Vray, you plug the number into C4D on one computer. Then, you go to another machine and install with the other serial. Now say you have a third computer and for some reason you need to run Vray on that machine so you plug in one of the other serial numbers and shutdown C4D on the machine with the original serial number. Now, you can run the third machine’s Vray but the original machine can’t because when you launch it again, it checks the network to see if anyone else is using that serial and finds it. This might not be such a big issue for 3 computers but what if you 6 or 7 and only 3 license of Vray, there is going to be some juggling of license. This setup is actually quite common in small shops. The question of ‘who’ is using ‘what’ serial number and ‘where’ becomes a little irritating.

The problem with the Cebas’s license server is that it just works badly. The Vray license server works very well and is the most flexible option not to mention it has saved our butts a few times too. I think it’s a unfortunate that we won’t be able to use it but I’m sure I’ll live. No big deal. I just don’t want people thinking that all license servers are like Cebas.

Thanks!

-=GB=-

#543

Sorry – double post

#544

I absolutely understand that you can’t allow 5 different users to use Vray simultaneously with only one license. That would mean very bad business for you and Chaosgroup.

Since I feel that I have to write things that aren’t “public”, I’ve sent you an email Stefan

I also found ngrava’s post very interesting, especially the part with the VRay license server working great! but I’m wondering if the VRay license server is tied to some hardware (dongle or ethernet-card)? If so there might still be the issue with laptops “out on the field”(?).

Of course I understand that incorporating a license server will add to the development load/time (if it’s not already in VRay standalone?).

Stéphane

#545

well, the vray 1.5 needs a dongle also on max!
if you want the vrayfor max license server you also need a dongle.

this was very unwanted by most people. if the majority really wants this we might think about it. but it is either or…

dongle is bad in our sight, i hate dongles, so does Renato. i for example work in the office, at home in the train etc…i often do not have a dongle with me, this is too dangerous to loose. with c4d system i am flexible and can easiliy work where i am. with other software i often have to problem that the dongle always is there where i am not.
also a dongle would raise the prise for at least 35.- euros plus extra shipping cost, as it must be delivered physically.

please understand that in one good way we must protect our software, we still think the c4d way is the most flexible, free one, with less problems and still enough protection due to the linkage to the c4d version.

cheers
stefan

#546

Hi there,

As I remember the discussion on the cebas forum,…we were all not to happy of how the license system works. (A good documentation helps…) The pros and cons were listed above…
An Idea that occured on the forum was to link it to some sort of USB-network adapter, instead of to a card. This way it would serve as a dongle. The user would decide…, it is also cheaper.

Would it be to much of a hassle to give the user the choice, whether he would prefer a networklicensing or serial number solution?

A freelancer would go with a serialnumber, an agnencie would use the serial solution…

ciao Jan

#547

only as example: if you buy advanced render you can also use it “only” on one c4d license.

same with mograph, hair, s&t etc…
so when it is fair for this i hope it is also for our project.

cheers
stefan

#548

" Would it be to much of a hassle to give the user the choice"

yes to be honest.

we are a small project with limited resources, we cannot implement and handle different protection systems, hope you understand. maybe at a later point, but for now Renato has enough work already.

Stefan

#549

Hi Stefan,
reading up on the Vray info again, it says that it supports 10 render nodes pers license for distributed rendering.
Does this mean 10 Cpu’s or 10 stations ( since most nowadays are dual or quad core, this does make a big difference…)
thanks for the info,

#550

hi moka,
i have to ask this,
i dont know yet how this is in vray.

in FR as you know it is cores not pcs, probably it will be similar,
i personally would like 10 pcs. lets see.

cheers
stefan

#551

Yes I know about FR,
I hope this will be rethought in general by developers, since the typical amount of cores has changed on workstations.
By the way congradulations on your website, some very nice work there !
best

#552

thanks moka:-)

yes we soon have multicore chips, so sooner than later it will be that all have to count sockets not cores…if i can decide it for vray it will be sockets for sure.

cheers
stefan

#553

With V-Ray for 3dsmax specifically, licensing is always per machine, no matter how many sockets or CPUs.

Best regards,
Vlado

#554

Well, why don’t we start a poll about the licensing system? I think that would be the best way, because the users can decide what they want.

#555

as soon as you start designing by poll you will end up in trouble.

If you trust, as I do, the people developing the plugin let them decide what is the best way to distribute it.

Lee

#556

Quoted for agreement

Cheers
Björn

#557

this is very fair,
thanks for the info

#558

good!
so it is DR for 10 machines for VrayforC4d too:-)

cheers
Stefan

p.s. that can make 40cpu’s with the new intel quads or even 80 cpu with 10 octos, with one license only!!!

#559

hi Stefan,
can you estimate (by your own tests) how fast or how slow is vraybridge compared with AR or FR?
and if you load an old scene, is the outcome different ?
( i mean in terms of different scale in bumps, noises, displacement, etc.)

#560

I’d like t know what the AA is like. The AA of FR is crap. AR can get better results in less time. The AA is the killer for animations for me. FR is great for stills, though.