STARWARS Episode2 - What a bad Movie...

#41

I love how everyone who supports this shitty movie go for the money as a final factor to its “goodness”

Well, go to movies.com and educate yourself. There are half a dozen movies that grossed huge profits that were. special effects aside (since that is what everyone loves about EP1 and 2), also quite shitty in the storyline department.

And some of these movies aren’t that far behind the mere 303million in domestic sales your uber movie made, without huge cult followings.

What does that say? That he f**ked the pooch. Cause all things begin equal EP1 and 2 should have killed at the box office here at home. Nothing but fanatics.

And who sits at the top still? Titanic? OMFG.

#42

Originally posted by Pentagramma
[B]One of the things that get me more upset with the new Star Wars is: they don´t have any star wars!

They should be called Battlefield Wars, or Pedestrian Wars, or something like that. :hmm:
In all those past years, everytime anyone refered to the “Clone Wars”, I imagined something quite more amazing that what we saw.

[/B]

Abso - friggin - lutely.

If TTT can pull off a 20 min battle sequence that didn’t once have me going, man, when is this going to end, compared to the five minutes we get with jedi’s swinging lightbeams around, I hope EP3 gets a clue.

#43

wachted it (is this the past tense of wacht?)

ok show me tha gallows pole now:p

#44

in all actuality the Clone Wars Battle sequence actually was a tad bit longer than a LOTR:TT. Its been revealed that Peter Jackson was so moved with the AOTC battle sequence he revamped Helms Deep sequence prior to its initial release.

Just the bare facts baby, nuthing but.

#45

Episode II was even worse than ST: Nemesis :slight_smile:

#46

Originally posted by macqdor
[B]in all actuality the Clone Wars Battle sequence actually was a tad bit longer than a LOTR:TT. Its been revealed that Peter Jackson was so moved with the AOTC battle sequence he revamped Helms Deep sequence prior to its initial release.

Just the bare facts baby, nuthing but. [/B]

Just timed the DVD, sitting right here, not longer than LOTR:TT sorry dude, them is the facts. From the first shot till they speed off into the dessert to have the yoda fight it comes in at 10 minutes, WITH 2 MINUTES OF NO FIGHTING.

Get out your DVD player and play from 1:50 to 2:01. Those ARE the facts.

#47

Originally posted by Valkyrien
Episode II was even worse than ST: Nemesis :slight_smile:

Ya know what, I totally agree. At least in ST:N they had some interesting story action going on, even if it was stretched thin with the acting. Damn sad, but true :slight_smile:

#48

AOTC battle sequence is indeed longer, and those are the real facts. dont know where u are counting at buddy.:bounce:

est Length 35-45 minutes. from start to finish to when Mace Windu shows up till Dooku takes off and leaves Yoda hunching over.

#49

Originally posted by macqdor
[B]AOTC battle sequence is indeed longer, and those are the real facts. dont know where u are counting at buddy.:bounce:

est Length 35-45 minutes. from start to finish to when Mace Windu shows up till Dooku takes off and leaves Yoda hunching over. [/B]

Dude, I just gave you the sequence. Not to mention I was being nice. The sequence is actually shorter. It is NOT even close to 35-45 minutes. 35 minutes prior to the yoda/dooku fight they are just getting caught (Anakin).

Please, don’t talk from hear say and think you know. I went to the tape (DVD in this case). The fact is, it is half as long as the LOTR:TT sequence, and it stands to make sense if PJ took a que from GL since his movie came after AOTC.

Again, not even close to 20 minutes, and that is with 4-5 seperate clips of NO ACTION whatsoever. Mace talking to Dooku, r2d2 and 3po yapping. Yoda yapping.

Not even close. And I don’t think I will post any more considering I am arguing with someone who has decided to say it is cause they say it is.

#50

Sir u cant cut and splice out dialogue simply because its there, th entire sequence, “war dialogue included” does count towards the actual length of the Clone War. I mean thats just basic info, people do talk and give orders when fighting, its still considered fighting.

USAToday newspaper clocked the actual Clone Wars as being 45 minutes long. When I find that article i will post it for you.

bare facts right?

#51

Originally posted by amorano
Ya know what, I totally agree. At least in ST:N they had some interesting story action going on, even if it was stretched thin with the acting. Damn sad, but true :slight_smile:

I think it was more the directing that was to blame in that department. The cast have always been great as an ensemble, but in Nemesis, the old dynamic wasn’t there anymore. And that certainly isn’t the actors’ fault, I mean they’re all the best of friends, have been for years.

#52

God, how I wish there will be more films like Bladerunner, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Gattaca, Contact, Aliens…etc.

Making sci-fi fi/fantasy films for the sake of making them sci-fi/fantasy is a weak premise to begin with.

Making a STORY that HAPPENS TO TAKE PLACE in a setting that is sci-fi/fantasy is THE RIGHT WAY to do it.

Story first. The rest are just fillers.

And Final Fantasy: TSW is bad because Sakaguchi tried too hard to “Americanize” his creation. Characters that seemed like they were ripped off from Aliens, dialogues that sound like the regurgitated sci-fi/action dialogues taken from every sci-fi/action films since Aliens, and the most fatal mistake of all–WHERE IS THE F#CKING FANTASY? Having some Gaia theory is not going to cut it. The game franchise is FAR more interesting than the stale, conservative movie. TSW killed EVERYTHING that was unique and kickass about the Japanese style that people love, both visually and content-wise.

#53

God, how I wish there will be more films like Bladerunner, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Gattaca, Contact, Aliens…etc.

I thought 2001:ASO was pretty awfull, it was tedious to watch, and I thought that it was a weak film, that was too ambiguous, and generally not entertaining.

And Final Fantasy: TSW is bad because Sakaguchi tried too hard to “Americanize” his creation. Characters that seemed like they were ripped off from Aliens, dialogues that sound like the regurgitated sci-fi/action dialogues taken from every sci-fi/action films since Aliens, and the most fatal mistake of all–WHERE IS THE F#CKING FANTASY? Having some Gaia theory is not going to cut it. The game franchise is FAR more interesting than the stale, conservative movie. TSW killed EVERYTHING that was unique and kickass about the Japanese style that people love, both visually and content-wise.

So true, because he americanized so much of it, it made the elements of the story so out of reach of the audience.

#54

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/2002/2002-05-15-star-wars-review.htm

#55

from the article:

But his fire’s not out yet: No screen fantasy-adventure in recent memory has the showmanship of Clones’ last 45 minutes

Now tell me where it says the battle is 45 minutes long? O yeah, it doesn’t. Just says showmanship. Showmanship isn’t equivalent to 45 minutes of constant battle.

Like I said, 1 hour 50 minutes to 2 hours 1 minute is the battle sequence, the rest is dialogue. LOTR:TT had constant line of action for 15 minutes, with a 1 minute break when they retreat, back into another 4 minutes of continous action.

Or did I click the wrong article?

#56

In the Voce of Yoda and Ben ESB

YODA(Sigh) I cannot teach this one, he/she has so much bias.

Ben : he/she will learn not to be biased

YODA(turns to face ) much anger in him/her, like his father
has seen LOTR to many times, does not understand that in script and sequence form AOTC: Clone War took up the last 45 minutes of the SW movie. I.E Battle of Endor in ROTJ lasted about the same time, Death Battle in SW lasted about the same time. Hmmmmm ???
Thin line between screen time and real time,

Ben: (Sigh) him or her is our last hope…

YODA: no there is another …
:bounce:

#57

Dorks.

:stuck_out_tongue: :wink:

#58

Hi,

What’s so cool nowadays in saying that Star Wars new movies are bad?
Is this some kind of fashion?
I just watched Episode II again and that is pure Star Wars, one of my favourites! Yoda is no worse than Gollum and they used lots of miniatures too, so why are people claiming they dis all CG? They didn’t!!!
There were some scenes that were not so good, but there were amazing ones too, like ALL the scenes with CG Clone Troopers!
I don’t remember seing great acting in the first movies! These are entertaining movies, they always were!

I don’t know if you’re aware of this, but you don’t have to hate Star Wars to be a Lord of the Rings fan! I loved LOTR, but there’s no possible comparision, why all this competition? The filmmakers seem to love each other’s work and they’re very cooperative, too, why shouldn’t the fans do the same?

Just my humble opinion…

bry

“Jedi business, go back to your drinks.”

#59

If you ask Michael Bay fans, they could come up with all kinds of reasons why his movies are masterpieces too.

If everyone can say why they love what they love, then how do you distinguish the people with good taste from the ones with bad taste?

Hahahahaha! I joke! I joke! :smiley:

#60

I can’t speak for anyone else, but for me personally its not that I hate episode II, or the CG or prefer it to LOTR.

Its not a question of time, episode 1 was in production for nearly 5 years, it definately not money GL and the starwars franchise have galaxies full of it.

I think that if we can spot the bits that weren’t so good, why couldn’t GL or one of the 1000+ on the production crew ?

I remember watching an interview GL gave when releasing the special edition version of 4,5 and 6 and remeber him stating how when the first did the films the effects and money just weren’t available for his full vision to be released. He then went on to say that he felt the special edition represented 95% of what he wanted to do.

Maybe they will put out a version of 1,2 and 3 15 years after they’re completed with all of the ‘so so’ shots fixed.
:wink:

At the end of the day I guess I just expect more from the one person and one with the resources to put out a film with no sfx flaws.

Vertex (p.s. I still purchased all the DVD’s :bounce: )