Video Display Cards???


#1

Like the title says.
I’m looking around right now for a video display card, for use with LW and also some of my games.
I’ve been looking through alllllllllllllll the zillions of cards they have at:
http://www.newegg.com/
and am burning out on which one to get.

If some of you have any suggestions, please let me know.
I’m currently using a GeForce 2 MX 400 and it’s just plain getting to be
too much torture for me when working with higher meshes in LW and need something better.
Just trying to rotate an object around in Modeler is killing me.

Plus, playing Morrow Wind freezes intermitantly during play and then starts playing again.
Wouldn’t mind any info on some of the cards that might also be best for recording from TV to DVD.
As I’ve seen that some of them have these features, though this is not nearly
as important as just getting a good decent card for LW.
I am looking at cards with the 256megs onboard memory.

Thanx for any and all REAL LIFE experiences on these cards?

thanx tons…md :slight_smile:
P.S> And if you feel like it, what you you all suggest me getting for a new motherboard with chipset? P4, AMD, or whatever?
I’m currently running on a 1500mhz P4.
I’m outgrowing these things.
And I want to try and “avoid” any expensive RAM requirements, if at all possible.
I mean, like DDR or something like that, unless I have no choice?


#2

No body yet???

I’m really am hoping to get some real feedback on this subject?
I’m good at LW, but no good at allll the zillions of computer parts out these days :frowning:

Thanx again…md :slight_smile:


#3

Quick answer:

For LightWave, the CPU matters MUCH more than video card for display speed, LightWave’s display is limited by the computation of stuff like bones, and even a cheap video card can keep up. Even your current (ancient!) card is still probably CPU limited.

For games? ATI and NVidea are both great. The new NVidia 6800 is a huge winner in terms of quality/speed for the latest games (read, Doom 3).

For future professional 3D? Clearly Nvidia 6800 series. NVidea is better at OpenGL in general. And more importantly, Nvidea is full 32 bit floating point (not 24 bit like ATI) and Nvidia’s 6800 series has shader model 3.0 support, ATI’s latest only has 2.0b. This doesn’t matter much now, but it will in 1-2-3 years as these features become more mainstream and tools like LightWave use the horsepower of the cards directly.

Summary:

#1 get a power CPU first! AMD and Intel are both fine, AMD leads a bit with bang/buck.
#2 Money left over? Get an Nvidia card. A cheap 5700 is OK.
#3 Money left over? More RAM is never a bad option.
#4 Money left over? Forget that cheap 5700 Nvidia, get a 6800 Nvidia. $$$ though…


#4

architook, awesome answer.
Short and to the point.
Thanx.
I sort of knew some of these things, but wasn’t for sure about them.
And I was actually checking into the nVidia 5700 card, as it’s in my price range,
but will check out the 6800 series, just in case i can afford it.
My main problem was simply trying to rotate the object in Modeler, more then problems with Layout.
I was getting sick of waiting for a refresh every time i rotated a complex object.
Was really getting on my nerves, big time.

And I pretty much have resigned to the fact, that CPU was going to be the answer to a lot,
but wasn’t totally sure about that either, as I thought that the rotating the object was a display issue?
But I guess that’s wrong, eh?

So, if you could help a little more, I would really appreciate it? :slight_smile:

What would you suggest in a mother board and CPU setup?
There are just soooooooooo many out there, I have totally lost any sort of clue as to
what would be best and best bang for buck kind of deal?

I’m currently on a P4 1500 (I know, that’s anchient stuff now) and never was totally happy with it’s performance.
I hear lots of good things about AMD, but also hear that they have big time heat problems?
Is this true?
Can I fit a new board into the chassi I currently use for my P4 setup?
I think I’m using an A-Bit board right now, but am open to any thoughts for something else?
So, lets just say, I have 500 to spend, not counting ram.
Kinda hoping to stay away from expensive ram, like DDR, if at all possible?
I can get the 5700 nvidia card for about 91 bucks at NewEgg.
So, if I need to add a bit more, like 200 to the pricing here for a decent MB-CPU, then I can.

thanx for this info and any further info :slight_smile:
…md :slight_smile:


#5

Well, it’s a CPU limited issue, most likely, especially in Layout.
Load a massive object that takes many seconds to redraw. Watch your CPU meter peg at 100%. Then it’s CPU.

What would you suggest in a mother board and CPU setup?
There are just soooooooooo many out there, I have totally lost any sort of clue as to
what would be best and best bang for buck kind of deal?

AN Nforce 3 250 board [any brand] with an Athlon64. Pick the CPU based on your budget, 3400+ is a nice spot.

I hear lots of good things about AMD, but also hear that they have big time heat problems?
Is this true?

It was true 3 years ago before the Pentium 4 came out. Right now Intel is MUCH MUCH hotter than AMD, and the newest P4’s are having huge problems with that…

Can I fit a new board into the chassi I currently use for my P4 setup?
So, lets just say, I have 500 to spend, not counting ram.

If it’s a standard ATX case, absolutely.
If it’s a custom design (meaning Dell), then you’re out of luck.

$500? then $91 for the Nvidia 5700, $99 for a Soltek Nforce 3 250 motherboard,
$293 for a 3400+ Athlon64 (Newcastle version for LW), and $17 left over for pizza.

And you’ll be Very Very Happy.


#6

i got an ATI 9800pro and it runs great.
think they are now like $150:$200


#7

Awesome guys!
An thanx most to you, architook! :slight_smile:

And I just got done picking my neighbor’s brain (he’s a techie in this department too)
and he pretty much said the basics of what you just said.
So thanx tons!
I’m gonna start searching and price checking and see what I can find.

I like the setup you just mentioned and that’s about what I’ll probably go with, or something VERY close to that :slight_smile:

And yeah, I already have more then the hundred for treating me to a fat ass steak, maybe prime rib and a big bake tator with loads of sour cream on top :slight_smile:
Oh, and a nice salad too :slight_smile:

Was, going to get my upgrade to 8 first, but decided it can wait till the next job comes in, as I NEED a better system FARRRR more then anything else right now.

So, thank you very, very much for this great info!

…md :slight_smile:
I owe you one!
P.S. New tutorial going up today for anyone that uses Swift3D-LW version.
it’ll be in:
http://www.erain.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=3
And I’ll be sending out the zipped up “complete” files for everything tomorrow for this to eRain.


#8

architook, ok,
How about this setup?
http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishList.asp?position=current&submit=view

I don’t know squat about ram, so I couln’t price it.
I can wait on the DVD and put that money plus a 100 more towards ram, if I have to.
I have a total of almost 800 to spend.
Do all modern day mother boards use DDR RAM?
Isn’t that expensive type ram?
If this MoBo can use normal ram, then I could take the ram out of my current system and slap that in there?

I couldn’t find the 91 dollar nVidia 5700 card.
Seemed like it was there the other day?

anyway, thanx for any further opinions you might have on my suggestions of what to buy.
…md :slight_smile:

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#9

How about this setup?
I couldn’t find the nVidia 5700 for that 91 dollar price, maybe it was a special
or something. or I just missed it in there.
Also, if I need to get rid of the DVD to get RAM, then I will.
As I don’t know didly squat about RAM or what kind I need for this setup or
how much it would cost or anything like that?
Like, do all new MBs use the DDR RAM now?
Isn’t that the more expensive RAM?
Anyway, this is what I have picked out so far.
Tell me what you think of it?
So far it comes to $609.00, but I have almost $800 or so, total, after I pay some bills :slight_smile:
So, here’s my list so far:
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ASUS “K8V” K8T800 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL $105.00
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket 754 AMD Athlon64 Processors
Chipset: VIA K8T800 + VT8237
FSB: Scalable HyperTransport
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266(un-buffered, ECC&Non-ECC) Max 3GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices by VT8237, 1x ATA 133 Drive by Promise R20376
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xCOM,1xLPT,1xLAN,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),SPDIF Out,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: AD1980 6-Channel Audio
Onboard LAN: Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet
Onboard SATA/RAID: 4x Serial ATA Ports; RAID 0/1 for 2 SATA by South Bridge
RAID 0/1 for other 2 SATA by Promise R20376
Form Factor: ATX more info->

GAINWARD nVIDIA GeForce FX5700 Video Card, 256MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model “FX PowerPack! Ultra/880 TV/DVI 256” -RETAIL $135.00
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce FX5700/425MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB DDR/550MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®1.5
Cable/Accessories: VGA via DVI Adapter, 1 Cable, Driver CD, Manual
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details) more info->

AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 512k L2 Cache, The Only 64-bit Windows Compatible Processor - Retail $294.00
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3400+
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2.4GHz
FSB: Integrated int chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info->

Lite-On 12X DVD±RW Drive, Model SOHW-1213S WHT, Retail $75.00
Specifications:
Write Speed: 12X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 48X CD-R, 24X CD-RW
Read Speed: 48X CD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows 98 / NT 4.0 / ME / 2000 / XP
Features: SMART-BURN. SMART-X function. VAS system.
Packaging: Retail box (see pictures for details) more info->

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Thanx for your opinions on this too :slight_smile:

…md :slight_smile:


#10

MOBO:

 [b]               EPoX "EP-8KDA3J" nForce3-250Gb[/b] Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL                                                                
            Model#                 EP-8KDA3J                                                  Item # N82E16813123219                   

Specifications:
Supported CPU: AMD Athlon64 Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb
FSB: 800MHz (Hyper-Transport)
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X(1.5V), 6x PCI
Ports: 2xPS/2,1xLPT,1xCOM,SPDIF Out,1xLAN,8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC850 8-Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Gigabit Ethernet
Onboard SATA: 2x Serial ATA 150
Form Factor: ATX

$99

CPU:

AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 512k L2 Cache, The Only 64-bit Windows Compatible Processor - Retail
Model# ADA3400AXBOX Item # N82E16819103484
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 3400+
Core: Newcastle
Operating Frequency: 2.4GHz
FSB: Integrated int chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.5V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket 754
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)
[b]$294

[/b]Memory:

[b]               CORSAIR XMS[/b] Xtreme Memory Speed Series, Xtra-Low Latency 184-Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 w/ Platinum Heat Spreader, Model TWINX1024-3200XLPT - Retail
                                                                     
            Model#                 TWINX1024-3200XLPT                                                  Item # N82E16820145523                  Specifications:

Manufacturer: CORSAIR
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2-2-2-5
Support Voltage: 2.75V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: two 64M x 64-Bit
Special Features: Plug-n-FragTM Auto-Configuration - Boots automatically using the Xtra-Low latency values of 2-2-2-5
Warranty: Lifetime

[b]$318

EDIT:

Or u could choose these also, not as fast but a little cheaper.

[/b] Kingston HyperX (Dual Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200

           Model#                 KHX3200AK2/1G                                                  Item # N82E16820144114                                    			 	Specifications:

Manufacturer: Kingston
Model: KHX3200AK2/1G
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2-3-2-6-1T
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime
$282

Graphics card:

[b]               CHAINTECH nVIDIA GeForce FX5900XT [/b]Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP,  Model "SA5900X" -RETAIL                                                                
            Model#                 SA5900X                                                  Item # N82E16814145072                  

Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce FX5900XT/390MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/700MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video)+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®1.4
Cable/Accessories: Not Specified
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details)
[b]$174

There u go :slight_smile:

Ok, so the total sum ($885 / $849) of this system exceeds your budget a little but
it is a very nice computer. Also u could choose the “fx5700” card instead of
5900xt card that I chose for u to lower the total price some.

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#11

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