OK KidMesh and Madkarma…I have high props to you for being ambitous and taking a project that is of an amazing calliber. I was modelling for the team, and received some good pointers from Madkarma…BUT, this project was a little too ambitous in my opinion?
:shrug: [font="]The above comment makes absolutely no sense whatsoever; unfortunately when I'm done it will be obvious to some that you and most of the team that feels like you do were never on the same page as madkarma or myself.
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I mean, what do you expect - something from Pixar? AND, CGI takes a LONG time as everyone knows, and this project only lasted a few months I suppose if that long from what it seemed to me… This project could have happened, but without any deadlines (I never had any at all or saw or heard any) nothing was going to go anywhere, and well it really didnt seeing as how the project collapsed.
:rolleyes: [font="]Again, another example of being on the wrong page. And if you werent aware of any deadlines again you never read the private forums, which is the sign of someone that is not totally vested in the cause. (sigh) I really dont know why Im responding to this.
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Now KidMesh, with all respect - insulting other artists “skill level” is the same has you having no skill level at all.
[font="]Im going to assume that Im either misreading this or you dont know what the hell youre talking about. Maybe I will leave it alone but I know my modeling and animation skills arent coming into question here...you have no idea who I am or what I do, where is this even coming from. (sigh) Again...why am I even bothering.
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Yes, CGI is an ART, insulting someone’s modelling technique or of the like is completely unprofessional. To quote you KidMesh, “[color=DarkOrange]Even the people who lied to me saying that they had “X” skill and it proved that it looked like they just opened “X” 3D application for the first time, I still let it slide.” [/color]
[font="]Listen kid, It’s unfortunate that you dont even begin to come close to understanding the nature behind managing a project nor seemingly having the foresight to read simple text. Nowhere is it stated by me in any manner that some artist skill is being insulted. It is what it is, we attracted a lot of beginner level artist and I was cool with that. What I didnt like is being lied to as to gain a foot hold of entry to the project, yet again I let that slide. I for one am for growth of an individual in all aspects, lying is just something else. So as for that being unprofessional, it seems you may lack “real” world experience in the areas of resource assessment.
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-You know, more power to the people who did that! I commend them for trying to learn a program and perhaps get some help from some talented artists; accusing them of lying is just immature in my honest opinion.
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This was also a, let me emphasize this - NON PAYING project. YOU asked for help from everyone else, sorry it didnt go your way that quickly. And YES, it is YOUR project, if you want it to succeed, you will do more work probably 10 fold everyone else on the team, thats what a “leader” does.
At least you got part of that correct because I did do 10 fold and then some, but why you need to emphasis that this was a non-paying project is beyond comprehension at this point. Is there something you were trying to say here because really it got lost in translation for me?
To quote KidMesh one last time,
-“Then it dawned on me that this sh!t was crazy and defintely not worthy my valuable time.” Well, if its not worth your time, then its defintalely not going to be worth my time or anyone elses… There is no hard feelings meant in this, just stating my comments on KidMeshes letter that sounds very unproffesional in my opinion…Thanks
Let me see if we can get the context of that quote correct since you left out the why and what leading up to that comment.
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The truth about the whole project is in the private ICE forums, within those HTML walls are the written truths about what I have spoke of here. See, I could make that public so that everyone can see how many freakin times I had to plead with people to just do something and pleading with folks to at least show up to a scheduled meeting. Then it dawned on me that this sh!t was crazy and defintely not worthy my valuable time.
But its ok, it's obvious to me what is going here...I think. I mean there are just some people that feel like they need to circle the wagon if you know what I mean and by all means circle it. But honestly it useless because Im not in the wagon, yet I find it odd that someone who contributed basically nothing decided to come and attack me. As in life I have learned not to become too surprised by people or situations, thats why we live and learn.
As a professional courtesy I feel that I need to come clean, I didnt want to go here because I believe in keeping things in house (private). I also chose in the beginning to take the rap on the nose for the project and let the outside walk away with whatever perceived notion that they would. But it seems that the circling of the wagon will continue (sigh).
Some individuals that were involved on the team and some that were watching from the outside have hit on the same thing "[b]The scale and ambitious nature of this project[/b]". Yes from the outside it would seem like a daunting and high level task to achieve. Yes it would seem like we bite off more than we could chew. But I wanted to save not really the team but myself the embarrassment of what Im going to release now.
Project ICE was definitely growing into a "[b]monster[/b]" albeit a controlled one though. Madkarma and I grew this monster and we knew exactly what we were doing. Believe it or not it was more under control than one may want to believe. From the management side, communication, realized goals and over all professional eiquette was never an issue.
Yet the task at hand was two fold, herein lies the issue and cause of dismal on my part. The first task[b] (the embarrassing part)[/b] was to create a small "[b]proof of concept[/b]" demo. A quick under 2 minutes demonstration of the CG talent that the assembled team had, for the team it would serve as a guide post of the look and feel for the final film let alone an indicator of missing or lacking resources. On the management side Madkarma and I were preparing to pitch our contacts that we both have for funding. What isn't known is the business side that took up alot of time as well, getting the ground work in place that was needed to successfully pitch the project to the sources we were in contact with.
With the help of past clients and collagues Madkarma and I were able to line up potential investors. See the funny thing is, when you join a project you have no idea who the person is on the other side or who they know. My goal was to see if I could find some talent here along with good work ethics that we could send a NDA to in the near future. So all the proof of concept was was merely a undisclosed talent search. In hindsight this proably was the wrong approach because for me valuable time has been wasted already.
We purposely decided not to release this information because I myself wanted to see the true nature of the individuals involved. I didnt want to find out later the downside of their work ethics and habits after money has changed hands. As far as Madkaram and I was concerned, if you couldnt attend online meetings, post WIP shots of the stuff we assigned you and overall general interest then we had no desire to pursue that person professionally.
Now before you begin to jump to conclusions whatever they maybe just keep this in the back of your head. All I ever asked was that we complete a proof of concept, and all it consisted of was this:
[color=Lime][b] 1-char ( 3D )
1-weapon [/b][/color][color=Lime][b]( 3D )[/b][/color]
[color=Lime][b] 1-monster [/b][/color][color=Lime][b]( 3D )[/b][/color]
[color=Lime][b] 1-robot [/b][/color][color=Lime][b]( 3D )[/b][/color]
[color=Lime][b] 1-interior ( room ) [/b][/color][color=Lime][b]( 3D )[/b][/color]
[color=Lime][b] 1-extrior ( entrance ) [/b][/color][color=Lime][b]( 3D )[/b][/color]
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Now, that listed above was the so called “Ambitous Project” …what is embarrassing for me is that I couldnt get enough production from the people involved to pull that off. That was friggin it, I now that most of the people here could model that entire list in a few weeks by yourself or less if your that good. But that list took our team all of a few months? No, it took no time because it never happened.
Look, there wasnt shit being created modeling wise outside of what Madkarma created. Madkaram also started modeling because we lacked participation so we hoped that would spark some. Dont get me wrong we had a couple of modelers we were high on because they defintely had the skills but the maturity level just wasnt there. But for the most part we still had alot of beginner talent, I even express to Madkarma that we keet these guys on because it would be good experience for them and hopefully their skills would catch up. Anyway, my frustration drew from the time that was being wasted. Between Madkarma and I we could have modeled / animated and released the entire proof of concept ourselves but that wasnt the goal here. We were looking for talent to meet the needs required for the larger project once we set up funding but we didnt even come close to creating a proof of concept with this “public collab” attempt.
All in all it was just sad in a pathetic way to me, so to answer the questions that have been posted about starting it up again…I cant afford to waste more time. I tried it and it didnt work, I have interested parties on my end still waiting for a proof of concept, I cannot afford to burn bridges that I worked hard to build. At this point I am regrouping and buying a little more time, not to mention considering paying for talent in other areas to cement to CG the ideas I’ve pitched in script form.
No one has my script, all you have is an idea. If people want to continue with the “idea” I cant stop that and it’s fine. The artwork is there if the respecitive concept artist allow you to use it. I’ve lost almost six months and I really need to make that up…but for those of you that are interested in what will come of “Project ICE”…you have a web browser, use it from time to time. :twisted:
Oh before I forget....
What prompted this response was the fact that my insulting other artist came into question. Everyone starts at the beginning, some evolve faster than others while some just never truly get there at all. Im not a CG “god”, but Im not a beginner either. Although my expectations were for high level people I realized that I might end up with more beginner / intermediate talent. With that being said Madkarma should be able to vouch for the fact that I usually fought with him to keep people on the team that in reality I knew we should have cut anyway to acheive our goal.
So [/color][b]csc2h [/b]think before you speak and dont assume anything...you dont know me.
Cheers,
KidMesh
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But we just do it for the fun and try to learn something from the experience. Also, everyone on our time i think really likes to work with eachother, its for recreation, not work…
And I havent assumed anything.