Speed on 10.5

#1

I was playing with 10.5[10] I noticed that the render is faster than 8 or 9. Nice! :> What took me 6 minutes is roughly 4.5. This is on a lowly 500 PC. I know-crap. Saving for a better one. But I like the fact that the render is getting better and faster.

#2

How’s the quality playing out with the latest versions?

#3

Much better. I think for you to get the best results I would go-bare mimunum-higher than the 5 setting in multi pass. Any lower and you still get the jaggies. But you go higher and the render really starts to shine. IMHO 10.5 really does compete well with C4D and LW. I have seen some pretty crappy stuff out of LW and C4d and some great stuf in AM. If teh artist knows the tools well itll look nice. Im happy with 10.5! :>

#4

So 10.5 is really that much better that 9? How’s the stability? I got so frustrated with 9 I pretty much swore off AM. I spent $99 on my upgrade and got ZERO use out of the thing. It kept crashing and everytime I put the CD in I thought my computer was going to go nuclear on me. I even bought a new drive and it did the same thing. From what I saw on the mailing list it was a common problem. Is anyone having that problem with the latest release? Just curious, if things are really getting that much better maybe I should upgrade again instead of switching apps.

#5

I say upgrade. Versions 9 was unusable and 9.5 wasn’t all that it should have been. But v10 is very stable and the cool things in v10.5alpha are fantastic. I don’t think you will be disappointed.

#6

I think, unfortunately, with Hash I’m going to remain at least one iteration behind their development. I want to wait until v10 is no longer being released with updates and see what it’s become before setting myself into it.

Heh, I’m still with 8.5p anyway.

#7

Gotta say, I’m really tempted. All this encouraging talk and those Jeff Lew Training DVD’s coming soon … But I just gotta know if anyone is having the CD spinning problem with the latest release.

#8

CD spinning problem?

#9

Yeah, whenever I put my version 9 CD in my computer it starts spinning wildly and vibrating my computer like mad. When I got on the mailing list last summer there were a fair number of people who experienced the same thing. Some claimed a new drive fixed it so I bought a new DVD-ROM drive and the disc did the same thing. Never had a problem with any other CD before or since. Just want to make sure I won’t have the same thing happen again if I upgrade.

#10

I have a measly Compaq and the CD spinning is no problem. After you launch AM take the CD out of the bay. It doesnt have to be in all the time. 10.5 is rockin’! You wont be upset if you get it.

#11

Unfortunately I think it’s just getting a noisy CD. My v9 disk was quiet (could it have been that I didn’t use it? :stuck_out_tongue: ) My v10 disk is noisy, but so are a number of other CD’s I have. I think you just get a fair share of slightly off-balance CD’s in you life…i could be wrong tho.

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#12

To get back to the issue of speed, v10 & 10.5 are faster partly because they use deep shadow maps. If you are using z-buffered shadows then that is where you get the advantage. I havn’t seen much speed improvement in v10.5 though it is only an alpha so perhaps that is to come. 16x multipass is what you need to get comparable AA to earlier versions. It has the advantage though that you get motion blurr, depth of field and accurate shadows plus the AA is more complete. However, rendertimes can be troublesome. I don’t know how to compare it with other apps for speed. Does anyone else have some good comparisons?

#13

Cinema4D leaves it in the dust especially when you have to render at 16x multipass in AM to get similar AA quality. I tried a 64 light skylight rig on a fairly average size model (<1000 patches) in AM 8.5 @ PAL resolution on my 2.0 ghz P4 and it came up with 12 hours as the render time, i didn’t bother. I still prefer AM though which i find more bizarre as time goes on.

#14

i meant 10.5 not 8.5 oops.

#15

Does anyone have any ideas about how the renderer could be sped up further? I expect that Hash have thier own ideas but perhaps if we showered them with tips then they would keep on working on it.

#16

Yeah, I’m sure Hash would just fall all over themselves with our brilliant ideas… :eek: :eek:

Lest we forget how this forum was founded. :beer:

#17

So that’s a no then?

#18

I just have always experienced the people at Hash to be very jealous hens when it comes to their “technology.” They change it as they see fit, you are a consumer.

By no means let me stop you from emailing them yourself with suggestions… rotsaruck. :thumbsup:

#19

Well, I am thinking of mailing them about some ideas but as I don’t have much expert knowledge about this, I thought that it would be good to get peoples heads together on this one. One thing to remember is that there are several ways the renderer can go. For instance, I have thought of a way to make the renderer adapt with each pass so that it doesn’t have to do so much work, however this would lead to a degredation in quality. Would people want this?

Also, there could be more options for ratraced shadows to have them increase the sample levels depending on how much they need it. But this would lead to a more complex interface.

Also, I am no expert on renderers. Maybe other people will be able to contribute to this and put in ideas. What is the point in me requesting things that won’t work? That would realy stop hash from listening. If we went to them with a whole load of ideas that were carefully worked out then maybe that would do something. After all, this forum HAS made a difference allready. Perhaps it could do more.

Sorry, that got a bit long winded.:hmm:

#20

Send in your ideas! never hurts. The quality is getting way better might as well as get the speed to! :>