STARWARS Episode2 - What a bad Movie...

#118

Although there is some flat acting…‘Attack of the Clones’ was a vast improvement over ‘Phantom Menace’.
It’s my personal favourite for the beginning shot of the sentorial Craft - it looks just like the main baddie from ‘19XX - The War Against Destiny’.
It also sparked my lust for making my own films!
I would rather watch Ep2 than the original films…um, although I’m not sure about ‘Empire Strikes Back’! That was my personal favourite before Ep2…

#119

You know there´s more to movies than eyecandy, don´t you?

That´s why we call them “movies” instead of “commercials”.

#120

Some folks are talking as if the original SW films were masterpieces. I don’t think they were very good. And they weren’t even Sci-Fi films, they were westerns with different costumes. Poor westerns.

That’s why the new ones are so vacuous and incoherent : the originals never had enough mileage to be stretched so thin.

Lucas has lost the plot and there was never much plot to lose in the first place.

#121

Just FYI:
Check out today’s (Jan 16) issue of USA Today’s Life section.
Title: Fantasy Wars
“‘Rings’ trilogy is outdueling ‘Star Wars’ as lord of the epics”
Some interesting points.
They show the main characters side by side with their counterparts from the other movie:
Viggo Mortensen - Harrison Ford (2 men who does not want to embrace their destiny but they do later to help the cause)
Liv Tyler - Carrie Fisher (elf ears on ears and hair buns on ears)
Christopher Lee - Christopher Lee (yeah, he’s so bad a** that he can be in both trilogies - LOL!)
Elijah Wood - Hayden Christensen (both trying to resist turning to the dark ways)

You can get USA Today at any news stand.

#122

I haven’t read quite every post on this thread but I add a couple of opinions:

  1. the tech doesn’t look the same - natural Han solos gun was real old gun with some plastics added and darth vaders console was a box with 3 leds. So it is understandable that it looks more advanced now. Wire frame animation was high tech in 70’s but no more…

  2. The love scenes were horrifying - absolutely

  3. I have it when everything has to be explained and no thinking is left to the viewer. EP I was much worse in this though with nice logic for jedi powers etc. There was no single surprise in EP I and most of the things were said several times.

  4. and then to the thing that annoys me most. Why the star wars universe is like ours but not quite. Apart from the romance the most annoying things were the straight translations from our worls.

  • I felt sick seeing the Senator (of the whole system) packing her Samsonite. How Star Wars is that?
  • the libarary doesn’t have bookshelves with books but lights that remind us books
  • the 50’s rock n roll cafe. Comoon how exotic and “a galaxy far far away” is that?

The strong point in 70’s of the SW was that it showed a wholy new world with its rules. Now they have our world but except that busses and cars fly, some bartender isn’t fat ugly man but fat ugly alien.
I am not sure if my point is getting through but there was no exotics in those things.

I think that there is some missconcept in the whole film world that people are not able to think and that they want to feel familiar with everything. That doesn’t leave too much left.

for sure still Lucas is pulling too many ropes. I think he must be good at something but his problem seems to be that he thinks that he is great at everything. I suppose EP I teached him something (it was such a bad film in so many ways)

And finally:

EP II had number of great designs and eye candy, it rolled on much better than epI. I just feel that it was made too much into high school concept.

And yes the acting sucked in the old ones (Luke: “Man, I’ll never get out of this place”, was one of the most ridiculous comments) But there was atmosphere. The darth vader is in my opinion still not easily macthed in authority.

heikki

#123

Y’know, I’m going to get publicly flogged for saying this, but I’ve liked each of the Star Wars prequels.

The thing that made me not like them was critical and jaded people constantly tearing the movies apart and exposing their flaws.

#124

So, basically, you´re blaming other people for teaching you why a bad movie was bad?

#125

Uhh…no. I’m perfectly aware of the movie’s faults. I went into the movie knowing full well what they would be. What I said is that I’m sick of hearing about them. I’ve studied writing and story structure (including Campbell’s Hero’s Journey) since I was a kid and I know a “bad story” when I see one. And let me tell you this, NONE of the Star Wars movies have had GREAT stories. Empire came close. But the point is that it’s popular to put down Star Wars and any who might have any sort of liking toward it. It’s funny how many people state they hate the movies just so they can take the popular stance in the argument. I’m simply tired of hearing about all of the movie’s faults. I realize everyone is free to express their opinion though…so I just figured I’d express mine.

#126

Originally posted by dragonfollower
Uhh…no. I’m perfectly aware of the movie’s faults. I went into the movie knowing full well what they would be. What I said is that I’m sick of hearing about them.

And yet your reading a topic entitled … what a bad movie and repeat repling here because?

I think in the literary world they call this a non sequitur.

#127

My question is this. How do people who hate SW or say its a bad movie know its a bad movie unless they in fact went to see it.

Movies I know that are bad I dont dare go see I know I wont like.

Second: I’m willing to bet those that disliked AOTC, some how by accident go see Esp III in 2005. Huh ?

this I bet:)

:beer:

#128

I’ve studied writing and story structure (including Campbell’s Hero’s Journey) since I was a kid and I know a “bad story” when I see one. And let me tell you this, NONE of the Star Wars movies have had GREAT stories. Empire came close.

I think Campbell would disagree with you - he himself used Star Wars as an example of a great story, using his monomyth theory… :shrug:

#129

My question is this. How do people who hate SW or say its a bad movie know its a bad movie unless they in fact went to see it.

I don´t know about the others, but I don´t “hate” Star Wars. In fact , I love Star Wars!

That´s why I´m so disapointed with those @*&@X# prequels!!:annoyed:

#130

Originally posted by macqdor
My question is this. How do people who hate SW or say its a bad movie know its a bad movie unless they in fact went to see it.

  1. I have yet to hear of someone who claims to have disliked AOTC who turns out didn´t even go see the wreck.

  2. About the popularity thing on bashing SW, I don´t know about the others, but personally, I started throwing tomatoes right the moment I left the theatre, when all my friends were still dazzled by the prettey-prettey SFX to acknowledge the disaster they had just witnessed (even caught a few Boos! that were rectified as soon as the said dazzling effect passed).

I don´t follow trends.

  1. I hear a lot of people comparing the prequels to the sequels and saying… “- But they´re the same exact thing”.
    Well, they weren´t!
    You see, ALL SW movies aren´t really that flabbergasting, in terms of story or acting (Mark Hammill is particularly Plan-9-From-Outer-Space-worthy).
    But!
    The first 3 DID however pack the entertaining bit that made so many people happy;
    Han Solo bashing on 3PO was memorable.
    Chewie using his…personality to win chess-like games was funny.

These… things we have now lost even that.
Obi-Wan is not funny, Qui-Gonis not funny.
C-3PO is TERRIBLY unfunny.
And Jar-Jar is… well, I´m sure, soon to become a new category in the dictionaries under “Things that can jumpstart a devastating outburst of pure rage”.

Like I said before, I´m not sure they even classify as movies per se.
They´re basically a HUGE ILM commercial showing the (admirable) company CG talent.
And that´s all.

#131
  1. I hear a lot of people comparing the prequels to the sequels and saying… “- But they´re the same exact thing”.

Well, they weren´t!

You see, ALL SW movies aren´t really that flabbergasting, in terms of story or acting (Mark Hammill is particularly Plan-9-From-Outer-Space-worthy).

But!

The first 3 DID however pack the entertaining bit that made so many people happy; Han Solo bashing on 3PO was memorable. Chewie using his…personality to win chess-like games was funny.

Yeah, dude…I guess you do have a point there. Too bad though. I personally wonder about Lucas…I mean, how’d he lose whatever talent he had? Despite what people say he DID write ANH. He had two other people punch up the dialogue between Han and Leia though. He also collaborated on the script on Empire and even more so on Jedi. So there was talent there. Maybe he just got greedy with these new ones and forgot that collaboration often yields better results than trying to juggle all the balls yourself.

#132

Originally posted by macqdor
[B]My question is this. How do people who hate SW or say its a bad movie know its a bad movie unless they in fact went to see it.

Movies I know that are bad I dont dare go see I know I wont like.

Second: I’m willing to bet those that disliked AOTC, some how by accident go see Esp III in 2005. Huh ?

this I bet:)

:beer: [/B]

Um, lets see… no. I went to see the first one and the second one, with no expectation on either, since I avoided the hype machine that is GL and co.

Judged it on its own meritus, and they both pretty much suckorz.

I see all movies, good or bad, cause, believe it or not, someone else’s BS opinion is not mine own.

And why wouldn’t we go to see the last one? AOTC does not equate to the third installment (6th installment). How does that follow? Just because his first two are turds may not mean the last will be. That is a pretty retarded question you posted.

#133

Originally posted by dragonfollower
Yeah, dude…I guess you do have a point there. Too bad though. I personally wonder about Lucas…I mean, how’d he lose whatever talent he had?

I wouldn’t even go there. Never had it never will. His talent is in after and now, before market sales.

He can sell sand to an arab, that is his skill. Making movies not, scripts not. ANH is not a great movie by far, the effects help it make it so, and that ain’t him, that is what is now known as ILM.

He has vision, but not filmmaking skills.

#134

no Amorano,

Not a stupid question at all. You know enuf about SW to know what to expect, just seems to me you’re just trying to justify your reason for seeing as u describe it “a bad move”

No one pays $7+ to see any movie they basically are not thrilled to see, unless they simply go in looking for faults and issues that make that movie un worthy of being seen.

u dont go in to see SW, u go in to critique Star Wars, thats a fact.

#135

Originally posted by macqdor

No one pays $7+ to see any movie they basically are not thrilled to see, unless they simply go in looking for faults and issues that make that movie un worthy of being seen.

Let me get this straight. Nobody buys a movie ticket unless they are going to like the movie they are about to see??? How does that work? So, if I bought the ticket it means I am required to love the movie, otherwise I’m one of those people that goes to movies simply to point out their flaws?

It’s quite simple really. When I go to a movie, I either like it or I don’t. If I like it, I say what I liked about it. If I don’t like it, I say what I don’t like about it. This is what people are doing in this thread. Believe it or not, there are people in the world who did not like AOTC, so the logical question would be, “why not?” However, when these people answer that question, they are then branded as Star Wars haters, or people who don’t go to a movie to have fun but to rip it to shreds, etc. Kind of unfair if you ask me.

#136

Originally posted by macqdor
[B]no Amorano,

Not a stupid question at all. You know enuf about SW to know what to expect, just seems to me you’re just trying to justify your reason for seeing as u describe it “a bad move”

No one pays $7+ to see any movie they basically are not thrilled to see, unless they simply go in looking for faults and issues that make that movie un worthy of being seen.

u dont go in to see SW, u go in to critique Star Wars, thats a fact. [/B]

Dude, you don’t know me, don’t tell me what I do when going to a movie. I go to get entertained, not critique. I buy DVD’s or VHS to critique.

I pay 4 bucks at muvico first off. I don’t know what I am getting when going to a SW movie matter of fact. If I did I wouldn’t even be posting here as the last two were no where close to the originals in terms of adventure or giving me a feeling of being part of something greater.

I never said it was a bad movie, that would be too good, so I have no clue where you got that. I call them turds.

And YES it is a stupid question. Asking us if we will go see the next installment even though we complain about it here, DUH. Its not about the next movie, its about the movies already made.

Of course, that ain’t gonna stop me from posting when it comes out and I feel that it turns into yet another pile of banta fodder.

#137

i dont say sw’s new ep’s are shit because it’s maybe “trendy”. and i also think it has a reason why lots of people say the new ep’s are shit. i wish i could say they are good… in fact the old sw-movies are 100times better, even without those cg animations & all that overrated crap. nothing against cg, i’m self part of this stuff. but i think the story & mood is still more important than just to show off what can be done with technology.
look at the lord of the rings movies, they are just fantastic, because the story, direction & actors are good, also the vfx, because they dont remind you every second that it was done digitally.
what i like about lotr-movies is that alot was shot in the nature. lucas would use bluescreens to avoid location-shootings, just to prove another time what can be done with technology. therefore his movies also look so terribly sterile and not as beautiful as real live-action or nature.