If you can’t see the differences between that Poser outfit, and the geometry in this model then you aren’t looking very hard. Before going off and lighting the torches, you might want to look a bit closer.
Vampirella (nudity), Daniel Moreno (3D)
herbertV399
#102
I have the right to talk - this is CG TALK - please don’t forget.
I refered to somebody else - I see big similiarities in the upper torso. If you don’t see it - I cannot help you.
Regards.
BoydLake
#103
No-one said you didn’t have the right to talk, but that you might want to look closer. I don’t agree there are enough similarities between the two models to warrant accusing the guy for using Poser and not listing it in the tools used.
Inchiology
#104
Nice work although she does look quite unproportional. What did you mean by nudity? She is not nude. Maybe hot but not nude.
sean_martin
#105
I find it somewhat amusing that on a board where folks chomp at the bit to decry Poser, someone comes along with an image that is possibly Poser-based, and everyone just sorta shuffles their feet and says, “Who cares? She’s HOT!”
I’ll have to remember these critiques the next time folks get all POd over someone using a Poser model in an image.
NeptuneImaging
#106
Hey Guanny,
Nice Vampirella likeness. I have been itching to make a new 3D character and this model has just raised my inspiration. One small crit I have, and it is so minor, is the bat is a little blurry, but you spent so much time on this model it barely matters
AWESOME JOB!! PURELY AWESOME!!
cuppacam
#108
Overall a great piece. Only let down would be the ground she’s standing on. Doesn’t seem to tie in with the background. Maybe make the contrast between the rocks and the background a little less harsh?
Cyborgguineapig
#109
I agree its a wonderful piece but as someone who frequents Renderosity once in a while I could pick up the “poser-ish” look just from the expression on the thumbnail on the frontpage, just couldn’t fool me. The main issue wish Poser models is that the base model was not modeled by the artist himself. We could argue that poser is like another tool in a 3D application, but when the main focal point of the image is created with a premade asset not originally created by the artist, it can be a little disapointing. I would have praised the poster for strong anatomical accuracy but when ym thoughts of poser-ish look was confirmed I can only say that is is a very nice piece overall. I will still give this piece 4 stars though because I truly enjoy it. 
Kevin_Sanderson
#110
I do think it’s important to list what tools, etc. are used. I just don’t think it should be the total focus. Is the end result artistic, or is it crap? That’s what is important, otherwise nobody could rate this. Is it great because it’s 3DMax, LW, Maya, Animation Master, or even Poser…or is it great because a piece of art looks great and conveys something. This work is very good and worthy of the front page. Yes, if a Poser model was used, it should’ve been listed. But perhaps the anti-Poser bias evidenced here made the poster hesitate if it was indeed a Poser based model.
The new Poser 6 models look good (except for Jessi’s knees) so I’m sure people will be assuming some works in the future are derived from them.
Kevin
FranSaa
#111
Excelente trabajo!.. La anatomía y la piel resultan muy convincentes… Te has inspirado en Frazetta?..
Felicidades!.:applause:
f.
webhead
#113
Fantastic work!! Love it! I’d love to see the figure with just the wires! I don’t understand why the high resolution image isn’t working --it worked this morning on someone elses computer. Wish I could get it on my computer! :banghead:
FishNose
#114
Okay, make way for the Vampi expert lol.
I just checked on my comic collection - the cover of #19 (by Gonzalez) is where the famous ‘Vampi with bat’ image first made its debut. It was hugely popular and a couple of months later (in #21) it was offered as a poster. In that original, she points straight at you with the bat on her finger.
#19 was incidentally also the first Vampi Album (1972).
I checked on Baron Vlad harkonen’s Vampirella Suit for Victoria 3 (for Poser). I have both the Vicki2 and Vicki3 versions, both are cut the same.
Now it is entirely obvious that Moreno’s render in this thread is not in any way based on the BVH suit - it is rather based on the Vampi original. The cut on the hip, at the lower belly, and also the curly collar (the #19 pic doesn’t show it, but other Vampi originals do).
BVH’s suit has a completely flat collar and is cut deep at the hip (not rounded like here)
I can’t quite judge whether the image itself is done in Poser (unlikely) or if it is a Poser mesh rendered in another app - this may or may not be the case.
Moreno’s Vampi (the concept is apparently based on this #19 Gonzalez rendition of Vampi) is not as leggy as Gonzalez’ version, but then a number ot other artists (amongst them Frazetta) pictured Vampi as much shorter and curvier, so figure-wise she is not in any way ‘off’.
Her coloring (swarthy skin) is off, for sure. Vampi ‘should be’ pale, as someone pointed out. Being a vampire.
Her outfit is perfect. Her pose is good but the leg is a bit too far off - Vampi was always ‘elegant’ in her stance, never ‘gauche’.
Being a Poser guy myself, I have nothing against Poser renders or Poser meshes - so that is not an issue for me really- But I wanted to give you the info I have at hand.
Whichever way you look at it, this is a very good render indeed.
Unfortunately I can’t post an image here to show the original and the Poser suit. I have however done so in the Poser Forum at Renderosity for those of you who are members there.
Kevin_Sanderson
#115
I think the darker complexion is OK myself. Vampi does look different by each artist who’s been paid to visualize her. Some darker…some paler…and she’s supposed to be alien rather than undead in stories I’ve read. I agree with the costume differences you’ve pointed out.
I’ve loved Vampirella since the 70s. This is a great rendition.
Kevin
hesido
#116
Very good image… The skin shading really gives a fleshy look, good work.
As for the critics:I think the DOF is overdone in foreground and and this suddenly turns the image into that of a miniature scale set. If possible, reduce the DOF effect on the rocks in the foreground (BG is just fine.)
tjanumod123
#117
what a great piece of work…really great…the model looks so real, & great modeling & texturing…& moreover really nice & apt environment…
:applause::applause: :applause:
ftaswin
#118
Really good piece…
Still, better if Poser was mentioned used in the process. I can understand the negative opinions towards that because he only mention Max as the 3D tool, which leave an assumption that the model was built from scratch…
One thing throws me, though…
The lighting made it look like she was photographed in the studio with a fake BG. there is no integration with the BG lighting condition… You know, like those comps in SW EP1. :shrug:
Cheers :love:
Zerflag
#119
I was wondering how it was that a finished work had 8 pages of replies, but now I know… someone mentioned poser.
This seems to be the content of the posts: “good job, but you used poser”
I find this a little ridiculous given that the “evidence” that poser was used has been a whole bunch of people saying, “wah wah, it looks like poser was used!” As far as I’ve read, and I’ve only read the thread twice, so maybe I missed it somehow, but the artist hasn’t said whether or not he used poser. So… where is this evidence that poser was used? Really, this is on par with the much loved Monty Python witch scene.