Should i get modo?

#34

Your a thrifty guy, looking for cheap rent, and such, it is all about the bucks baby!! :smiley:

Hey I just wanna find a cheap woman, if there is such a thing, I know, OT, but its fun :smiley:

MunCH

#35

I think you should retract that statement kurv . . .

This thread was not in the LW forum when I posted - 10 hours before your first post. :smiley:

#36

Oh, so you have a fair amount of experience with Modo then right?

#37

Madmax, did you not read my post earlier? I had a chance to use modo, get a feel for the workflow, blah blah blah, and it wasn’t that amazing. Okay? Not everyone who says Modo isn’t the best thing since sliced bread has a personal agenda. You may love modo, and it may be the best modeler FOR YOU, but it’s not gonna be the best for everyone. Why won’t you let anyone else have an opinion that’s different from yours?

Silo’s a fantastic modeler, and it’s cheap! I prefer it’s workflow to modo, so sue me. If Jedimaster wants to use modo, prefers the workflow, then by all means, buy it. You act like anyone not raving about modo is working for the competition. By your constant praises for modo I’d say you’re working for luxology. I’m not trying to get on your back about this or anything, I just think you should realize how you’re coming across. :slight_smile:

#38

Unless you are personally vouching for everyone who has replied, step off. You don’t know what you are talking about. Can I get any clearer than that?

#39

I was made aware of the thread from the CGTalk emails on the NewTek LightWave 3D forum… I clicked and replied. It had to originally be in the LW forum for me to have seen it via email.

No, Steve, I done think anyone has… it has only been out for a few months. I never said Modo was not a great tool. If anyone has an agenda here it is you. I really do not care what tools get chosen by artists. Someone posed a question and I have an opinion on the matter. It is not as if I came on the forum saying that Modo sucked and not to be looked at. I personally think that a true artist that’s good at what they do can use any modeler, and for 99 dollars, Silo is a great modeler.

So you don’t think so, who the hell cares!

Telling someone else to step off in a forum when they simply disagree with you is completely rude, childish and asinine.

If I were Luxology, I would ask you to stop pushing my product… you turn people off from using it more than help the situation.

#40

Guys, this has gotten a bit snippy. Here’s my take as a LW user, Maya user, Modo user and pretty experienced animator (over 10 years now, dude…I’m getting old…).

Buy Silo - seriously, it’s $100 bux, what do you have to lose? If you don’t like it you’re out a few nights hard drinking worth of $$ and you can still buy Modo.

Something to keep in mind though, if you really want to make an investment in your future don’t think of Modo as just a modeler - it’s a window to a whole new package. I’m sure Silo is a fine program but I don’t think the Silo guys are going to be releasing a world class DCC program in the next few months (or however long it takes Luxology). Once you know Modo (and it’s so easy, believe me) you will have a head start on what’s to come. It may not be the ‘be all end all’ of Modelers (or Renderers or whatever may come) but it’s pretty damn good and will be competing with the top 3 programs right out of the gate. Luxology has assembled a very impressive staff of programmers with a looooong history and proven track record in this industry.

Being around as long as I have it’s funny to me when people complain about the price. If you’re a pro. you will make it up on your first job, if you’re learning and are serious stop and think what people pay for a law degree or even just a B.A. or something similar. It’s an investment in your future, keep that in mind. If I had bought Caligari Truespace instead of LW way back when just to save a few bucks my professional life would have ended up much differently. Maya was $40,000 when it first came out and it was buggy as hell. I have an Indigo Extreme in my closet that cost more than a Corvette. Prices have come down so much it’s not really the limiting factor anymore.

But if you’re just a hobbyist and money is tight - get Silo (or just go drinking : ) )

later,

Greg

#41

right on greg, you guys need a chill pill, its only software…hey $600 for both modelling programs is pretty darned good, maya complete would have cost me 15k about 3 years ago so I’m just thankful I can afford this stuff without going into rediculous debt.

MunCH

#42

IMO Modo is a good evolution of modeler, joined with some good things coming out from Maya, and other apps.
this being said, i think its not very distant from Lw modeler once an user feds it up with good plugins so far.
it also depends the way an user works. for example working with box modelling technique, makes things easier in Lw too.

working with edges and n gons in Modo is very good indeed, and base toolset seems to be very solid and consistent but being the app very young, many things, coming also from a Lw approach, are still missing and i’d like to see em in other updates.

edge slice, is still a weak tool, if you work with subpatch and few polygons

fix simmetry can be found on several plugs for lw also, as well as tools to cut the mesh in several ways , like jigsaw, quicksaw, and band saw. I’d check zbrush smart resym, and resym tools. they’re great and you haven’t to select anything.

needed features for modo, added in 1.02 but i’d like to see some evolution there in new updates

the maya preset for panning and working on the UI works quite fine, but it changes selection way to work. a good solution could be to be able to have a mixed solution .
default modo selection system, and maya panning/zooming/rotating system.and things like that. make us able to customize the app, mixing things!

complete mouse customization is needed as well.

bridge tool: u can find something good in Lw toolset too.

paste tool u can find it for Lw too. good , but not new.

cad files, dwg import is needed

some lighting opitions could be of help. better if u plan doing some lighs using real world parameters for archi viz work, if not in modo in other products you’re cooking. inspiration could come by Max. or Viz as well.

bone/rigging possibilities to test organic modelling could be of great help.
not only bones, but shapes wich could be used as deformers

a better and consistent layer editor, working similarly to somethinhg
like photoshop and other 2D apps wich use layers would be really fine.
with multiple layers grouping ,renaming and numbering possibilities as well-and of course collapsing, duplicating, merging options.this way you’ll exploit all layers possibilities

other cool advanced things are needed.

instances - this is very good in the case u’ll make an animation app, as well arendering engine too. however can be really helpful even now, making us able to update models on the fly to reimport em on our rendering app. Lw or whatever.

construction history

topology brush, like Silo , the cheap one.

pre built text files, like it happens to be in Lw
can be really helpful.

a good idea is to take a great inspiration of toolset u find in other apps
, just like C4D for mesh cutting and reworking, or XSI . it has some good tools
for modelling as well.
analyze em attentively and if u find they speed up things add them but most
important, improve ease of use of these tools as well.

Since i know your goal is to give us easy and powerful tools, the best thing is to know
other apps toolset very well, and develop using them as a starting point.

This way, Modo will grow better and stronger in time as it deserves. these things being said, I think you’re great and be able to make Modo the best one out there in a couple updates. :slight_smile:

#43

hmm…yeah modo is a pretty nice Tool for modeling…but I would probably give you the advice to wait for more updates of the version…

modo has a very nice UI, and it is easy to customise and to find your way around…
and obviesly some nice tools that lightwave dont have.
However… I still think that Lightwave feels faster when working with subdivision surfaces
and theres of course a huge amount of plugins backing up Lightwave modeler.

Phamarus

#44

you got the wrong quote, the second quote was not posted by atomman.:smiley:

#45

I find it kind of funny that up until a few months ago some of you LW guys weren’t even using SIlo. Wonder what changed your minds…

I know I was using Silo as an alternative to modeling in LW since it shipped and I didn’t see any of you LW’ers around back then. So let me get this straight… It’s ok to use Silo over modeling in LW… nice cheap app, that’s great value, but has almost no UV or materials support, can’t do morph targets that are compatible with endomorphs, nor save to a native .lwo format? That’s just a bit suspicious if you ask me.

No digs on Silo intended because I think it is a rocking app, and I’d recommend it in a heartbeat if price is an issue. I know it has a good future too. But as a LW user Modo has been a dream come true. It improves on Modeler in every way and has become my primary modeling program. If Modo had some kind of bone support (preferably like Mirai) I’d be all set, because that’s pretty much the only reason I use modeler now (I don’t like using Layout’s bones, so skelegons are my only option).

My advice on this would be to NOT take the advice of anyone who has no experience with Modo. There are plenty of videos on the Lux site to base a solid decision from if you are an experienced modeler. All the tools and workflow features are illustrated nicely in short clear presentations. If you cannot make such a decision from that, then maybe modo isn’t for you and you should stick to a lower price range.

#46

Jedimaster: You have a complete features list, plenty of videos on the Lux website to show them in action… I was just wondering… what do you expect from people using Modo and people using another package?

Personally I guess, hope that people who bought Modo know why they chose it… on the other hand, people who haven’t really taken a close look at it may easily find any reasons why you shouldn’t buy it.
You could let this thread going on forever… you’ll end up having a lot of users telling you why you should or why you shouldn’t buy Modo.
At the end, it won’t really help you but get you more and more confused.

I definitely know why I bought Modo and I personaly hate people going [color=YellowGreen]‘bla bla bla Silo is great and cheap bla bla Modo is to expensive and not worth it blabla bla’ … I mean if you don’t like the software then don’t buy it!
That’s totally fair but why don’t you keep on using whatever you’ve been using and stop talking about something you don’t really know.
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The ripper.

#47

Modo is a young software so far, but i think it’s worth its price. and it will be worth even more as time passes.

when i talked about Modo and Lw in my comparison, that’s the current situation, in wich Modo takes advantage of being young over Lw modeler with several good things: modern structure, expanadability, good UI, n gons and edges, well tought selection system, and modelling toolset and so on.
and at the same time needs some of the great advantages that Lw modeler has with its plugs and that only a bit more time of development will bring for sure.

even if it’s not SO distant from Lw modeler now, it doesn’t mean it will be not very evolved as time passes.

so, if you have the money and like modelling go for it, because it will keep evolving and getting better in time for sure. also because that’s what we expect fom Lux guys.

also, SDK is not avaiable now. but when it will be avaiable, cool plugs for modo will start popping up. :slight_smile:

lw 8 so far is not so different from lw7.5 and you’ll be able to upgrade in the near future as well, if you need it for rendering and animation.

#48

well said nemoid

#49

You have a reading disability there Wes? I said step off unless he was personally vouching for others here. Not for disgreeing about Modo.

I find it interesting that certain people who have not used it have such strong anti Modo opinions. I also find it interesting that individuals who have had some very nasty things to say about Lux and Modo and the developers all seem to be associated with each other and all seem to spout the exact same mantra.

And then turn up in this thread.

random chance?

The original poster has a right to know that part of the responses here are not based on a desire to be helpful.

If you don’t like it, take it to pm or shut up.

#50

Steve, Yeah, I am a part of a growing national group of anti Modo users… were organized and have meetings and everything, watch out muu hahah ha ha ha.

My god man grow up.

Why don’t you Modo fanboys just tell someone to do the research and list the tools that Modo has that Silo or LW does not have then let them make an educated decision.

Gwot, I do not compare LW to Modo, I am still a LW user. But this thread is comparing modelers… not complete 3D packages like LW, Maya or Max.

TanJooLee, thanks edited the post so it is correct, thanks :slight_smile:

Bottom line, never said Modo is a bad tool, I am definitely watching Lux to see where it goes, but right now… IMO for 99 dollars if I were just looking for a modeler, I would pick Silo over Modo, LW, or XSI.

#51

Man this thread is useless, again…

He cant justfy it, so a choice is already made…, when he can justify it then he can buy it.

Talk about falling for the Troll thing :rolleyes:

Do I think he should get it yes er No, Er yes, er No, er maybe oh flip a coin , questioned answered, now go to ur own corners and do some work. :wink:

#52

Ditto.

I was trying to defend everyone who’s been saying modo isn’t the best thing in the world, and you (Madmax) trying to make it sound like their opinion doesn’t count. Maybe the reason they don’t own it is because it doesn’t suit their workflow? Whatever. I’m done.

Like I said earlier. Whatever floats your boat. If modo is the tool for you, go for it! I won’t be offended! It’s a great tool, just not the one for me personally. Just trying to give my point of view on the matter. :slight_smile:

edit

The original question was if he should buy modo, or upgrade lw. If you’re hesitant about modo, try out some other modelers like a few of us have recommended already. Silo, Zbrush, or Wings3d (which is free). Modo would probably work best with LW since it saves the models in the native LW formats, but I know a lot of LW users have been using Silo with no problems. Or you could just upgrade LW, lol. So many choices!

#53

You know it is kind of funny that I didn’t name anyone in particular, and yet a few people are getting bent out of shape by my comments. even funnier when certain people have to reply with nonsense like the post quoted above.

You know Wes, I wasn’t going to go beyond saying there was an agenda being acted out by a couple of people, but if you want to continue I will certainly go there.

I could always quoted some of the unprofessional personal attacks and inuendo that has been made against luxology staff on various mailing lists if you like that were clearly driven by a personal agenda. I guess the personal attacks your “buddy” has made on the mailing lists were intended as mature and sincere opinion right?

either way I realize you can’t speak for others on that, but it is odd that a certain recognizable “posse” has to pull the same routine everywhere they post.

Unfortunately for people who are truly interested in the question they asked, they have no way of telling posts made in bad faith from posts made honestly with an intent to help. Other than to resort to personal attack, what have you done?

Take your own adivce Wes and grow up yourself.