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#21

I agree a Wiki “CGI Encyclopedia” would be a really good thing & it should be done. how easy was it for you guys to set up?

#22

Good morning Equinox,

I think your attitude towards what could have been an informative sticky, stinks.

I understand that you need to lay down some rules so the warez community doesn’t take advantage of those of us who buy and use the software legitimately but, as someone mentioned, you risk the chance of alienating genuine people who would like help and assistance.

Rather than BARK [sic] instructions at us like some army general on steroids, you could have worded it much better and appeal to people’s better nature instead of getting their backs up.

After reading your sticky I feel like you are no more than a petulant boy who’s just been made head of milk duty in an infant’s school.

Thank you for your time,

Neil

#23

lol Aaron rock on! :buttrock:

#24

Originally posted by dilithium
Good morning Equinox,

I think your attitude towards what could have been an informative sticky, stinks.

I understand that you need to lay down some rules so the warez community doesn’t take advantage of those of us who buy and use the software legitimately but, as someone mentioned, you risk the chance of alienating genuine people who would like help and assistance.

Rather than BARK [sic] instructions at us like some army general on steroids, you could have worded it much better and appeal to people’s better nature instead of getting their backs up.

After reading your sticky I feel like you are no more than a petulant boy who’s just been made head of milk duty in an infant’s school.

Thank you for your time,

Neil

[B]dilithium:

While we encourage constructive critism here at cgtalk, attacking a moderator or any member in such a manner is simply uncalled for. There is absolutely no need for such name calling, and I strongly suggest you remember that you are a guest here. Please read the forum rules before posting…

And I quote:

"Because CG Talk is a computer graphics related community, and in the interests of keeping potentially offensive topics away from the forum, the Administrators and Moderators of these forums do not tolerate posts that contain any of the following subjects or elements:

…- Any comments made with the sole intention of disruption or to cause distress to any individual(s)
Whether made metaphorically, or otherwise, any personal defamatory remarks directed at any individual(s) are unacceptable.

…- Crude, derogatory, inappropriate, or disrespectful remarks aimed at any individual(s)
Offensive or unnecessarily abrasive comments directed at any individual are not tolerated in any form. These include anything from personal vendettas to unnecessarily insulting comments directed at the work of any individual."

On top of what is stated in the official rules, you should know that Equinoxx is a fantastic moderator. One who is kind, helpful, skilled, and fair. He has posted these rules to keep this forum balanced and useful. I suggest you follow them, and offer him a personal apology.[/B]

-3DZ

#25

3DZealot, thanks for replying. However…

This: -

it WILL be removed

and this: -

THEY DO GET SHIPPED with your legal copy of max

and this: -

also, you WILL make a clear threadname.

does not constitute professionalism in my opinion. People give as good as they get. If someone shouts at me then they should expect to receive the same in return. There is no reason to raise your voice in what simply is a request to follow some simple rules.

"Could poster’s, please refrain from creating unspecific topics such as,‘Please help.’ " works much better than…you WILL make a clear threadname

Having never replied to such a text goes to show how angry this sticky made me feel.

I apologise, whole-heartedly, to you, Equinoxx for losing my temper.

However, I hope that the sticky is ammended to make the people who read the threads feel more welcome to post.

Yours sincerely,

Neil

#26

Neil, I am sorry if you feel offended by the initial post,
it was in no way meant to be me trying to force my will upon people.
rather then using uppercase, i should have used italic, since it was not meant as a shout but as an emphasize.

I will change them accordingly.

but indeed, calling me names was uncalled for since you have to understand that this sticky was fueled by numerous dumb questions and threadtitles that made no sense whatsoever. understand that we moderators are only human as well and even we have had enough from time to time. [also the reason for some of the rules being on the strong side rather then nuanced as they should be.

I accept your appoligies.

as said, i iwll go over the initial post again and change them to convey they same message but in a less agressive manner.

cheers,

Yves - equinoxx

#27

Well well well… wht we have here?! Finally someone gave the 1st step! :thumbsup: :applause: Good job!

#28

To Equinox and all of the moderators:

I may disagree with only one thing. I’m new here, this is my first post.
I understand that you try to keep this forums away from bogus and unnecessary posting, which is really good and healthy for the community, but I wouldn’t be so strict with the warez thing.
I use and illegal copy of all the best software in the world but that’s for one reason, being I don’t have thousands of US dollars to buy them.
I try not harm anybody, actually, If I had the money I’d buy the software. But let me ask you how me, an architecture student in Argentina without a job and in a university whose best thing is to provide only the best intellectual part of an education and not the technical one, that is computers loaded with high end software, can learn and keep up with students from rich countries like yours with the latest technologies???
What am I expect to do? Finish a 7 years long architecture career without using AutoCAD, 3DS MAX and Photoshop because I don’t have 15.000 USD to buy them, therefore ending up completely out of the job market because fellows like you have the latest technologies at school?
That’s not fair for anybody, and this happens in most of the third world countries where the intellectual potential is enourmous but the technology is somehow scarce.

So, sincerely, I don’t see a point for discriminating people for trying to get free software to learn how to use it, have fun with it at home with no commercial purposes, and use it to study.

Frankly, I think that you should try to see farther than Europe, North America, Japan and Australia, that’s only a third of the world. Don’t exclude people just because they don’t belong to rich and organized countries where they can get all the things that they wish. Humans are equally capable intelectually everywhere and it is quite obnoxious to try to get them out of the way only for not having the same access to technology or material content.

Sincerely
Nicolas

#29

Originally posted by nico3d
[B]To Equinox and all of the moderators:

I may disagree with only one thing. I’m new here, this is my first post.
I understand that you try to keep this forums away from bogus and unnecessary posting, which is really good and healthy for the community, but I wouldn’t be so strict with the warez thing.
I use and illegal copy of all the best software in the world but that’s for one reason, being I don’t have thousands of US dollars to buy them.
I try not harm anybody, actually, If I had the money I’d buy the software. But let me ask you how me, an architecture student in Argentina without a job and in a university whose best thing is to provide only the best intellectual part of an education and not the technical one, that is computers loaded with high end software, can learn and keep up with students from rich countries like yours with the latest technologies???
What am I expect to do? Finish a 7 years long architecture career without using AutoCAD, 3DS MAX and Photoshop because I don’t have 15.000 USD to buy them, therefore ending up completely out of the job market because fellows like you have the latest technologies at school?
That’s not fair for anybody, and this happens in most of the third world countries where the intellectual potential is enourmous but the technology is somehow scarce.

So, sincerely, I don’t see a point for discriminating people for trying to get free software to learn how to use it, have fun with it at home with no commercial purposes, and use it to study.

Frankly, I think that you should try to see farther than Europe, North America, Japan and Australia, that’s only a third of the world. Don’t exclude people just because they don’t belong to rich and organized countries where they can get all the things that they wish. Humans are equally capable intelectually everywhere and it is quite obnoxious to try to get them out of the way only for not having the same access to technology or material content.

Sincerely
Nicolas [/B]

If they let people freely discuss warez they could possibly open themselves to legal action from software publishers.

#30

nico3d:

I do agree with you that the world is big, and not everione has the same oportunities, but that’s not an excuse, atleas not animore:

Have you heard about open source software? Just go and use Blender, wings 3d, aqsis, etd…
If the 2/3 of the worl you are talking about suported open source solutions, they would soon be as good or better than commercial ones.
Don’t you see that by using warez you are actualy making the situation worst? If everione in Argentina uses for example warez Max/Maya and if 3000$ is that mutch of money, then only very few wil have the oportunity to Buy-it and build a decent business… So no decent businesses=no Indutry= no jobs…
Why don’t you start with free or low cost solutions? Victor Navone learned 3d with 300$ Hash AM and got a job at Pixar.
A guy with tallent could do the same with Blender…
Finaly, I completely agree with the initial post, plus Warez Kidies that aks those kind of questions wont be doing 3d for more than one week. Once they understand it’s hard to learn they quit.

#31

I totally agree with you mazer ! you are absolutely right with the open source, that’s the way it should be. But it is not that easy. So far, open source solutions for 3d Animation or CAD systems are still a bit basic.
And file format compatibility makes things worse. If your whole context uses AutoCAD then, it is very hard for you to use another solution since, specifically in architecture you work always in groups and every CAD system although they have import/export capabilities the results of these operations aren’t always happy ones.

But definitely, if it was for me, I’d use only open source or if possible I’d buy the software to support the people who make it possible.
In any case I agree with you a 100% that a person with talent can do magic out of nowhere !

And if kidies just drop the pirate software a week after they downloaded it because the realize about the complexity, then no one should worry about them, they won’t harm software programmers.

#32

People,

Calm Down!

I use and illegal copy of all the best software in the world but that’s for one reason, being I don’t have thousands of US dollars to buy them.

Ok Discreet, Alias/wavefront and softimage all offer educational versions of there package. Max is when i last looked around 600 dollars. Maya (educational) is free from there site and so is XSI.

OK using/talking about illegal copies is bad firstly as Mazer points out damages this forum as a whole and may cause legal problems.

Ok buying original copies of software gives 1 key function to the user. It allows your work to be commercial, to sell, to go to festivals etc etc. This is why if i want to sell my work i can.

Using illegal software allows basically anyone to make commercial stuff. So the makers get no return. Discreet has to make money to keep progressing the software, adding updates, patches. By using illegal stuff your hindering there progression.

Also people cgtalk is a respected forum, please be weary of that. Dont go shouting off! this isnt “fat babies” or the like. Moderators you all do an exellent job, keep it up.

eek

#33

Eek, I totally agree with you, I, as you, want to support software developers to help them make their products better.

The problem is not that, but it’s ok, my wish is to someday to be able to buy the software legally…
I’m sorry to say but you don’t have any idea of what is to get 600 USD (to buy only educational software) in third world countries. But don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we all live in cardboard boxes, but USD’s or Euros are out of hand to many of us.
But I’m sure you won’t never understand that unless you live it by yourself and you see it buy yourself.

Anyway, my quest here is not to support warez or piracy at all, neither it is to annoy the strict moderators. I’m just saying that there shouldn’t be discrimination in some cases regarding people who for some reason need to temporarily make use of pirate software just to try to be at the same level and have the same opportunities as people who come out of very expensive universities which include all the high end equipment required to do this.
If there are punks out there who just try to get it free to hand around or do illegal bussiness with it…well, I guess the moderators should be in charge of judging who is fu…around or not. THat’s what they are for. Further, the country’s law should punish them, not even a forum moderator. They won’t stop piracy by preventing people to mention something about warez. That’s pretty silly.

#34

mmm. so what you are saying nico3d is that all or at least some of those so called -warez-kiddies (or warez users and i saw someone mention the word AIDS and MAX-forums in one sentence), could in fact be people using educational versions?

Some of the legal guys seem to be quite full of themselfs! i still do agree with the original post, but don’t judge to fast…remember: Be courteous and polite. Show respect to the opinions and feelings of others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right.

greetz,

michelengeltje

ps. maybe it’s possible that the screening of newbie posts only applies to a new thread not for a reply to an existing threat?!

#35

no replies, no comments?!

when did that screening-could that up to 12 hours-of replies kick in?

It is pissing me off! It takes 12 hours or less of course to reply to a thread but I still see a huge amount of bs posts all over the place!

please explain and i’d love some comments on my previous post!

ps. when i’m about to press submit reply i am already looking forward to the message saying, it could and problably will take 12 hours to screen your useless and a-proffesional reply!

michelengeltje

#36

michel, my last post here was on August 2003, don’t expect me to remember all the things I wrote before that…
I think that so far I had made clear my point. There’s a lot of hipocrisy in all this piracy stuff. The one who denies that companies don’t need piracy is really really naive. Indirectly companies support piracy, they need it, and they are wise enough to let it happen at the personal or hobby or learning level. And of course they will never admit that in public !!! although many did.

I don’t support piracy at all.

and I don’t know why you mentioned this…

“remember: Be courteous and polite. Show respect to the opinions and feelings of others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right.”

Maybe you said this to me and the only thing I have to say is that
I’ve been extremely careful and polite and I made my point in a completely correct way. Saying things that people don’t want to hear, and specially TABOO stuff like warez and piracy and all those sensitive topics may bother some people but they should respect and hear my point as I respect theirs.

I think this forum is AWESOME cos it’s the more profesional one, and an amazing well of knowdlege but I have the feeling of it as already a traditional institution.
This is like the Church, you can’t talk about porn in church.
Same here, piracy is always seen as satan, as an act of shamless sinners and I strongly reject that. Hipocrisy makes me sick.

Anyway, I suggest you read all of the things I posted here during las year and check where’s any lack of respect towards other people’s opinion.

cheers

:beer: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

#37

Sorry nico3d, i don’t think i made myself very clear! :blush:
I was just glad you mentioned the posibility that people on this forum could be using educational versions! And could might have been a reason there not up to the high standard as some of the others :bowdown:

The part about people being disrespectfull was completely not directed at you! I’ve read all your posts (in this thread) and i agree with you on most maybe even everything you say! :thumbsup:

Michelengeltje

ps. the “remember: Be courteous and polite. Show respect to the opinions and feelings of others. Use of the forums is a privilege, not a right.” part was more directed at people using AIDS and 3ds MAX forums in one sentence.

#38

:thumbsup: cool Michel !!! :bounce:

#39

Just one question, If you post a “unacepted” thred, will you get informed that it have’nt been acepted (I mean, so that you can write a new one insted off sitting here waitng for it to pop up)?
'couse I feel that I might have written such a thing…:cry: :cry:
SOOOORRYY!!
It was before I red this thred. And (as you might notice) I’m a nooob.
If my thred is unwanted, I’m going to rewrite it, 'couse it was’nt my mening to write it a way that you veterans find frustrating. :cry:

#40

There!
I posted the new one. Thanks for the “How to write a thred”. I do understand that some “nooby” threds can be iritating.
Thanks for helping us noobs write better ones!:thumbsup: