Sketchbook Thread of Redehlert

#81

many thanks! practice is making things go faster…trying to make more time to fit these in.
the one thing that will be interesting is to put this to practice in figure drawing class when using different tools (and not a wacom/stylus). :slight_smile:
cheers!
d

#82

Well - I’m really looking forward to follow you on this - I’ve no immidiate urge to witness an autopsy in person so getting it this way will be perfect. I’ve got the stomach for reproductions even if I don’t have it for the real thing - so go ahead, show us some heart :slight_smile:

#83

Orig posted by brave Gunie: so go ahead, show us some heart :slight_smile:

shakes head ~ There’s no stopping the Dave now, Gunie…sighs :scream:

#84

Thanks! I hope to do you all proper with my studies. I can foresee some hurdles to jump through as you may surmise - those organs never look like they do in the illustrated anatomy books. This is where time and dedication in understanding anatomy will really come into play. I hope to be relying on my background for the most part, but also that of the lead pathologist in the lab.

Many thanks,
Dave

#85

Rebecca: On another note, as you know I’ve been working on improving my figure drawings and trying to loosen up and get gesture down a bit better. As you also know, I post my work on conceptart.org in my own sketchbook. There are two recent posts over there #354 and #355 to be exact from 2 friends (one local, one on the East coast). I would really like your input as to how I should proceed with my studies. I thought that doing the short studies would really help me with my speed but perhaps I need to slow down and do longer studies? They’re riding me, I tell ya. :slight_smile:

Here’s the direct link to the page the current discussion is on:
http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=41177&page=18

Many thanks,
Dave

#86

David,

Thanks for the direct link! :slight_smile:

I will definitely check that out later when I’m at home…TOTALLY spam me to remind me if I forget, as I am wont to do :smiley: though I try my best not to…but you should see the sticky reminders all over my computer, it’s my one manifestation of OCD…washes hands quickly I mean it’s one amongst many! :scream:

Looking forward to checkin’ out your work! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rk

#87

Thanks Rebecca,
It’s the same stuff (recent-wise) as is posted here, so it shouldn’t look any different, but seeing as how you are an aspiring instructor, I thought it’d be best to get your advice for how to proceed. Essentially, I’m not taking their criticism lightly but trying to see what they see in me and my ‘title’ versus me and my ‘skill sets’ that I’m working on. :surprised
Cheers!
Dave

#88

Ok, here is what I posted to your CA thread ~ some of it may not make sense outside of it’s context, but for the most part I think it’s clear. :slight_smile:

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Wow…I can feel the love from those last two posts, LMAO!

I'm speechless in the face of such brutal criticism...I know it's coming from the heart,though, and I know David appreciates it. You guys are tough toughies, though, damn! 

While I agree that you, Dave, are better at extended, detailed studies than at Gesture Drawing atm, you, brutal critiquers, must bear in mind that these most recent posts of Dave's were done in a strict 15 minute format. I think it's admirable to work on one's weaknesses ~ clearly you, Dave, can knock anyone's socks off with a detailed drawing or painting, but Gesture Drawing is by it's nature a different animal entirely ~ and while you were studiously studying real anatomy and learning how to create highly realistic renders, those of us in art school were laboring through learning how to do a more loose and gestural type of drawing and getting various bits of art supply goo in our hair (still trying to get rid of some of that, thank you!) 

Training is training, and it's tough to break out of. I admire you, Dave, for knowing yourself and your weaknesses and focusing on them. Ironically, when I started art school, I was more of a painter than a drawer~er, but I got my ass kicked so soundly in drawing that it drove me to get better. Now I can't paint, LOL. But you get what I mean. 

I do agree with your friends' points re: self~assessment about your talents, which are so many it's ridiculous...I think there's more of a mental barrier in place than an actual one, which I have had a hard time understanding...perhaps we should all perform a drawing intervention and force Dave to do 2 minute drawings, in purple pants, with that guy from SNL saying in the bkgrd, "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough...and doggone it, people like my Gesture Drawings!" 

Umm...did I mention I was as corny as Dave? 

At any rate...I'm unsure what to advise ~ learning something new eg a new approach such as Gesture is difficult. And it's not applicable to your, Dave's professional art, it's more applicable to your personal art. So it's tough, mentally, to find a balance and the requisite devotion to doing something which is frankly, only for fun in your, Dave's, case. 

Does this make any sense? I hope I have not further confused the issue here.
Let me just say that of course I highly believe in your talents and know that with time, Gesture will start to stick. It can take years to learn. I wouldn't worry about it. 

Cheers, ;)

~Rebeccak
#89

Dave,

Regarding your earlier question about how to proceed with your studies, I think that you should go with your gut feeling. I was talking to shyam about this same thing yesterday ~ and ultimately it’s up to the individual to know what is best in terms of study ‘methodology’. I don’t think there’s a right or a wrong way to do things, frankly. If you feel like you are getting something out of the 15 minute sketchathon (which it looks to me like you are) then stick with that, and ignore your friends. :wink: Or, if what they are saying makes sense, then go with what they say. Mix it up. You don’t have to only do one thing to the exclusion of everything else. That’s why it’s kind of nice to have the 15 MS as a tie in to the OFDWs. You can start something fast / non~committal, and if you decide you like it, transition it into a longer piece. I really like the 15 MS method because it gets you past the psychological hurdle which prevents a lot of us from starting in on something. That’s exactly how I approached my most recent OFDW 010 piece ~ I timed myself and started painting for 15 minutes. Then, once I had gotten going, I just proceeded to continue to paint.

You may feel inspired at some point to push your 15 MS pieces further and make them into more extended studies. Great! If not, you’ve gotten the gestural / fast practice which you really want. I totally understand the vagaries of time / interest / etc. and all of these things have to come together and the stars align for one to invest the time in an extended study (particularly when one’s profession is so demanding and so similar to one’s personal artistic pursuits).

The long and short of it is, be kind to yourself. Understand that things take time, and energy, and investment to develop. I’m not hyping myself at all, but it has taken years for me to get to the point where I feel comfortable in drawing in my own style. If I were asked to do the types of things you do professionally, that would take me years more of training and practice. There’s no race here ~ we’ll be learning for the rest of our lives. So enjoy it! :slight_smile:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

#90

Thanks Rebecca! I responded to both of your posts in CA.org. I’m going to add my SB url to my sigi so you have quick access when you feel the urge.
Cheers!
Dave

#91

Coolio. Just posted a reply. I’m starting to feel like I have multiple personalities. :curious: :eek: :smiley:

Cheers, :wink:

~Rk

#92

I have multiple personalities too! HAHAHA…

At any rate, I posted this in my CA.org SB and figured since this is ‘anatomy’ I’d decided to post a little bit of med illus work to give ya’ll an idea of what I do on a regular basis—within reason—I’m all over the place, and today it’s breast cancer removal. This image is the prep tone work before I create instances of tumor locations and surgical incision plus removal lines.
I think it will be fun to post the before of this particular shot because it is a paint over from a project I did over a year ago. My ability to ‘see’ has improved. If anyone is interested, I’ll post a side by side.
Here’s a left breast for you to ring in the New Year. :slight_smile:
By the way, Kraissl lines are the grey lines shown overlying the anatomy. Surgeons use these lines to determine the best incisions and underlying tissue removal to ensure a near invisible resection post operatively. :slight_smile: Too much info? HAHAHAA…deal.

Cheers!
Dave

#93

And here is how it will look at final. This will be a 4-part figure currently 5.3x5.8" but will need to be sized to 5x5" in the end. Label and vector details in Illustrator.

Cheers!
D

#94

Gah! I popped this puppy open in the ‘Business Center’ at my hotel just as someone was walking by, and I was assaulted mammarily! :scream: God knows what the cleaning staff thought I was up to…:rolleyes: :smiley: :scream:…but oh well, good thing they’ll never see me again! :scream:

Erm, Dave, would you be offended if I told you you had a nice rack? :scream:

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#95

hahahha…nice rack. excellent!
as you can see, i’m a mutant…all left breasts and one was just not enough. :slight_smile:
btw, the client loved this figure.
cheers!
d

#96

Them’s some nice curves! Beautiful, despite the whole cancer thing…

#97

um. yeah…been neglecting this child of mine.
some early work for the open figure drawing #12 (photoshop, 45 minutes or so):

and a more recent quick doodle, roughly 15 minutes (because i’m procrastinating the hell outta this):

did some more anatomy illustration overlay work at my day job:

something a bit more interesting:

and zoom:

a pencil study of a girl from a pose book i have - roughly 1.75 hour

and in my spare time (ho-ho!) i plan on rendering up this heart illustration i did for a project that never came to fruition roughly 5 months back.

so…there.
peace!
d

#98

Dave,

Great to see your updates! A hearty welcome back! :smiley: Why does Dave always bring out the cheesy in me? :curious: Not that it’s hard :smiley:

Looks like you’re loosening up in your med. illustrator work…is that CHOW influence I see creeping in? :smiley: Not a bad thing at all! I also really like seeing the figure study…quite nice! (Though her legs may need a bit of a shavin’!) :D…sorry…it’s the cheese…:smiley:

Great stuff! Keep it comin’!

Cheers, :slight_smile:

~Rebeccak

#99

yuk it up…
:wink:
ya know…my wife said the same thing with the legs - furry!
egad, i try to tone outside the lines and ya’ll think she’s in dire need of a shave. lol.
thanks for stoppin’ in and yes, rebecca, my creatures and weekly challenges are definitely affecting my work - textures and loosenin’ up a lot. color is starting to come a bit easier too.

peace!
d

#100

Very nice rendering of the salivary glands - and great idea to use a photo as backdrop. Looks a bit spooky but works well.

…taking notes… :thumbsup: