STARWARS Episode2 - What a bad Movie...

#21

Originally posted by Gentle Fury
[B]If you think about it…no matter how crappy the new sequels are…they are awesome R&D for future projects!!! Go as far and overproduced as possible on these movies…then you can use the tech that was so crammed into them sparingly in future endevours!

These movies are basically his way of playing with everything he has wanted to play with and use his bad ass crew that he has had for all these years to expediate technology. [/B]

AAAAAAAAA!
Yes I think that may be true. But why did he have to do it with star wars?!?!? I mean, I know that would be a good opportunity (probably the best), but for decency’s sake!

throws hands up in disgust and walks away from desk

:cry:

Well I guess if that is the case, I hope ILM’s future endevors are really something to write home about. 'cause they shot their best horse in the name of R&D.

adam

#22

I actually like the stories in EPI and II. I think George still has it in terms of setting up what happens to event A which causes event B. The major problem is how the story was executed by the crappy dialogue. I think a new writer was brought in for EPII and that guy should be partly blamed.

Final Fantasy was great, but its story was something you’d see in a sci-fi anime… And we all know anime’s aren’t that big in US theaters. They should have stuck with the formula common to the majority of FF’s games… Big swords, wonderful machines, and wicked magic creatures. It would have been cool if it was Lord of the Rings mixed with StarWars. This would have appealed more to the audience and thus forming a fanbase. Then they could have release this current Final Fantasy movie as a sequel (since each installment in the Final Fantasy series has practically nothing to do with each other with the exception of various themes).

#23

I enjoyed both Episode I and II :slight_smile:
Yeah, the dialogue wasn’t great, and sure the films were nothing more than an excuse to put over the top VFX on screen - but hey, it’s Star Wars! :smiley:

#24

That all may be true, I see your point(s) Gentle Fury. However, can’t an artist do extensive R & D while making a great movie? Take Lord of the Rings – Fellowship and Two Towers – for examples and even STAR WARS A New Hope for another. A New Hope pushed limits, brought back old tools and re-envisioned them but it was still a good story with good characters. Just because he’s taking this opportunity to play with his toys doesn’t mean he has to make a bad movie.

#25

Originally posted by Tiburon3D
That all may be true, I see your point(s) Gentle Fury. However, can’t an artist do extensive R & D while making a great movie? Take Lord of the Rings – Fellowship and Two Towers – for examples and even STAR WARS A New Hope for another.

Apples and Oranges. LOTR, TTT, ROTK, Silmarillion, TH, all are great works of their own right, written not with a movie in mind.

Lucas had nothing to work from. So, yes, to some degree, he is pushing the limits of future R&D to make money.

Someone mentioned that they are good just because they are Star Wars. Not. Society uses that mechanism on things typically of their generational creation to keep them alive. This is myopic thinking. All things pass, as time is the great equalizer.

What you see as star wars material of the 2000’s the next few generations, most anyway, will probablly grow up and say, what a turd.

#26

iceage is a cool movie, even though the cg is not “perfect” (but it doesnt matter anyway, since it is more cartoonish). the story is nice, the animation & characters are funny…

and if george says he only needs the technology to tell a story then his stories are really bad.

does anybody know when the old sw-movies will be released on dvd?

#27

IF you want to see a ‘prequel’ to starwars and with decent writing and directing, go rent “The Hidden Fortress” by Akira Kurosawa. That is an amazing movie and feels very “star wars”-like as it was a lot of inspiration for Lucas when he was making/writing the 1st SW movies.

Mike

#28

See thats what I mean, Final Fantasy was a great CG event, they spent a fortune in production ($6 million on aki’s hair) and then flopped at the box office failing to recover costs, because they too forgot about the importance of story and target audience.

Final Fantasy was utter let down. I hope losing all that money taught them a lesson. Paying 5 million for hair alone. What dumb butts they were. And the movie looked to real. When you think of FF part of it is the anime type characters.

I think that people would have rather seen the anime type characters, especially the general audience. People like 3d movies. MOst of the 3d movies ever made do very well in theatres.

Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Bugs Life, Shrek, Ice Age, Antz. They all did pretty well at the box office. All have one thing in common. Cartoony like characters. IN fact Antz didn’t do so well as the others. I’m sure alot had to do with the dark, slight realism in the textures.

General audience see 3d as cartoons, and how many serious looking cartoons do well? Not many. Thats what people want to see. I would have loved to see FF in that light.

What was missing too was the heart of the FF story. No swords, cool monsters. It was a sci fi movie, no hint of Fantasy. Thats kinda the point Final Fantasy!!

They spent to much time making it look so real and that realisim I think cost them. Then take out a good story and bleh, crap for a movie. Dude they didn’t even have one freakin Chicobo. Whats FF without a Chicobo.

Well good ridance. I hope they learned their lesson. Boo to them for making a bad movie.

As far as Star Wars. Same thing. He just through in a perfect looking world that looks fake. NO warmth, just cold, cold pixels.

The action is good, but it feels like a cartoon more than a movie.

#29

This Star Wars Fan film is bettter than the real movie!!!

#30

Originally posted by Flog
[B]http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_info/0,3699,489408,00.html?ad_ref=top_twenty_shorts_online&cch=

This Star Wars Fan film is bettter than the real movie!!! [/B]

roofles :thumbsup:

#31

OMG!
“The American Jedi” is SO much better than Ep.1 and 2 combined it hirts!

“- Call me Yoda! What´s my name?”

#32

Originally posted by Leigh
I enjoyed both Episode I and II :slight_smile:
Yeah, the dialogue wasn’t great, and sure the films were nothing more than an excuse to put over the top VFX on screen - but hey, it’s Star Wars! :smiley:

Absolutly right ! I went to the theatre to be entertained and I was --> the movie reach its goals :slight_smile:

Hey, it’s me, uh Star Wars ! :thumbsup:
I like you Leigh ! :wink:

#33

Ouch!!
I Just borrowed the Dvd few second ago!!! i wanted to spend some good time with my mom wachting it…anyway i have also Amadeus from Milos Forman
one of my Fav Movie

#34

I thought it was a good movie, much better than EP1 and even gasp LOTR1…

Though the cleanlieness and the sonic the hedge hog yoda was kinda weird. :confused:

#35

The thing that bothers me the most about the new Star Wars movies is that they have no drive. In the first (EP4,5,6) three there was a point to everything, and the characters had a cause. All three movies were about the rebel alliance fighting against the empire and Luke, Lea, and Han (and Chewie) being in the middle of it. The bad guys were there in each movie, and actually had screen time and developed characters.
In the new movies, everyone mills around trying to tie loose ends from the other movies, speaking poor filler diologue, and then getting attacked once in a while by bad guys and armies of said bad guys. I understand that these movies have to tell the story of how Anakin became Darth Vader, but to me, the whole thing just comes out muddled and poorly acted. It’s as if the amount of story they’ve put in the two new movies is only a fraction of the story in one of the original Star Wars movies. :shrug:

I don’t know if that made much sense… Anyway, hopefully Episode 3 will be better.
P.S. I did like Episode 2 much better than episode one, but it still wasn’t up to par in my oppinion.

#36

I MUST ADMIT, that with the beginning of the watto-scene (which i think is great with the flies), ep2 begun to start well. & with the appearing of cp3o (which is the most familiar character to me when i think of sw. yoda would be too, if FOR GODS SAKE HE WOULDNT BE ANIMATED LIKE A STUPID CRAZY JUMPING KUNGFU-KANGHAROO. how the hell can he be so fit? and why are the jedi’s so strong with their kinetic powers, but in the first sw-movies skywalker had so much pain to get his force up to move his shuttle)
…when they were more outside, in a more natural environment, desert, and so on.
but you can really throw away the beginning, the jedi-tower-dialogues, the alien-clone-hall-dialogues, that’s so sterile & too much of cg.
sw is much better when they’re outside, desert-like environments, more natural buildings (i love the jabba-club in the first sw-movies) and more decent cg.

i hope that mark hamliton will act in ep3, lol.

#37

you have summoned the Belrog and now I must respond:

Seems like CGTalk is a place to bash Star Wars. So I must offer some tidbits.

theres been a huge misconception that these new SW’s movies look newer and far more advanced than the prev films. Nuthing could be further from the truth, but one does not see that unless they read the book series. Yes it looks newer and cleaner, that cuz its 2002 peoples not 1977,1981, or 1985. ILM is much more stronger today and back then where was Maya, Max, and Softimage when SW was being made. They where lucky to barely have photoshop in its pre-dawn stage.

Now in regards to ships, and robots. Many look the same and through a 30+ year spance in the Universe chronological order in regards to technology theres not going to be huge major difference. Also GL tweaked all his SW in the 90’s for that very reason to give bring up to speed in comparison to his new movies.

In SW A New Hope the M.falcon ship looked like a heep of rubble, and IN AOTC for the cameo appearance they looked sleek and brand new. Also in SW all the X-Wings looked all tarnished and burnt, thats with good reason they was fighting a major war with the Republic, the 1st major war in the Republic for over a 1000 yrs, so of course ships look new. LOL

Did Anakin mechanical arm look more advanced than Lukes mechanical hand? No !!

Say what u want the Special Effects in Esp 1 and 2 are ground breaking and the digital quality so awesome even Spielberg was impressed, but yet still nervous. Never the less he has decided to film Indianna Jones Esp 4 in digital format. Guess Harrison Ford will look younger in Part 4 too now huh?

And why did GL place so much cgi in both new SW’s movies? Seems like every other scene is CGI. Well unlike other movie Directors Jackson, Spielberg, makers of Matrix and other CGI films GL is also owner of Lucas Arts, ILM and former owner of THX. So of course he’s formed a vast empire(no pun entended) in regards to SW and other movies that ILM basically does. SW however is his business card to the movie Industry. Say what u will ILM is and has been for some time the Premiere Special Effects movie house.

Sort of the trend setter if u will. After Jar Jar came Gollium. Before Jar Jar came ET and MIB aliens. After Gollium comes HULK. After HULK comes who knows. LOL

Now they say SW dialogue is stale and sterile. Thats always been the case with SW movies. Keep in mind for those who had the luxury to see SW for the 1st time in 1977. Critics and peeps all over blasted it, in regards to dialogue and acting.

But fans loved it and they loved not cuz of its dialogue but because it took them to a far away place.

Now in 2003/2003 the impact is differant. We have Middle Earth, and other movies that take us to a far far away place so the shock effect has been lowered. Thats why Matrix was so successful it took us further and deeper into “no mans land in regards to imagination.”

In the end not much effort is required to enjoy Star Wars if one takes them as for what they are exciting entertainment. There not meant to engagge you like LOTR does. That never was GL true motive. We can only fault him for being a business man, and Hollywood has always been 90% business thats just the way the cookie crumbles.

I enjoyed both films Esp 1 and Esp 2 and can’t wait for Esp 3. The making of DVD for Star Wars Attack of the Clones was trully out of this world in regards to depth.

Great Job ILM

SW started it all.

#38

Originally posted by macqdor
[B]And why did GL place so much cgi in both new SW’s movies? Seems like every other scene is CGI. Well unlike other movie Directors Jackson, Spielberg, makers of Matrix and other CGI films GL is also owner of Lucas Arts, ILM and former owner of THX. So of course he’s formed a vast empire

SW started it all. [/B]

NOT.

SWarfs didn’t start it all. There was plenty in Hollywood beforehand that was both majestic and “empireish” before its release. What it did start was a cult following unlike anything hollywood had seen to that point. Thus the word “blockbuster”.

I take it from that long tirade you know GL personally to have put so many comments about why he did things a certain way.

Sadly, if that is not the case, half of what you said doesn’t matter because in the end it is what people perceive, not what was intended.

EDIT: Forgot this part…

There not meant to engagge you like LOTR does. That never was GL true motive.

WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

He didn’t want to make a movie that was engaging ? ROFLMAO !!

Again, say hi to GL when u see him next, knowing his personal motives and all.

#39

I find your lack of faith disturbing, much more to this GL than meets the eye. In the end AOTC did gross $313+ gross in the US alone, if that’s any indication of a bad movie, someone notify the President.

#40

One of the things that get me more upset with the new Star Wars is: they don´t have any star wars!

They should be called Battlefield Wars, or Pedestrian Wars, or something like that. :hmm:
In all those past years, everytime anyone refered to the “Clone Wars”, I imagined something quite more amazing that what we saw.

Also, IMHO, the new SW films lost something really important: clear plots. In the old films, it was always a clear situation. Everytime something happenned, you knew why. Of course, SW always was episodic: lots of great scenes glued to each other. But we always were heading somewhere!

Now, we have things like Obi Wan touring the secret Clone Factory for, it seems, ages. And that picnic scene!!! What a hell was that??

Episode III ? I got a bad feeling abouth this. :wink: