Short Film Collaboration: Discussion and Concept development

#190

What tools are missing with CGTalk that would make a collaboration project like this easier?

#191

Great sketches dobermunk and bardakos! I love the toon look. Great style!

#192

In my opinion PMG needs to create its own forums like Zbrushcentral and Luxology’s forums to allow for such collaberation to take place as we can’t do it here on Ctalk. Its too hard. I think first and foremost what we need to do is simply our goals of the short (meaning we don’t have to have such a great story, just a simple one). The point of this is a short to boast interest in messiah. Messiah in its hay-day as a plugin for lightwave had a much greater user group then it ever did as a standalone package, we need to some how draw some of that interest back. Its obvious we have the conceptual talent, the technical talent and enough interest to do it.

With all of that in mind. Wouldn’t it be in PMG’s interest to keep the forum and this films progress in a PUBLIC location to GET the attention you are suggesting.

#193

Now look at this! I am three weeks away on vacation and you decide to turn over the messiah world. Next time wait till I am here!!! :twisted:

I have a little practically unused forum on one of my webservers. I could switch it to english and rename the forum categories (and maybe replace the banner with a messiah image). Tada! Finished is a preliminary forum. And if some people decide to donate a bit to the hosting costs, we could even use it as long term forum.

Check it out in its current form: http://www.softwaretraining4u.de/forum/

#194

I don’t think you’re too early - I had the same feeling right after that first bold post :wink:

What doesn’t work:

  • “Freedom” Let a bunch of VERY different people decide about everything and nothing gets done.
  • “Save the world” The world doesn’t care to be saved :wink:
  • “Selforganisation” Well, it works, but how long did the evolution take (outside the US I mean, where it was created by the “government” in 7 days)? :wink:

What works:

  • Someone presents a concept - and others add to that, but it is maintained by the initial poster. Bardakos did fantastic concepts IMO. I love that plane and the guy…
  • Someone does a basic model - and others can add detail or improve it.
  • Someone does a rig - and others are welcome to work on it further.
  • Someone does the basic render setup, then the individual scenes can be improved on that basis.
    …
    It is all about commitment of individuals and just start working - not everybody waiting for some “gods”. There are none. Just people learning and improving.

What also doesn’t get you anywhere is talking about technical stuff. What should that “other” forum do that CGtalk can’t? Why on earth should there be “private” areas in a community project? Why buy a new domain? Keep it simple stupid and open:

  • Set up a main thread here on CGtalk where the basics are discussed. Create additional ones when needed.
  • Use Email, IM, IRC, Phones, Smokerings, whatever to communicate.
  • Many people have a webserver anyway if larger files are to be transfered - but this isn’t terrabytes of data. Even with all the large AoN and TLHPro Docs and tons of big images I post here, my monthly traffic is quite moderate… And RAR etc. does a good job in compressing stuff…

It can be done. Just stay down to earth.

Cheers,

#195

And we are going to need thomas to keep sticking it to us!

Well I think this project isn’t moving because the person who suggested it isn’t running with it. Also I think we are all busy doing our own stuff or working to devote much time to this. I am still game to put effort towards it, but the person running this thread needs to start establishing things.

#196

Unfortunately socialism doesnt seem to work good in film projects :slight_smile:

Anarchy on the other hand could be more creative but by 99% will lead to a failure…

this thing needs a Dictator…

some may call him producer :slight_smile:

but i agree with that for the moment one thing to do is find a place,thread,mailing list …
then small steps and maybe result will come…

what will definately come is fun,experience,disorder
(mental and biological, 2 much coffe, lack of sleep )

It sounds much fun and letsgo for it…
i feel that with such a moto many stuff can be done…

when we have a proper way of ineracting then we should talk about details
the script the storyboard models shaders renders …etc etc etc…
…

jb

#197

Bardakos it was fun doing concept stuff with you. It doesn’t look like this will come to fruition anytime soon. Unless the person who suggested the idea gets things going in a simple way.

#198

And me!?!
I had fun too! Bardakos’ crazy planes, and your pics!

If anyone is interested in working on a film with more direction, I’ve got a few ideas I could post. And I’m sure you guys do too - so instead of saying “that was that” we could post a “director’s board” or “dictator’s board” if you prefer. Ideas are pitched and teams formed. Maybe reels, too.
Interest?

#199

Yeah, with all that positive energy it would be a pity to have the project end like that. :banghead:

It is true that such a project needs some firm creative director. Therefore I would suggest that anybody having an idea for a short film just posts its own “Dictator’s thread” where he can give the main direction, with others eventually joining in. It should be in the responsibility of the dictator to keep the project running. :deal:

I would be glad to offer my help in any kind of project.

#200

I’ll post a thread later.

@suricate: How did your cockroach film turn out?

David

#201

David, I guess you are referring to that post of mine. Well, that creature is supposed to be an alien, not a cockroach :). Unfortunately, I couldn’t yet come up with a convincing storyline, so at the moment that project is on hold.

#202

It was so much fun for me also :-)…I spend much time last year working like a dog on tons of boring commercials so it is so liberating doing such kind of work…
thus meaning that i am still interested i would like to see such ideas getting into flesh and bone…(even if it is a muscle bone)…

so lets warm it up again :slight_smile:

…

#203

@suricate: Storyline… mmmm. Well, if you want feedback on that, send a script, storyboard, animatic or whatever you’ve got. I’d happily give feedback.

@bardikos: bring it on!

@everyone:
Be warned: my sense of humor is… well, I’m trying. :wink:
Will post ideas tomorrow… hope others will too.

#204

Yeah - people taking over :thumbsup:
Revolution!!! :bounce:

Don’t wait for that tv-priest to lead you… :stuck_out_tongue:

I really liked the skydiver story and the drawings. Any modellers out there have some time to just dive in? I’m sure that plane bardakos drew would look wicked when done properly as well as his character…

Cheers!

#205

I posted a dictator thread. Hope I’m not alone.

If anyone would like a mesh to rig - I still have the cat that was supposed to come with the Autorig Quad release. And if anyone would like a mesh of a toonish character - or a realistic one - just shoot me a mail!

D.

#206

All dictators were alone :slight_smile:
(at least in the end)
but no worries the masses are here !

i will try to find some time and start some models of skydivers and the plane…

but first i think it would be best to finish a kind of model sheet for them …so
as far as i am concerned i 'll finish these first …

J.

#207

Bark:
Which SkyDiver did you want to use? Also I can probably do a very accurate perspective drawing of the plane with section views etc.

The only suggestion I felt it might need some adjustments we should give the character the most emotion possible in the face and hands. Also some nice costume design such that it takes the wind nicely.

I think any of our designs will work. Its question of chosing the right one from the job.

#208

Just to let everyone know. The project is not dead. Assignments are being setup here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=409072

And storyboard discussion here: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=409168

#209

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