also buying a windows free laptop is a huge pain in the ass any way.
That old Mac vs Windows Debate
Maybe you guys should read this 
:
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Linux-so-unfriendly
Also this (the answer by āDavid Pearsonā talks about the issue of privacy):
https://www.quora.com/Which-one-is-better-Linux-or-Windows
ThreeDDude
#15
We do not actually create CG/VFX on the desktops of our operating systems.
We create and produce within our installed 3DCC programs.
for most of us that means having pipeline built around certain specific software applications
thus we need an underlying OS that supports those applications
The OP has already named specific applications he uses, that are not available for Linuxā¦period
No amount of links to Linux Fanboi articles will change this reality
for the OP.
badbilly
#16
Thank you!
As you said, Linux is NOT and option. I find Linux users really like to sell you to come over, and while I understand the appeal, its just not an option, which I thought was reasonably obvious.
The decision has been made - Mac is a unfortunately a sinking ship and the answer (for this year anyway) is Windows. That said, now I am in a candy store of options and am trying to find the right choice. I know roughly what I want, but to get it all together in a package is taking a little hunt.
(i9, RTX, 64GB (or at least 32gb) ram, and in a reputable brand.
Yes, I am aware of that - Linux is used widely in Hollywood, you knowā¦?
Anyway, Iāll gracefully bow out of the conversation now, just after leaving these 2 links here in case anybodyās interested, and rest assured that these are not āfanboi linksā in any way:
sentry66
#19
I would never recommend linux to a single user for 3D animation unless they were a total linux geek to begin with. Thereās some very good reasons itās used in large studios and render farms where thereās enough staff and expertise to support it. Despite how much easier linux is today, without linux expertise or experience, a person will still likely spend some time digging through the internet trying to figure out how to install or troubleshoot an obscure driver at some point.
For a single user, productivity is most important. IMO macs are fine, but there are concerns. The lack of hardware options, the all-in-one design nature of imacs that risk taking your entire setup down if a single part fails, the potential for the mac market fracturing with ARM CPUās soon, Apple slowly de-prioritizing the mac platform in favor of iOS, and the smaller amount of software options is what gives me great pause in recommending macs for CG work.
Windows 10 has some mild learning curves too. I often see mac users nervous about switching to Windows. Eventually they come to the conclusion it wasnāt such a big deal to switch after all and that the experience is close enough to a mac to not mind which one they use.
YES, this is probably true! (Hey I popped back in ). Just saying, forums such as THESE, exist:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/
which have entire sub-forums for āNewbieā, āHardwareā and āInstallationā. Just saying
sacboi
#22
@BadBilly to be honest for my money, an optimal thermal solution should be a primary consideration, especially when the cost of these high end portable form factorās are also taken into account and design aesthetics aside, thereās obviously something to be said for a bulkier chassis as opposed too āwafer thinā that IMO seems to be a trend at the moment.
vayne00
#23
The individuals I Mac only for Office workers, also if you want to just get to work just might entertain then use Windows as I am, because I regularly download the game and play the game at apknite. My life will become boring if there are games entertainment
georgie3d
#24
Donāt buy any laptop - the screen panels of many are often crap - before you read its review here:
badbilly
#25
Thanks. Notebookcheck has been a huge deciding factor on my final decision, as were a lot of reviews on sites, and youtube reviews.
It was a close call between the Gigabyte Aero, (the new) MSI P65 or P75 Creator, or the Alienware 17M.
In the end I went with the Alienware 17M: 32gb ram, i9, RTX2080 8gb graphics, plenty of storage but most importantly, beautiful 4k 100% sRGB - important for content creation. A huge reason I went with Dell is for their great support and warranty.
Thanks to all that helped me decide! In the end I got something 2x as powerful as the latest maxed out macbook pro, (and then some), and came out a little cheaper.
Imhotep397
#27
If you value your peace of mind I would suggest staying with the Mac.
Under heavy use Windows machines are generally just a gargantuan pain in the ass despite there compatibility usefulness in various situations. Therefore I only spot use Windows where I have no alternative. Most software these days is available for both OSā any efficiency concerns most likely will be resolved in future iterations of the software.
Certainly CUDA is useful in rendering/previewing, but I just havenāt seen it as useful enough to accept all the other long term system stability issues and generally more intuitive UX like keyboard shortcuts etc. with the Mac OS. All these masochists just want you existing in the same hell as they are.
(Truth be told you can excel with either platform it just comes down to where youāre most comfortable, as you probably already know.)
There are some developments that may also make the Mac the better performance choice, but you have to wait until June to really see what itās gonna be.
With Apple reformulating their āProā line of hardware and particularly the desktop along with the OS, so it would behoove you to wait until after WWDC to make a choice. It wouldnāt surprise me at all if they showed up with a new āProā line of Macbooks considering the reformulation process, if rumors are to be believed. Aside from that despite high heat concerns the latest MacBooks were performing betting then equivalent Windows laptops, which had biased reviewers like Linus and Austin Evans (mostly Linus) whining about excessive heat when they really were expecting to see much lower performance numbers.
AMD seems to making substantial progress in their fabrication of CPUs and GPUs. Outside of ray tracing specific tasks Nvidia RTX donāt really seem to push forward that far beyond the GTX 1080ti line. Also, it seems that after 3 years Vulkan development is seeing more adoption, the Vega64 graphics benchmarks using Vulkan are quite favorable compared to Nvidiaās newest GPU offerings and being the open standard itās going to be more preferable then a closed standard to a lot of developers. Apple has a close relationship with AMD where it concerns GPUs so the next gen Macs will likely benefit greatly from AMDs advancements. Hopefully Apple will adopt some AMD CPUs to mix in with their Intel CPUs while leaving the ARM rumors in the dust.
Even though I donāt immediately disqualify ARM as a potential desktop solution for creatives like some people do I highly doubt Apple would be able to reasonably produce such processors with compatibility compromises for non-mobile āProā devices at a price many people would accept.
ThreeDDude
#28
My pipeline is heavily dependant upon Reallusion Iclone pro
for āperpetual licenseā Character motionbuilding and retargeting.
Reallusion has stated flatly there will be no mac OS version.
I still keep an Old win 7 tower on āLife Supportā to run the extemely powerful
( discontinued)Endorphin Ragdoll physics software that has No modern day equivalent
outside of fiddling with Game engines (which I hate for Filmmaking.)
Not having access to the tools I need on My OS Destroys my "Piece of mind"
Apple has become bigger than the mighty pseudo sovereign entity
Exxon mobile, by ignoring the Pro 3DCC hardware market.
IMHO waiting year after year for Apple to pull a ācrazy Ivanā
and change course is a fools gambit.
Imhotep397
#29
Virtually nothing you posted here contradicts anything I posted.
Itās down to a matter of preference with most machines and spot using older Windows machines for specific tasks. To each their own.
I also have an old Windows 7 tower running and old copy of Faceshift. Since Apple bought that software company and they are still using the software it would be great if it transitioned back to a pro app, but Iām not holding my breath. As far as your copy of Endorphin, I remember that app well and it was awesome in itās time, however Iām pretty sure you could do all of that and more in Houdini, which runs like a top on OSX on the Mac Pro and iMac Pro mind you.
Itās all a matter of your perspective.
ThreeDDude
#30
Indeed ,and it would seem the the OP of this thread has already decided to join the rest of the pro CG world and bought a PC so all is well.
strangerthings
#32
I use Macās exclusively. I have made about 20 TV ads in the past 4 years. Made a butt load of cash and love the fact I donāt have to waste a single second of my life fixing driver problems. OS install screw ups. Windows complete lack of designer friendly features ( basic thumbnails images ) or even a cohesive UI but do I give a damn that other people use it. Nope.
You could have a 48 core quad 2080tiā¦ Doenāt mean anything if you donāt have the work, skill or talent does it and isnāt going to beat a renderfarm is it?
Mac Vs PC is literally the most childish idiotic thing since people whose argue about which Mobile phone is better.
badbilly
#33
When someone, such as a freelancer with a set budget, yes it does. I have also created mulitple TV ads, 3+ feature length movies and tonnes of online videos, apps, websites, and more recently, games - and up until 2 weeks ago all on Mac.
Having now switched, I realise that the question, PC vs Mac, for someone looking to switch is more important now then ever. Mac is losing its creative edge (unless you spend 12k plus on a Mac Pro) - but for someone like me who needs mobility, I get more power out of my new Windows Laptop than I can get out of a mid-range IMac Pro, and thats BEFORE Nvidia just annouced their studio partnership with major brands. 64gb ram, 8 core i9, RTX5000 16gb graphics in a laptop - lets see apple try that when they refuse to work with Nvidia and some other leading brands.
Also, I was scared of swapping OS - and for a week I hated it. Now, I quite like it. Your mention of basic thumbnail images is invalid. Windows has come a LOOOOONG way, and now its great - some features I prefer over mac , especially 3 finger swipe up gesture to view recently opened projects/ files - this is a real time saver. It even has 2 finger tap for right click - making the transition from Mac quick and easy.
A LOT of creators are jumping ship from mac. A LOT - its unfortunate but its how it is.