Story Solutions.


#281

Hi gchamber,

how about telling your story in a collection of acts and excerpts, all
involving the interaction your character has with the mirror?
Since you’re trying to stay away from the animation but are great
with modeling, lighting, and rendering, try changing from scene
to scene and the passage of time through tone and mood.

Also experiment with moving images like merging from one still to
another while maintaining the motion of the characters. Keeping
it a little blurry, phase from one facial expression to the next
and switch between the characters, it’ll add to the psychological
aspect as well. Another thing to do is complement the visual with
your audio, like the audience can see the lips move but the words
overlap and echo between the shifting of the two characters.

Does that sound like something you’re looking for?

ThinkStory


#282

hey thanks alot for the advice. It definetly gives me a few more ideas and possible directions to take. Thanks for the input.


#283

hi thinkstory,

that’s almost the same idea inside my head and thanks for confirming. :smiley: My idea is to have the girl a moment of silence where she can reflect herself, what her decisions will be. then ill put up a flashback scene where she and her mom talking one night @ bed when she was still little kid. Her mom talks about the rapture and accepting the savior before she dies to reach the heavens. then that moment (flashback) gave a strong impact wit her decision to make. how does it sound?

im just afraid of not coming up wit a good dialogue. its my weakness. i know good dialogues can really make a scene effective. :frowning:

anyway thanks thinkstory for your time. really appreciate it :smiley:


#284

Thinkstory:

I think what you’re doing here is great. If you have the time, I’d really like to see if you can help me with mine as well.

It’s the story of a sky fisherman, who has lost his way and meaning in life. He fishes day after day, just making the catch to make the money. He’s become an angry old man, and there is no joy in his life anymore.
One day while bringing up his latest catch, a golden fish cuts his line. He’s angry, but seeing such a rare fish he’s filled with greed and sets off to catch that particular fish. The fish takes the bait… but is too strong for him, and pulls him through the vast sea of clouds. He’s holding on for dear life, but is more determined than ever to catch the fish. In the chase, the wind blows off his hat, and we see that he’s become younger, and is having fun. He’s forgotten the reason he became a fisherman, for the love of the game and the chase itself.

The story ends with the fisherman catching the fish and deciding to return it to the “sea”, in hopes of trying to catch it again one day.

My problem is that I’m trying to find a way for the conflict to come to an end. My thesis has to be a linear narrative, so I need a conflict and a resolution. But I can’t for the life of me figure out what will bring the chase to a stop in a climactic way. And should he catch the fish? Would it be better that he doesn’t catch the fish, but is happy anyway?

Any advice at all on this would be most helpful and appreciated. Thank you so much.

/story is copyright Cara Antonelli 2006 (obligatory)


#285

woooooow

thinkstory
thanks a lot for takin the time to write all of that to help us all
am really learnin from ur expertise…am about to finish all of the posts…wooow
i think u applyin ur profession like that is givin me lots and lots to think about…
rather than reading a book with a one perspective at writing stories
ever thought of writing a book???
thanks again


#286

Hi Think Story
Thanks a lot for the ideas shared…really helped a lot.
this is how mine one goes

There’s a guy, 3 yrs old whose parents are working and is imotionally deprived…he stays at home most of the times and only time out is at the playgroup school for one hour and some time in the evening…well, this part is well knitted…
There’s a construction site near his home and he sees a truck coming everyday to the site to dump some material.now this guy thinks that this truck is kinda playing with him, dancing for him and starts taking that truck as his freind as he’s regular. doses what he likes and never complains.
Now this guy wants to go out with this truck to see the world aroound and one fine day he gets a chance…they both set out on a journey where they face some situations which brings them more closer and makes the little guy more mature and understanding which makes him come back to his family.
Now this is the loose part and i’m looking for some suggestions onto how those situations can be knitted together so that it holds that imotional punch witha lot of excitement as well.
and onto the end part as well…what do u think how it could end!!
Hope i was able to convey it properly…

Brgds

Sandy


#287

Hey ThinkStory, isn’t it time for a little mini-biography of you? It’s really impressive to see you invest all this time helping others with their stories. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

  • Jonas

#288

For inspiration, here is a description of an SAS commercial from some years back. It’s a good example of telling a story in a minimum of time.

[ol]
[li]An enthusiastic kid runs down the aisle of a commercial airliner, finds his seat and looks out the window.[/li]
(he’s flying without parents)
[li]A man taps him on the shoulder, shows his ticket, tells him to move over. He has the window seat. The kid moves, disappointed.[/li][li]In-flight. The man is reading, not even looking out the window, while the kid is trying to get a look out the window, at the clouds passing by. The man is clearly annoyed with the kid, and won’t let him look.[/li][li]The man turns down the shades for the window, and goes to sleep. Ultimate disappointment for the kid, not there’s nothing to see at all, and the man isn’t even using the window himself.[/li][li]Later - the man wakes up, the kid is gone. The man has had a beverage, and he needs to go to the bathroom.[/li][li]The man arrives at the end of the queue to the toilet - lots of impatient people waiting in line.[/li][li]In the bathroom, the kid is sitting on the toilet, happy, looking out the bathroom window, in no hurry at all.[/li][li]The commercial closes with the information that new SAS flights have windows in the bathroom, too.[/li][/ol]Analyzing it, I think these are the building blocks it boils down to:

[ol]
[li]A wants “GOAL”[/li][li]B prevents A from getting “GOAL”[/li][li]A finds another way to get “GOAL”, a way which is a much bigger problem to B than if B had given A “GOAL” in the first place.[/li][/ol]Which I guess is a typical Tom & Jerry/Road Runner/Tex Avery scenario, they just drag the middle part to any number of minutes, filled with gags that show A and B struggling:
[ol]
[li]mouse wants cheese[/li][li]cats prevents mouse from getting cheese (and wants to eat mouse, too)[/li][li]we follow their battle around the house (act II)[/li][li]cat ends up getting caught/damaged in his own traps[/li][li]mouse gets chesse, mamma comes home and blames cat for mess[/li][/ol]Some things to observe in the SAS commercial:
[ul]
[li]Zero time for introductions, backstory or deep characters. Characters are shallow and symbolic, because we need to read them instantly. So they pick stereotypes that we know from everyday life:[/li]

  • The enthusiastic kid who wants to sit at the window is easy to understand, because we’ve all been there (hell, even as a grown man, I still want the window seat to look at the cool clouds)

  • The annoying man is any annoying person on the bus, plane or in the movie theatre. Somebody who won’t move over, because he has “the right” to the seat, even if he’s not using it, or whatever.

Of course you can’t use these types if you’re doing fantasy or SF, but then you can draw from clichés, and make monsters, knights and kind- or mean-looking wizards, they’ll read instantly, too.
[li]While the kid is definitely the protagonist, and the man is the antagonist, the man is actually the one who learns something, not the kid: He was punished by his own ego - if he’d just given the kid the window seat in the first place, he wouldn’t have been blocked from using the bathroom.[/li]
The morale that hits the villain is “what goes around, comes around”. “You get what you deserve”. “Be to others as you want them to be to you”. “Bad guys always get their comeuppance”… or something like that.
[li]The final twist: the kid’s solution to the problem is perfect, because:[/li]

  • it gives him what he wants (A gets GOAL)

  • it teaches the bad guy a lesson (B gets punished for not giving GOAL to A)

  • we didn’t see it coming (we didn’t know how A was going to get GOAL)

BUT, the “didn’t see it coming” part is tricky here. In a normal story, you can NOT pull the solution to the problem out of the blue, that’s a cop-out, anyone can write that, and the story falls flat. The only reason it works here, is that the very purpose of the commercial is to tell us something we didn’t already know - that the new planes have windows in the toilets. In a stand-alone story you’d need to set it up (which is difficult, because you only have 20 seconds, so no time to set up something subtle that you want the audience to forget about before the ending), or otherwise connect the solution to something that makes sense.
[/ul]There. Hope somebody can use this for something. Feel free to add to the analysis.

Cheers,

  • Jonas

#289

Hey guys,

Im currently doing my final year project and I greatly need your thoughts about my story.
Currently we have a team of 5 people and we are given 10 weeks to work on a short animated clip. About 1min to 1min 30secs. Here are the details of the story we thought of.

This short clip is about a pufferfish and a boy.
A boy brought a pufferfish home and places it into his tank. He was very curious as he did not know what a pufferfish can really do. So he places his face and hands on the glass tank. That frightened the fish as the image of the boy looked distorted to it, thus creating the frightening look. The fish then starts to bloat. Then we decided to exaggerate things by making the fish bloat so big, it burst out of the tank. The boy used his toys for self-defence e.g. toy sword, balls, rc cars. Those toys did not seem to work as the fish bloated even larger. Then we’ll show the boy being squeezed out of his window. The house will break apart and the pufferfish emerges from within.

The is the concept we thought of so far. It is actually intended as a gag for the audience to enjoy and laugh at. The pace of the animation will pick up when fish starts to bloat. The fun part iwill be the interaction between the boy and the fish, how the fish actually intimidates the boys with its size. The fish’s character is one which is very easily agitated and the boy will be a cute and curious one.
We will be using lots of dynamics and playing around with the animation between the boy and the fish. We will exaggerate the might of the pufferfish e.g. spikes scraping through the walls and ceiling, windows shattering etc. However, the problem is we have not thought of a suitable ending for the clip. We just plan to make the fish do something stupid and realising that he is actually not that big.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Especially with the ending. thanx a lot guys and have a nice day.


#290

Hi Thinkstory,

I am working with a team on a concept for animation, and is in need of some useful comments and ideas. It will be a narrative poetic story, like Tim Burton’s films.

I will start the story:

There was two archeaologists, both husband and wife, and their pet, which is a pig. In search of historical artifacts, they settled down with a little house in the middle of wasteland. However, a landslide occurs and took his wife’s life, covering the whole area.

So the man ended up with a painful heart, wearing ragged clothing and walking around the wasteland searching for his wife’s remains. The pig will be sticking along with its master, with a torch on top of its head, helping to sniff for his wife’s remains. Whenever the man found a valuable, like a watch, he would threw it away.

Suddenly, the pig went up a tiny sand hill, and a thing threw by the man hit the pig, which ended up the pig rolling down into the hole, which led to his house covered by the sand. Trying to save the pig, he went into the hole and found out that his wife’s hat was struck between the hardened sand.

He felt quite delighted and went to pull the hat, but it did not budge. He continued to pull, but each action caused the sand to shake. The pig felt that trouble was coming by, and warned its master, but he ignored it.

The shake became more and more, the man took out the hat and carried his pig, throwing it out of the hole. In the end, he was buried alive.

In the ending sequence, we will show the pig digging for its master instead.


We hoped to get more ideas as we felt that the ideas were not that strong enough, thanks for the help in advance!


#291

Wow, lots of posts, let me try to cover everything
and if I missed anybody, let me know.

Arenyth - I like your idea. You’ve got the story but it’s
missing something to pull it all together. It’s a visual driven
concept so I think it would be best to throw in a piece of symbolism
to make it work. How about the sky fisherman ties a star to his
fishing rod as his bait? When we are introduced to him, the star
has lost its sparkle and dull looking. The golden fish snaps it off
which sends him off to the chase.

In the end, I don’t think he should catch the fish. The idea of
the story is that he has lost the point of the game, the thrill of
the chase, then finds it again, like athletes who strive for
something that may or may not be attainable but they try
anyway for the ride, not for the goal. So not catching the
“goal” will give continuity to the story.

As the final conflict, he should be CLOSE to catching it but
as he’s pulling it up, he pulls the bait that the fish swallowed
instead—the star. But it is no longer the star that we saw before,
it looks renewed and shimmering bright again, symbolizing how
the golden fish returned the spark that the fisherman once lost before.

sandy_maith - Hmm
for some reason, I have a hard
time conceptualizing your story. I’d like to think I have a
pretty well-rounded story schema, but I’m not quite sure
where to fit this one. Maybe I need some more information.
For starters though, perhaps the lead character is a little too
young. Physically, 3 year olds are still pretty small, kinda clumsy,
and not very agile at this point. Intellectually, they’re just
around preschool time with vocabulary spanning 200 and 300
words but they’re not really good at stringing them together so
only about 3/4 of their speech are understandable. Then again,
this is animation world so we can fuzz up things but if we go too
far out of the norm, the character might no longer look 3 years old,
so it depends on how much talking and moving around your
character needs to do. Also note that their emotional spans are
limited too.

As for the truck, is it supposed to be personified? Like does it
have human characteristics? Is it fantasy like or is it really
an inanimate object that the child “imagines” to have human
characteristics? I’m a bit stuck on the style of the story, so I
think knowing this would really help. Also, what kind of adventures
do you think they’ll be having, can you provide an example?

Infinity2208 - An oversized pufferfish, that’s cute.
So how do you end a piece like that? Let’s try giving the boy
character a little more background to wrap this up. A lesson to
be learned kind of thing. Maybe do a quick intro on how the boy
is bit of a bully in the neighborhood, you can put this in the
beginnning as he’s brining the pufferfish home.

On his way, he’s running and crushes somebody’s toy car,
maybe there’s a party and he pops his little sister’s balloon.
After he does this to the other kids he smiles back and we see
there’s something distinct from his smile like there’s a slit between
his two front teeth.

When he reaches home like you said, he dumps the fish in the tank
and frightens it. The fish expands, eventually crushing his toys
and popping his balloons with its spikes and squeezes him out of
the house. The whole place falls apart and the fish is like
rolling down the street, down the hill, with the boy running in
front of it like Indiana Jones until they reach the harbor
(I’m thinking they live by the seaport).

And this giant fish ball thing is rolling down the dock forcing
the boy to jump. They fall in the water and the pufferfish finally
contracts but surfaces to turn to the boy with a smile and we see
that the fish also has that trademark between its teeth. The boy
looks at it with surprise. Closing credits.

The whole thing is really just for the gag but giving the
characters some personality will round it out more.

And finally. finally86 - About how long is your story supposed to be?
I just want to understand how much focus will be placed on which
part of the story. Because it’s poetic, it should evoke some feeling
or idea from the audience but without the rhythm, it’s hard to
understand what that theme or idea is. Based on the outline, there’s
a list of events in the story but the connection between them is
not very clear, like the meaning to them. It’s the job of the audience
to interpret a poetic story into whichever way they see it but it’s the
job of the storytellers to know the between-the-lines stuff so there
is consistency in the message being conveyed. So, can you explain
a little about the pieces that make up the story?

Thanks, omarpac!
I’m glad the forum is helping out people who are reading it!
It’s funny that you’re suggesting me to write a book because
I’d LOVE to and was really thinking about it several weeks back.
The thing is, I’d really need to think about what to put into it so it
doesn’t go pass 1,000 pages of me just blabbering. I can’t stand
reading how-to books that goes on and on about a single topic.
So if I were to write one, I’d try to make everything as simple to
read and as straight forward as possible. I need to get the planning
done but that’s not my biggest obstacle, which would probably be
looking for a publisher. I could motivate myself to sit down to write
everything but finding the time to researching and attracting the
right publisher/distributor and legal stuff would be the tough part
for me and that’s kind of been what’s holding me back. So, I
don’t know, any suggestions?


#292

Thanks for the reply think story…

Its basically the childs own world vs real world…and the truck is a mediator…this is my own son i’m referring to…he has his own small world and there’s actually a truck whom he thinks is his freind…he’s been asking a lot of questions to this truck and me also…as to what is the material that truck dumps everyday??why thr truck is digging, whats the guy doing in the truck and the list is endless…he at times says that he wants to move out with him…at times i take him to the site and he’s the world’s happiest person to sit in the truck…he dosent wnna come out of that…gives us a hard time…i hope now u understand where i come from…
The treatment is going to be stylized only…may be something on the lines of the characters in CARS.

The truck is going to be his mentor, guide, friend as the child likes everything about him…which is not the case with anybody else around him…
This truck is a mature guy who makes him understand things beyond his this thinking with the things happening around them while on journey and brings him back happily to his family…i’m sure i was able to make this more meaningful to u …

so…may be, i’m the child and u r the truck here…hehee

Thanks a ton

Brgds

Sandy


#293

Hello ThinkStory,

I am currently in the process of devising a concept for a cinematic level film that I’d like to make for personal purpose. I would like your thoughts on this concept. In my mind id like to give most of the shots a symbolic outlook and some parts to be narrative.

Broken Heart

A king lived in the middle of the Arab lands ruling ruthlessly over his subjects. He instilled fear amongst his enemies and friends. None dared challenge his authority. But change was forthcoming.

A child was born to the ruthless king. Days passed until the child went to become a man known to be the only son of a king. One day while passing a street the son witnessed something he hadn’t witnessed before. The execution of the innocent, women, men and children being gathered up for failing to pay taxes. They were according to kings orders, to be executed and stripped of all property. The son tried to stop this charade but to no avail. They were ruthlessly executed and some acquired as slaves.

Little did the king know that his orders were to sow the seeds of decent in his own son and people. The son was perplexed to learn the extent of people’s misery. How the powerful had exploited the powerless. How corruption and nepotism had destroyed peoples lives, it also destroyed the sense of purity, honor and high esteem the son had for his father.

A change was forthcoming, a change that would touch every part of the kingdom. The only son to the king had now become the King’s worst enemy. Bent on ridding the kingdom from fathers ruthless rule. The son had assembled an army to challenge his father and all that he stood for. The father tried to reason with the son but found his overtures to be futile. Both son and father had concluded to meet in battle.

The best were assembled from both sides of the armies. The only advantage the King had was his experience of long battles and thus was successful in breaking through the ranks of his sons army. During battle the King had killed his own son. The king achieved victory in battle but lost more than what he had, His only son and heir to the throne. The king realized that even though winning the battle he had in fact lost everything.

The King brought into tears from the death of his son, afterwards was never the man he used to be. Now a lonely soul with a broken heart. Never would he go to conquer nor plunder. Never would he order the killing of the innocent. The son had succeeded in instigating a change by making the ultimate sacrifice of his own life. The only regret was that a heart had to be broken and blood spilled to make a King realize that tyranny would no longer be part of his kingdom.

The king lived a life of seclusion until his death.

Thank you in advance for your help.


#294

hello think story,
i really cant offer any help on publishing your book as i dont have any experience there…
am really embaressed to ask u for help…i think u shud really get paid for giving out such free valuable advice and takin ur time to do so…
can i post my story so u wud help me…


#295

hello think story
i need your advice
for a good animation ussually take a good software
which ones a good software to take a good animation ?
and why ?
thanks for your advice


#296

Ali, very well written, i didn’t know u are that good story teller! :slight_smile:

Message is complete, characterization is almost complete, but write it in details with other characters and treatment.

regards
Samiullah


#297

i know its been very long since you started this thread but i guess its very important to keep such threads alive. i request you to find some time out of your schedule and lets discuss some good stories here.

See you soon


#298

Buro, man, that was uncalled for.
I mean, you said it in a somewhat nice way but I thought that was kind of rude, man.
If anything, I think it DISCOURAGES people to post. “I REQUEST you FIND SOME TIME OUT of your schedule??”
Come on, somebody tell me that doesn’t sound harsh to you.
ThinkStory’s doing this for zippo reason other than just being plain nice.
This is VOLUNTEER man, and you’re like “yo, post here and give us good stories”

For what? Because you say so?
He’s done this for over a year and half and I’m NOT saying he should stop but it’s like holiday time and maybe he’s just taking some time off. And from what I know, through my PMs with him, ThinkStory works like 24/7 and is always doing SOMETHING so the fact that he’s taking time out for this forum is already like really a favor.

I don’t mean to sound negative but I don’t think he needs to be reminded that he should be reading and posting here. Look at all his posts, he answers EVERY question posted here, tries to help out, and offered a lot to people. And what do YOU (or any of us) have to offer him??

Think about THAT and THEN say, “yo, book a time on your schedule and come here to post.”


#299

Maybe the poster isn’t so fluent in English. Maybe “request” is just a Babelfish-translation of “ask”, as in “please”. :shrug:

It could just be a fair proposition with an unlucky translation.

  • Jonas

#300

jussing, yeah I agree with you.
Maybe it’s just bad translation but still, if somebody wrote that to me, I’d be a bit put off about it. Different people interpret differently so who knows what ThinkStory think when he sees it but any other person who dont know about the translation thing (assuming it’s true) would not feel too good after reading it. I know I wouldn’t, put yourself in the other person’s position, know what I mean?