The messiah slow navigation issue

#21

star wars parody!? lol thats odd.
ok here is what i do and it works for me (worked for wegg the second time, so i dunno)

  1. [color=DeepSkyBlue]click on the download now button.
  2. you will then have to choose a server from the list
  3. then wait for the hyperlink text saying, “click here to download” or something like that
  4. then click on it and wait for a few secs and it should start.

I have no idea whay you’d get a star wars parody, was it funny at least :smiley:
if the starwars thing keeps up let me know and i’ll upload it somewhere different.
[color=Red][Edit] what the hell i’ll do it anyway :wink: try this [Edit/]

now, onto you wegg lol :twisted:

Picture if you will, a finly tuned washing machine, it washes dishes well, and it has always been reliable. its a little slow but thats ok, cause you love it.
now you’re neihbour, he has a different washing machine, his is faster and you wonder how it can possibly do as good a job and so you dismiss him…
then one day you have a large dinner party full of clients, and you’re runnig out of dishes, you try to make the machine wash faster but its cycle is just so slow, and the clients are getting angry and the bills are piling up and the neihbor’s laughing at you and his dog peed on your couch :argh:
um…wait…lets try that again
[color=Orange]OK seriously though, i have to disagree with you here, i think you will find that the most if not all the users or max, maya, xsi and silo users have no troubles controlling their scene and getting the right angles etc…
the speeds which i show in the video are [color=Red]NOT [size=2][color=Orange]the speeds at which i would ever handle goemetry or a scene. they are that fast because when draging my pen accross the wacom from one side to another, the motion of the pen is translated into a zillion rotations, the point being you’d never really scrub your pen like that, ever.
It does however show that the distance on pen to distance on screen in all other apps is much less than in messiah. i’m all for control but i can have my stuff going a bit faster than a snail and still maintain my grip on it :wink: sure messiah can give you that one perfect angle, its just that in any other app you can get your model in that perfect position a lot faster. and that really is the key.

[color=DeepSkyBlue]not sure if its only wacom users, but i’d be good to hear back on who uses this soft with a wacom and if they get the problem. i think George said he gets the same symptoms in the demo and i think he mouses. i know my mouse doesn’t go any faster, it is a bit of a mystery…i hope pmG can sort it out though, i think a slider that makes the speed in the viewport increase from within the soft would be a good idea imho.

thanks [/color][/color][/size][/color][/color][/color][/color]DMack i’m glad i’m not just ranting to myself here :smiley:
btw my name’s Peter :wavey: whispers its right under my avatar lol :wink:

Nando and shadowfork, sorry about the weird video thing, i dont understand how that happened (damn they are on to my secret “get them to watch starwars parodies” plan) :stuck_out_tongue:

keep the feedback comming :wip:

#22

Thanks for the video Peter, this one was more helpful to me than the original one with just the screen.

It looks to me like the difference between messiah and the other apps is simply that messiah is treating the rotation as a normal pen movement, in other words, it’s matching the screen to the relative position of the pen on the pad. If you look, when you rotate the object it essentially always points at the equivalent position of the pen on the pad (as if the pen is physically manipulating it in the real world), whereas the other apps don’t do that. So it’s not that messiah’s is “accidentally” too slow, it’s that it’s doing it “right” but what it’s doing right is a different thing than the other apps are doing.

I don’t know anything about programming, either in general or specifically in regard to pens, so I don’t know if this is a quick fix or something that can be set as an option. But let me know if my analysis seems correct to you and I’ll pass the info along.

Cheers,
Fred

#23

Fred I think you need to ignore the fact that he is using a tablet because all of my tests perfectly mimic his experience just with a regular old wire mouse with no acceleration software. Its literally as simple as the other apps covering more distance with less mouse motion. Nothing else.

Oh and. . . all this would probably be much quicker to work out and less “out in the open” if you’d just pop over to IRC. #messiah3D . . . irc.freenode.net

#24

hahaha, pimping the service, i like it :cool:

Thanks fred for your feedback, i do agree with what you say, it does seem the pen’s movement is being translated strangly…or not strangly (depending on how you see it :wink: )
here are the facts that i can muster atm.

  1. wacom “pen mode” does not work properly in messiah, therefore i have to use Mouse mode, meaning the pen is acting like a mouse and the tablet is not being mapped to the screen. so it technically shouldn’t be anything on the wacom’s side

  2. I can speed up the Pen speed, by adding pen acceleration and changing the speed settings (see the wacom settings image in my previous post) so mouse accel will affect the rotation/navigation speed in messiah but makes the mouse so fast in any otehr task it is unusable.

  3. the logitech mouseware driver seems to have no effect, no matter the speed or acceleration i see no speed gain. I am guessing that it is not being “seen” by messiah.

not sure if i have tablet mode switched on or off atm, on that side note it’d be extremely useful if there was some way of telling if you had turned the feature on or off. But i will check and see if somehow that is affecting it.

#25

Sorry guys, I’ve been busy today. I’ll try to pop onto IRC some time tomorrow.

Fred

#26

Whoa! Layer01 - You have got your input set to pen - please tell me that!

I use Pen in pen mode with messiah:animate and it works mostly - just that occassionally (a few times per hour) it just freaks out and acts as if it’s popped back to ‘mouse mode’ and therefore goes horribly wrong with the pen. Aside from that…yeah, the navigation is, as we’re discussing, slow. You should be able to work in pen mode though (goto key assignments, find the pen mode and asign to a key…press that key and it wil be confirmed in the little command box (bottom of screen).

I’m not on IRC (here’s an admission - don’t even know how to ‘get on it’ or even what it looks like!! !!). So could someone let the rest know what the upshot is of what Fred says when he gets back to you - thanks.

#27

hey Dmack :slight_smile: i can’t use the pen mode in messiah as i get the most horrible control in viewport. The pan is unusable, as it seems to take the cursor jump (by jump i mean what happens when you move the pen to annother part of the tablet by lifting it up and putting it down) as movment and sends whatever selected flying. the rotation is also jumpy and it also seems to register the jump as a mouse movment and its like 2 steps forward one step back when rotating anything.

here is a vid showing what pen mode looks like, 440-ish kb. get it here

Dmack: these links might be of use (you should pop online if you can)
http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/tutorials.html
IRC clients
http://www.mirc.com/get.html
http://www.xchat.org/
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Easy_IRC/943019897/1

NEWS FLASH!

Mhen on IRC has come up with a partial solution to the slow viewport speed!!
seems that if you use logitech drivers you have to update your drivers so you get an extra option called [color=Orange]disable acceleration in games and checking this has a significant effect on the performance in messiah, check it out. Driver can be found here
But this only helps tablet users if they use mouse mode, pen mode is still just as slow, and gives (me at least) the problems i posted above.
see the improvment[/color]here

Hope some of this info helps you guys at pmG to solve this problem once and for all, i still think the nav speed could be faster but Mhen’s solution helps enormously :thumbsup:
But a slider within messiah to speed up navigation would be a great idea and would make everyone happy, also the issues with pen mode needs to be fixed to.

#28

Hi Layer01,

Thanks for the info, I’ll have a look through that. With regardes the pen mode - have you tried (I know this sounds strange) maximising messiah? I tend to find that when it goes loopy on my, I have to switch to another app and then switch back…makes me think that certain devices in messiah makes the pen mode switch off…Worth a try - pen mode is soooo much nicer than mouse mode…

#29

would you say that when your pen acts strange it looks like the symptoms i am getting?
i’ll try your suggestion and see if it helps.
do you find the mouseware fix helps you? i’d be curious to see if someone without a logitech mouse who installed the mouseware would get the speed boost. i do know that the mouseware will work with none logitech mice.

#30

Hi Peter,

No, for me it works fine (other than the slow navigation) but occassionally goes wild - exactly as if the mode has popped back to mouse so actions are wildly exaggerated.

Regards the mousware etc - I am mid production and so am unable to install sw ‘just in case’ - it’s just not worth it for me - my timetables are tight enough without potential self inflicted issues! :wink:

I hope we’re going to get some action on all this!

#31

thats really odd isnt it :shrug:
i get the crazy motion when i have pen mode on and “tablet input” inactive in messiah, but i get the weird jerky motion when tablet mode is on and pen is on. verrryyy strange.
so i guess for now i will stick to mouse mode in my wacom, seeing as that works.
But if you could pass all this on fred to the coders maybe they can make some sense of it all.
thanks

#32

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